Far-right and anti-racism protesters scuffle in London

[Krataiboy]

3 hours ago, samran said:

Answered as I expected as outlined below. 

And with an illustration to boot. 

 

You have clearly swallowed too much left-wing media kool aid.  

 

The vast majority of British people who object to the desecration of our history are neither racists nor religious bigots. 

 

Anyone who suggests otherwise will simply aid and abet hands those who seek to further divide a society already riven over Brexit and government's handling of the COVID pandemic.

 

Not very bright, Brian.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Krataiboy

[Krataiboy]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Last time the guy was convicted under Section 7 of the terrorism Act, for you to keep arguing otherwise is nonsensical. I don't concur with their tactics but Antifa are in fact anti-fascist - talk about Orwellian speak - LOL

Anti-fascists who use fascist tactics. I agree that is Orwellian, but it also reality.

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

I wouldn't take too much notice of the BBC, they are hardly neutral in their reporting now are they, they are living on borrowed time, our citizens have had enough of their propaganda and biased reporting. 

Here is a quote from a veteran, maybe it won't mean a lot to you, but for those of us who do care about our country it will mean a lot.

"Well I stood at the Aberdeen Memorial today and I don't give a sh*t what I am branded, I am a veteran protecting our memorial from vandalism, I have been called a racist, a white supremisist and a far right thug for doing so"

These are the decent citizens of our country, not the privileged middle class wanabee Marxists who hate our way of life and our country because they have been conditioned to believe in a left wing idealism.

Vogie, don't pull the patriot card with me. I love Old Blighty as much as the next Brit, and if we met we would probably get on fine. I know how much we, the UK as a nation, owe Winston Churchill for our freedom.

I remember his funeral in 65, it was raining, appropriately, if I recall rightly.

And all the heroes from WW2, those who lost their lives so we, the privileged, could enjoy an unprecedented era of peace and freedom. We didn't even have to go to Vietnam, Harold Wilson had more sense.

We will never forget, going back to WW1 and its senseless imperial slaughter of Western youth, both in the UK and Europe.

I don't agree with the unlawful toppling of the statues but in my opinion we  should acknowledge the exploitation the expansion of our empire caused to  various indigenous people.

It's not weakness, rather it's strength, acknowledging one's faults.

History is written by the victor, as a kid, all my school books were crammed with the glories of us, the winners.

Captain Hurricane and Batman Malone taking on the entire Japanese army.

We, the UK, should admit the wrongdoings of our past and move on.

 

 

 

 

 

[kingdong]

33 minutes ago, bannork said:

Vogie, don't pull the patriot card with me. I love Old Blighty as much as the next Brit, and if we met we would probably get on fine. I know how much we, the UK as a nation, owe Winston Churchill for our freedom.

I remember his funeral in 65, it was raining, appropriately, if I recall rightly.

And all the heroes from WW2, those who lost their lives so we, the privileged, could enjoy an unprecedented era of peace and freedom. We didn't even have to go to Vietnam, Harold Wilson had more sense.

We will never forget, going back to WW1 and its senseless imperial slaughter of Western youth, both in the UK and Europe.

I don't agree with the unlawful toppling of the statues but in my opinion we  should acknowledge the exploitation the expansion of our empire caused to  various indigenous people.

It's not weakness, rather it's strength, acknowledging one's faults.

History is written by the victor, as a kid, all my school books were crammed with the glories of us, the winners.

Captain Hurricane and Batman Malone taking on the entire Japanese army.

We, the UK, should admit the wrongdoings of our past and move on.

 

 

 

 

 

We overlooked the mistakes of our past when we gave back "our empire" and granted them independence and helped set up elections,and have givenfinancial, aid the majority of which got stolen,now paradoxically we have economic migrants trying to get into Britain from these ex members of our empire.how long must Britain be emotionally blackmailed over our past?

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I expect the police will process him to the book and let the courts deal with him.

 

 

But they might take a very detailed look at his online activities, and members of far right groups do have a surprisingly high proclivity to engage in what is widely recognized as the most abhorrent of crimes.

 

 

And the police do tend to use a surprisingly high proclivity of activity about right wing groups,deflection perhaps?

[torturedsole]

57 minutes ago, bannork said:

We, the UK, should admit the wrongdoings of our past and move on.

What utter guff.  Maybe Boris can appear on a section of Ant & Dec and issue a grovelling apology for the past.  Ridiculous, isn't it?

 

Would that appease the left?  Erm, no.  

[honcho]

16 hours ago, checkered flag said:

The headline is very misleading and judgmental. Far right is OK but anti racist is actually very racist. I suspect mostly are far left anti-fa mobs bent on anarchy. The average law abiding black person is left out.

anti racist is very racist??? very orwellian  are you from generation woke?

[Odysseus123]

10 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Did he have any involvement with those camps at all ?

He was a low ranking soldier in the S.A army at the time 

There wasn't any South African Army at the time and Churchill was actually a reporter on furlough from his regiment-he took a lot of leave whilst serving in the British Army.

 

"Concentration" camps-"Reconcentrados"-were instituted by General Valeriano Weyler in Cuba prior to the 2nd Boer war.

 

Churchill reported on Cuba too..

Edited June 14, 2020 by Odysseus123

[OZinPattaya]

2 hours ago, torturedsole said:

What utter guff.  Maybe Boris can appear on a section of Ant & Dec and issue a grovelling apology for the past.  Ridiculous, isn't it?

 

Would that appease the left?  Erm, no.  

Tear the garments off your back and mercilessly flagellate yourself for the sins of your forebears, and it still won't make a difference. Not even a little. So all you blokes out there that subscribe to hereditary sin, be my guest and we'll see where that gets you.

[OZinPattaya]

One thing as a Yank I have noticed in this largely British TVF forum is that British people seem to be a lot more sensitive to the defacement of their own cherished monuments than they are to their American counterparts, which it seems they could care <deleted>-all about. Lots of moaning here about defaced Brit symbology. Not too much previously when the same thing was happening in the States. And then spread across the pond.

[Stargeezr]

What most people forget is that in the past politically correct thinking was not around.

  The world was not all open and tolerant and racism did exist likely all over the world

in the past. Maybe wars caused some of the bad thoughts and feelings. Maybe the 

lack of understanding some other cultures caused some feelings and thoughts.

  I would like to think that without people like explorers or strong minded people

the world would not be as it is today.  It would be nice if the new generation

would actually talk to their grand parents and old relatives and see how they and their

friends used to think.  It will not be the same as the new relaxed and so tolerant

modern people.  Just saying. Do not wreck all the old statues,  okay!

Geezer

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Stargrazer9889
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[simple1]

7 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Anti-fascists who use fascist tactics. I agree that is Orwellian, but it also reality.

Other than a relatively small amount of street fighting, what other fascist tactics do Antifa utilise?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

One takes a leak next to a memorial for a fallen policeman,

I wish you guys would make up your minds. The entire chaos and hooliganism was caused by, in the opinion of the vandals protestors, the cops and therefore all cops bad, but some on here seem to be saying cops are heroes not to be urinated on ( and it was only a plaque, not the actual resting place of said cop ).

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

We, the UK, should admit the wrongdoings of our past and move on.

I, for one, would like the descendants of Og, the caveman and his tribe that killed my ancestor Ug and enslaved his wife to aplogise for being descended from very bad people. I feel very badly about the mistreatment that my female ancestor Ag had as a slave under Og and all his politically incorrect tribespeople.

Edited June 14, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[rosst]

19 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Less than 10 years ago, certain media outlets still had the freedom to state cold, hard facts. These days, forget it. Shame nobody acted to save the country while we still had a chance. Integrate or go home. Nowadays you are a racist if you do not want to see the wholesale destruction of arguably the most tolerant and democratic society on earth. Tragic.

 

"In truth, the vast, unceasing influx of foreigners over recent years has done colossal damage to Britain. Our social cohesion has been undermined, our civic infrastructure overloaded, our sense of national identity eroded and our standard of living reduced."

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/417307/Mass-immigration-is-destroying-the-fabric-of-society

Enoch Powell would be laughing his head off:

See, I told you so

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

The world was not all open and tolerant and racism did exist likely all over the world

in the past.

Not just in the past. The world is STILL not tolerant ( just look at why they are killing each other in Sth Sudan ) and racism still exists, except the racism I suffer from is not from white people.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts making personal comments on other members and the replies have been removed. 

 

Some troll posts were removed. 

[Mama Noodle]

22 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Far-right and anti-racism protesters scuffle in London

 

Gotta love that headline spin. 

 

These people who write headlines like this will never give anyone on the right a fair shake. 

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Gotta love that headline spin. 

 

These people who write headlines like this will never give anyone on the right a fair shake. 

 

Peter Hitchens "The Tories are in office but not in power" every institution has been hollowed out by the Left from Education to the Police to Civil Service Everything. Let that sink in...

[samran]

5 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

One thing as a Yank I have noticed in this largely British TVF forum is that British people seem to be a lot more sensitive to the defacement of their own cherished monuments than they are to their American counterparts, which it seems they could care <deleted>-all about. Lots of moaning here about defaced Brit symbology. Not too much previously when the same thing was happening in the States. And then spread across the pond.

Well it wouldn’t surprise you that those who are moaning about the statues tend to live in the past dreaming of empire and are still troubled by the fact women were ever given the vote.

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, samran said:

Well it wouldn’t surprise you that those who are moaning about the statues tend to live in the past dreaming of empire and are still troubled by the fact women were ever given the vote.

 

I think people are just proud of their country and its history even if some of the figures have a checkered past by todays standards. 

 

It really isnt much more complicated than that. 

 

History is FULL of tyrants and maniacs that remove statues, literature, figures etc and rarely is it ever a good thing. 

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

I think people are just proud of their country and its history even if some of the figures have a checkered past by today's standards. 

Black plague was part of history but you don't see statues of rats glorifying it.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, J Town said:

Black plague was part of history but you don't see statues of rats glorifying it.

 

Show me a statue that is 'glorifying' slavery. 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Show me a statue that is 'glorifying' slavery. 

You don't get it. Thankfully the old guard wearing the blinders of the confederate flag are on their way out.

[JonnyF]

19 hours ago, Sujo said:

Disgraceful to see losers doing the nazi salute. They should not have even been there,period. They are not the police.

yeah, god damn those Nazis. They're everywhere. Even some left handed ones.

 

[bert bloggs]

11 hours ago, Sujo said:

I believe you are foreigner in thailand no matter how much you dress it up.

AND? we take nothing ,we dont try to change everything ,we dont riot ,,oh whats the use ,people like you always wont the last word,

[Nigel Garvie]

50 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I think people are just proud of their country and its history even if some of the figures have a checkered past by todays standards. 

 

I think a checkered past by any standards would be more accurate. Realistically the world is full of war hero memorials, when the hero had feet of clay. The Mongolians have statues to Ghengis Khan, not famous for treating those he conquered according to the rules of the Geneva Convention. The worst offenders should be in history books, not on statues. Some statues should be removed, but the problem is where do you stop? Do you have a standard "Goodness" measurement for different periods of history, or do we leave it up to a youth inflamed by indignation at injustice.

 

Indeed I also am proud of my country (Scotland not Britain). I am not proud of it's history as a whole, which is mixed, like that of all nations. Some parts are good and some better forgotten. History is history - being proud of it (As a whole rather than particular events) seems to me a bit silly. 

 

The entire colonial period which involved most of Europe, was basically about exploitation, by well armed people of less "Developed" ones. If you are against looting you'll hate the British Museum. Even within the perspective of man's never ending injustice to man, this still stands out as a shameful time. 

 

44 minutes ago, J Town said:

Black plague was part of history but you don't see statues of rats glorifying it.

Brilliant!

 

Black lives do matter, there should be equality of treatment, and of opportunity, for all people, which includes all races. The world may be on the path to a big change. The Hegemony of old, largely white, males should be destroyed. (If you have a brain you will recognise that this is not being racist, just acknowledging who rules the roost).

Edited June 15, 2020 by Nigel Garvie

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I think a checkered past by any standards would be more accurate.

 

But that would be an inaccurate standard. Slavery was practiced by just about every single society throughout history at some point and it still goes on today, but by todays standards it is appalling and wrong, whereas 200-300 years ago and beyond was considered normal for whoever was the victor or the most powerful. It just was, denying it is denying history. 

And as wrong as that may be, that does not mean that a man 200-300 years ago who had slaves (normal at the time) and did 10,000 things that were good, should be de-personed and erased. It should stay and be a reminder if what once was, not erased and forgotten. 

 

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Black lives do matter, there should be equality treatment and of opportunity for all people, which includes all races.

 

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The Hegemony of old, largely white, males should be destroyed.

 

????

[CorpusChristie]

21 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

There's one our great British patriots defending our nation's honour. Makes you proud, eh?

 

Turns out he was participating in the Black lives matter protest and wasnt a "patriot" , he was a Ant Teether  , you shouldnt stereotype people going on their looks

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Turns out he was participating in the Black lives matter protest and wasnt a "patriot" , he was a Ant Teether  , you shouldnt stereotype people going on their looks

Evidence for that?