WMO seeks to verify "worrying" reports of Arctic heat record

[snoop1130]

WMO seeks to verify "worrying" reports of Arctic heat record

 

FILE PHOTO: People walk along Orne Harbour, Antarctica, February 6, 2020. Picture taken February 6, 2020. Reuters/Ueslei Marcelino

 

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said on Tuesday it was seeking to confirm reports of a record temperature reading of more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit in Siberia, saying they were "worrying" but appeared to be consistent with warming trends.

 

The WMO has asked Russian authorities to confirm the reading of 38 degrees Celsius (100.4 Fahrenheit) reported in the Russian town of Verkhoyansk, north of the Arctic Circle, on June 21.

 

"We've seen satellite images this morning and it's just one mass of red. It's striking and worrying," WMO spokeswoman Clare Nullis told a Geneva briefing.

 

The Arctic is warming at twice the speed of the global average and this year an unusually hot Siberian spring has melted ground snow and broken up river ice early.

 

Professor Randall Cerveny, WMO Rapporteur on Weather and Climate Extremes, said that a team had "given tentative acceptance of this observation as a legitimate observation", which he said was consistent with other regional data.

 

Siberia has experienced "exceptional heat" in recent weeks, the WMO added.

 

The Geneva-based U.N. agency expects to hear back from Russia's meteorological agency within days and will then start its own verification process to check whether the reading, which is more typical of the tropics, is an all-time record.

 

In February, the WMO said a research base in the Antarctic had recorded the hottest temperature ever for that continent.

 

"Month after month we are surprised, concerned by temperature readings that we see," Nullis said.

 

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[Dumbastheycome]

Denying the reality by burying it into the argument of  cause does  nothing to alter the reality.

Sad  factor is that those perpetuating the denial will die of old age before they  need witness or cope with a  very altered world. Such selfish apes  we have become.

 

[tifino]

 the WHO deviates, by showing an Antarctic photo  

 - or are they ignoring 'mountains' of evidence that the Arctic is really a frozen ocean?

[johnpetersen]

9 minutes ago, tifino said:

 the WHO deviates, by showing an Antarctic photo  

 - or are they ignoring 'mountains' of evidence that the Arctic is really a frozen ocean?

You can blame WHO for a lot of things, but not this. For that matter, you may be able to blame the WMO for lots of things but not this. This one is on Reuters.

[johnpetersen]

Just now, Dumbastheycome said:

Denying the reality by burying it into the argument of  cause does  nothing to alter the reality.

Sad  factor is that those perpetuating the denial will die of old age before they  need witness or cope with a  very altered world. Such selfish apes  we have become.

 

Actually, according to updated research, it's arriving ahead of schedule. So maybe we'll be lucky and get to witness it.

[tifino]

better be quick! - it'll be here by Thawsday 

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, tifino said:

 the WHO deviates, by showing an Antarctic photo  

 - or are they ignoring 'mountains' of evidence that the Arctic is really a frozen ocean?

The Arctic Ocean is only one part of the Arctic.

 

The Arctic also contains large landmasses.

 

And it's the WMO not the WHO.

 

 

[DoctorG]

and it is unusually cold in Brisbane at the moment

[Trentham]

27 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

and it is unusually cold in Brisbane at the moment

In case you are offering this snippet to counter the global warming argument, you should understand that increasing the Earth's atmospheric temperature causes more severe air movement. This effect can bring cold air up from the antarctic to warm areas to create record cool temperatures. Likewise in the arctic. It is the average global temperature that is important to watch and that is definitely rising.

[Cryingdick]

10 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

You can blame WHO for a lot of things, but not this. For that matter, you may be able to blame the WMO for lots of things but not this. This one is on Reuters.

 

Indeed it is on Reuters. Literally every story they produce is baiting and inaccurate. It's becoming embarrassing.

[johnpetersen]

1 minute ago, Trentham said:

In case you are offering this snippet to counter the global warming argument, you should understand that increasing the Earth's atmospheric temperature causes more severe air movement. This effect can bring cold air up from the antarctic to warm areas to create record cool temperatures. Likewise in the arctic. It is the average global temperature that is important to watch and that is definitely rising.

Also, while it may be unusually cold in Brisbane, the temperatures being experienced in the arctic are unprecedented. And on average, far outpace the average temperature rise in the Northern Hemisphere. 

[Cryingdick]

Odd how the levels of CO2 are at record lows yet there is a heatwave up there. How many years do we have left now? Wasn't it 11 years two years ago? Seems a global economic shut down has not had an effect.

[johnpetersen]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Indeed it is on Reuters. Literally every story they produce is baiting and inaccurate. It's becoming embarrassing.

Do tell us what is baiting and inaccurate about this story.

[Cryingdick]

The pic being from Antarctica. Using a pic of the opposite end of the planet literally for a story isn't kosher. Didn't they have a file pic of the Arctic? 

 

Reuters regularly uses pictures of the wrong glaciers or periods of time etc. in their reporting. I am not sure why I even quoted your post and you didn't get the context.

 

Also welcome back to the forum.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Cryingdick

[johnpetersen]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

Odd how the levels of CO2 are at record lows yet there is a heatwave up there. How many years do we have left now? Wasn't it 11 years two years ago? Seems a global economic shut down has not had an effect.

The reason is pretty simple. Even though rates of production from CO2 have declined from their highs in 2019, they're still high enough to keep on adding to warming.

 

Why CO2 Isn’t Falling More during a Global Lockdown

"The answer lies in what sectors of the economy have shut down and expectations of recovery later in the year"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-falling-more-during-a-global-lockdown/

 

 

 

[englishoak]

We all gonna die........ ... again

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

The reason is pretty simple. Even though rates of production from CO2 have declined from their highs in 2019, they're still high enough to keep on adding to warming.

 

Why CO2 Isn’t Falling More during a Global Lockdown

"The answer lies in what sectors of the economy have shut down and expectations of recovery later in the year"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-falling-more-during-a-global-lockdown/

 

 

 

 

There is always an explanation.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, englishoak said:

We all gonna die........ ... again

 

We've got nine years my brain hurts a lot, nine years that's all we got. I noticed they don't update the doomsday clock regularly.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Cryingdick

[johnpetersen]

5 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

The pic being from Antarctica. Using a pic of the opposite end of the planet literally for a story isn't kosher. Didn't they have a file pic of the Arctic? 

 

Reuters regularly uses pictures of the wrong glaciers or periods of time etc. in their reporting. I am not sure why I even quoted your post and you didn't get the context.

 

Also welcome back to the forum.

But that picture, while wrong, is hardly alarming.. Not much drama there. Here's a legitimate arctic photo that they could have chosen:

Smoke and flames from active fires burning across Sibera can be seen on this satellite imagery from June 21. (NOAA)

 

It comes from those lefties at an organization called Fox News.

Wildfires rage across Siberia as Russia sees extraordinary heat, temperature of 100 F degrees in Arctic town

 https://www.foxnews.com/world/wildfires-russia-siberia-heat-temperature-100-degrees-heat-wave-fire-climate

[johnpetersen]

9 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

There is always an explanation.

Yes, and some explanations depend on something called "Science". 

[Kelsall]

Not even Barrack Obama believes the Global Warming Hoax.  He and his family bought an ocean front property a year or two ago, knowing full well the ocean level would not rise and flood them out.  They're still there of course.

[Tug]

3 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Not even Barrack Obama believes the Global Warming Hoax.  He and his family bought an ocean front property a year or two ago, knowing full well the ocean level would not rise and flood them out.  They're still there of course.

Sigh............

[johnpetersen]

41 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Not even Barrack Obama believes the Global Warming Hoax.  He and his family bought an ocean front property a year or two ago, knowing full well the ocean level would not rise and flood them out.  They're still there of course.

You haven't include time in your reckoning. Sure, if things continue as they are, eventually Obama's property will be flooded. How high is Obama's property above sea level. 1 foot? 1 meter? 2 meters? Can you tell us when that flooding is projected to take place? 2030? 2050? 2100? 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by johnpetersen

[Dap]

15 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Actually, according to updated research, it's arriving ahead of schedule. So maybe we'll be lucky and get to witness it.

Almost hit the "Like" except there was nothing to like about the situation at all ???? So the best I could offer was to "Thank" you for pointing out to so very many naysayers what sadly may be all too true.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Dap

[DaLa]

This could be an opportune time to holiday there when it warms up a little bit more. Presumably it’s not been hit too hard with Covid-19 and I don’t think there are too many issues with visas.

 

Anyone know if TAT are negotiating a ‘travel bubble’ with the place?

[Krataiboy]

16 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Denying the reality by burying it into the argument of  cause does  nothing to alter the reality.

Sad  factor is that those perpetuating the denial will die of old age before they  need witness or cope with a  very altered world. Such selfish apes  we have become.

 

No one in their right mind would deny the world is warming, as we gradually emerge from the last ice age. The burning (sorry) question is the extent of mankind's contribution to the process.

 

Hopefully, when the media tears its attention from the panicdemic, we can have a cooler debate then in the past and introduce sensible policies to address this vital issue.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by Krataiboy

[johnpetersen]

26 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

No one in their right mind would deny the world is warming, as we gradually emerge from the last ice age. The burning (sorry) question is the extent of mankind's contribution to the process.

 

Hopefully, when the media tears its attention from the panicdemic, we can have a cooler debate then in the past and introduce sensible policies to address this vital issue.

 

 

This is untrue. The temperature rebount from the last Ice Age ended about 7000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

[Krataiboy]

1 minute ago, johnpetersen said:

This is untrue. The temperature rebount from the last Ice Age ended about 7000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

So the good news is our planet is actually cooler than it has been for for the last eight thousand years or so of the Holocene?

[johnpetersen]

On 6/24/2020 at 2:39 PM, Krataiboy said:

So the good news is our planet is actually cooler than it has been for for the last eight thousand years or so of the Holocene?

Not anymore.

[rickudon]

Actually this graph better represents what has happened. 12,000 years does not show the very short time scale of modern warming properly, 2,000 years does.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png