Pattaya: Bars and clubs won't open despite bans ending

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

What percentage of domesticactivities in "the rest of Thailand", especially in the north east, are financed by liaisons which originated in Pattaya?

 

In the areas I've been probably 50%.

Where is Pattaya on that map (or any Thai map)? Maybe it's a little dot. And no, it's does not feed 50% of the north east.

 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, mr mr said:

look me in the eye and tell me that this government's response to the crisis has not been outstanding ? tip top. top shelf. a homerun. ????

I believe they did far better then in the west. So yes I think the harsh lockdown helped us. But now they are going to risk it all again by opening borders and opening entertainment area's.

 

Just opening the entertainment area's isnt that bad if they kept the borders locked down.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Where is Pattaya on that map (or any Thai map)? Maybe it's a little dot. And no, it's does not feed 50% of the north east.

 

 

Expats love to overstate their importance. This is again one of those things. Nicely demonstrated.

[Oldie]

5 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

What percentage of domestic activities in "the rest of Thailand", especially in the north east, are financed by liaisons which originated in Pattaya?

 

In the areas I've been probably 50%.

Thailands economy is very big. Do you really think that these amounts are important for Thailand? For some people yes. But not for Thailand. And Corona puts Thailand at risk. 

[WineOh]

Its over!

Time to face the hard facts.

those dirty farangs aint coming back ever and i dont blame um!

the costa del sol will be extra busy this time next year and Thailand will be stuck with nothing but chinese group tours and a few loony Russians.

 

hard times on the horizon, 

Cant say it hasnt been coming though.

Edited June 25, 2020 by Liverpoolfan

[mr mr]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Just opening the entertainment area's isnt that bad if they kept the borders locked down.

borders closed it should be balls to the wall so to speak. 

[ftpjtm]

2 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Thailands economy is very big. Do you really think that these amounts are important for Thailand? For some people yes. But not for Thailand. And Corona puts Thailand at risk. 

I absolutely think that Thais who met foreigners in Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket and Chiang Mai, many of whom have moved out of the country to earn a far better living than the farmers of the northeast ever could and send money back to families to educate them and otherwise support them has a huge impact on that vast area of the country. 

 

In the area where my wife is from not a single family rose above a hand to mouth existence at a poverty level except those who married a foreigner. 

[Oldie]

2 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

I absolutely think that Thais who met foreigners in Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket and Chiang Mai, many of whom have moved out of the country to earn a far better living than the farmers of the northeast ever could and send money back to families to educate them and otherwise support them has a huge impact on that vast area of the country. 

 

In the area where my wife is from not a single family rose above a hand to mouth existence at a poverty level except those who married a foreigner. 

They do for sure a great job for some families. But if you take the whole economy of Thailand these are very little amounts. 

[ftpjtm]

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Where is Pattaya on that map (or any Thai map)? Maybe it's a little dot. And no, it's does not feed 50% of the north east.

 

As edited my original comment is more to the point. And if you're talking about land area as a quantifier of wealth the northeast must be the most wealthy region, right?

[ftpjtm]

Just now, Oldie said:

They do for sure a great job for some families. But if you take the whole economy of Thailand these are very little amounts. 

Again, speaking of the northeastern neighborhoods I'm familiar with the economy as a whole does very little to improve the lives of rural farmers, especially if you take out the "Pattaya option". 

 

But it does work well for big business seeking low wage laborers.

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

As edited my original comment is more to the point. And if you're talking about land area as a quantifier of wealth the northeast must be the most wealthy region, right?

You seem to be totally missing the point, inflated with self importance.

 

Land area is not linked to wealth but it is linked to population size. To think that such a huge area is for 50% supported by Pattaya and foreigners from abroad is totally crazy.

 

According to wiki there are about 22 million people in the north east. To think that 50% of them are supported by foreigners.

 

You do the math.

 

 

[luckyluke]

26 minutes ago, robblok said:

Then there is no point at all anymore to have any rules. I mean if rules are not followed strictly then they are ineffective and we might as well not have them at all.

 

Its either one or the other. 

In Thailand it is certainly useless.

 

Look at the drivers, many think they are above the law,

some are.

 

I once read somewhere, they asked Thai people why they should wear a helmet when driving a motorbike,

the most common answer was =

 

"if you not wear a helmet, you will have to pay a fine if police catch you"

[robblok]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

In Thailand it is certainly useless.

 

Look at the drivers, many think they are above the law,

some are.

 

I once read somewhere, they asked Thai people why they should wear a helmet when driving a motorbike,

the most common answer was =

 

"if you not wear a helmet, you will have to pay a fine if police catch you"

I was talking about corvid rules. Because if one part is not following them all get infected. So it makes no sense to follow any of them. 

 

As for driving without a helmet I dont mind people doing it as long as the guys in the cars that hit (and kill) them don't have to pay out if is proven its caused by not wearing an helmet. Let them kill themselves. I wear an helmet not for the police but for my safety. 

[n00dle]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Do you think that by now, Thai people realised and it dawned on them that basically without foreigners this country is pretty much back to being a farm and agriculture oriented country, no better than many other poor third world countries around the world.. and do you think that they will remember it when the good times comes rolling back?...

i think you greatly overestimate the effect of tourist expenditure in all but a few sectors.

[473geo]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

I do as well, 

but not everyone does.

I was yesterday at Foodland Thonglor, there was a lady at the entry asking questions to the young lady doing the temperature,  and the Thaichana or writing on a list, check.

Quickly we were 4 persons waiting, the manager (I suppose ) came and told us we could enter without any check at all.

It is interesting, the amount of deaths in the UK, the subsiding of the death rate currently, I can now walk into my local UK supermarket, no checks,  I choose to wear a mask but one of about 5% who do, pubs re-open soon, UK seems to be moving quite quickly to restart the economy.

[MasterBaker]

50% capacity rule... i would not worry about it, they will be happy to get 10% these days

[GlassWayOverHalfFull]

Once again an interviewees comments taken out of context for a dramatic headline. He clearly states "Most" won't open. Why is that word left out of the headline?

 

Residents here don't require all the bars open. Tourists (when they can come) don't require all the bars opening. The fact that they are opening is a GOOD thing. 

 

The two landlords of my favourite bars have already confirmed that they will be opening, contrary to the title of this article. 

 

Please note this article is targeted at patrons of bars rather than employees and employers, hence the reason for the comment. 

[n00dle]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Bit strange.. but point being why would we have to live do anything if bars are not going to do the same. Might as wel stop totally and let the virus take hold. 

yes.

 

exercise your own common sense, take your own precautions, and see what happens.

 

it is what is happening all over the country already, people are deciding when and where they are at risk and acting accordingly.

 

[Rimmer]

Off tp[oc posts getting into bickering have been removed.

 

Pattaya: Bars and clubs won't open despite bans ending

[skorp13]

The conditions are ridiculous. This is the governments way of saying you can open so don't come crying to us. They also have had backlash and know hardly anyone will go to a bar or club given those restrictions. It is simply a political move to put blame on society for the continued starvation of these industry workers and also say we do not need to feed you because we have allowed you to re-open. Bad stuff going on!

[ftpjtm]

18 minutes ago, robblok said:

A study conducted by Khon Kaen University estimated that each year 8.67 billion baht is sent by foreign husbands to their wives in Isan.^[7] The 2010 census found that 90 percent of the slightly more than 27,000 foreigners living in the northeastern region were married to women from there. 

BTW if 27,000 foreign husbands sent 8.67 billion to 27,000 wives that's 321,000 baht per wife. Nice boost in wealth for a poor family. 

 

If spent wisely it could have a major impact on the family for generations. 

Edited June 25, 2020 by ftpjtm

[n00dle]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Pattaya is part of Thailand but very different from the rest of Thailand. The rest of Thailand has lots of local bars and local customers. It might be difficult for some people to understand but Thailand if perfectly able to survive without Pattaya.

seems folks in pattaya have a very myopic view of the rest of the country.

Beyond know tourism dependent areas - the southern islands, Phuket, Pattaya, and to some extent sectors of Bangkok - the majority of income is not tourism based and venues have local clientele. 

[tlandtday]

There are so many holes in this silly government exercise.  Here is a classic example.  Everyone entering Big C or similar entering their names upon exit and entry and some as stupid as requesting time recordings.  Anyway there is only one pen which is never cleaned or changed.  You are taking more risk than benefit signing in.  Utter stupidity.

[ftpjtm]

2 minutes ago, n00dle said:

seems folks in pattaya have a very myopic view of the rest of the country.

Beyond know tourism dependent areas - the southern islands, Phuket, Pattaya, and to some extent sectors of Bangkok - the majority of income is not tourism based and venues have local clientele. 

Tourism accounts for 17% of Thailand's GDP. 

 

 

[n00dle]

7 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

BTW if 27,000 foreign husbands sent 8.67 billion to 27,000 wives that's 321, 000 baht per wife. Nice boost in wealth for a poor family. 

but it is only 27000 wives out of a population of 22 million, Even given that that money is being disbursed into the community it wont go far.

[ftpjtm]

Just now, n00dle said:

but it is only 27000 wives out of a population of 22 million, Even given that that money is being disbursed into the community it wont go far.

It can have a mean the difference between having a good or bad education. 

 

It could be used to set up a small business or buy more farm land.

 

It could benefit the family for generations. 

[AsiaCheese]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Do you think that by now, Thai people realised and it dawned on them that basically without foreigners this country is pretty much back to being a farm and agriculture oriented country, no better than many other poor third world countries around the world.. and do you think that they will remember it when the good times comes rolling back?...

If you look beyond the beer bar border, you'll realize that foreigners (as in tourists, mainly) account for some 20% of GDP, and that's including every single Chinese and Indian (and other, non-bar-visiting) tourist. There's quite a bit of industry chugging away in Thailand, not just rice fields...

[Paiman]

Just waiting to hear an high ranking official suggest to convert the bars, pubs and clubs into hospitals.

[robblok]

24 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

BTW if 27,000 foreign husbands sent 8.67 billion to 27,000 wives that's 321,000 baht per wife. Nice boost in wealth for a poor family. 

 

If spent wisely it could have a major impact on the family for generations. 

You were saying 50% of the wealth in the north east. That is not the same thing. You need to spread it out over 22 million. You are truly without a clue. 

[brucec64]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Do you think that by now, Thai people realised and it dawned on them that basically without foreigners this country is pretty much back to being a farm and agriculture oriented country, no better than many other poor third world countries around the world.. and do you think that they will remember it when the good times comes rolling back?...

Actually, no. Agriculture only represents 8.9% of Thailand's GDP. Manufacturing and service accounts for 40%. Tourism is 15-20%. Thailand will be severely impacted by a lack of tourists, but not headed back to the stone age because you're not here to drink 50bht happy hour beers.