Morning wasted at CW

[berybert]

Just got back from CW. 

My extension is due on the 13th of July, so as with every year I go early just in case something goes wrong.

0-A extension all paperwork I need I have, Copies of everything and bank letter etc.

Insurance dated to start same day as the extension 13th July. 

Oh no no no can not can not..... I thought immigration had given up acting like children regarding this by now.

How wrong can you be. There is no arguing with childish ignorance. 

So I'll try again another day.

[blackcab]

What was the reason for your refusal?

[thequietman]

6 minutes ago, blackcab said:

What was the reason for your refusal?

Insurance dated to start same day as the extension 13th July. 

[NanLaew]

7 minutes ago, thequietman said:

14 minutes ago, blackcab said:

What was the reason for your refusal?

Insurance dated to start same day as the extension 13th July. 

Declining early renewal before insurance coverage is valid seems like a logical decision. The OP could get hit by an errant plate of flying vegetables on the way home.

 

 

[JohnOFphon]

Insurance doesn't kick in until late afternoon..

If you had read the fine print you would of seen this.

Go back tomorrow.

[Slaps]

 

 

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Morning, wasted at CW is ok

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[utalkin2me]

Did you waste your morning, or did they waste your morning?

 

Or, did you waste their morning? 

[berybert]

35 minutes ago, JohnOFphon said:

Insurance doesn't kick in until late afternoon..

If you had read the fine print you would of seen this.

Go back tomorrow.

What difference will that make ?  It starts 13 of July, so no matter what time I go back it will still be 13th of July. 

If I go back tomorrow at 4pm will that make the 13th of July come early ? 

I left immigration because I got fed up arguing with idiots. 

[Peter Denis]

This lack of consistency is driving everybody nuts.

Some IOs insist that the insurance has to be aligned with your renewed permission to stay.

Others want that the insurance already started on the day of application.

Some IOs cap your renewed permission to stay till the annual insurance policy expiry date, and others give you the full 1 year permission to stay even if the insurance policy started (and ended) earlier than your permission to stay renewal.

And there was one horror-story of an immigration officer that wanted it both ways - the insurance starting on the day of application but aligned with the renewed permission to stay.  Since that is impossible, the compromise was that the applicant had to come back just before closing time of the Immigration office on the last day of his permission to stay.

 

[berybert]

27 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

This lack of consistency is driving everybody nuts.

Some IOs insist that the insurance has to be aligned with your renewed permission to stay.

Others want that the insurance already started on the day of application.

Some IOs cap your renewed permission to stay till the annual insurance policy expiry date, and others give you the full 1 year permission to stay even if the insurance policy started (and ended) earlier than your permission to stay renewal.

And there was one horror-story of an immigration officer that wanted it both ways - the insurance starting on the day of application but aligned with the renewed permission to stay.  Since that is impossible, the compromise was that the applicant had to come back just before closing time of the Immigration office on the last day of his permission to stay.

 

I tried to argue with them that even if they gave me my extension of stay today it would still be dated 13th July in my passport. Pi$$in the wind just about covers it. 

[glegolo]

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[berybert]

9 minutes ago, glegolo said:

If you get our extension today the date in your passport will be todays date 25th june, what are you talking about?? In my eyes it seems clearly that the idiots are NOT the immigration.

 

glegolo

If I get my extension today it will be dated 13th of July as it has been for the past 3 years of doing it. 

And the date for the following extension will be the 12th of July 2021. 

You are right about one thing, not all the idiots are at immigration. 

Actually that isnt true. It would have todays date on it, but the renewal date is 12/07/2021. It doesnt matter how early you go as the date a retirement extension starts and ends doesnt change. 

Edited June 25, 2020 by berybert

[glegolo]

 

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[berybert]

3 minutes ago, glegolo said:

You are wrong... the day you walk in to the Immigration and make your extension,,, that is also the date you will have in your passport...

 

I myself have personally experienced it several times, try and you will see. But maybe you are mixing things up, and are talking about other stuff?? I dont know really, first of all you can not extend your VISA like you say, you are in fact extending your permission to stay.... start there!!

 

glegolo

So your extension end date changes depending on what date you go to immigration ? 

I have always had an expiry date of the 12/07/20.. whenever I have gone. It matters not. 

Can not extend my visa ? I have not used the word visa as far as I can see, But when all else fails....

 

[Peter Denis]

3 minutes ago, glegolo said:

You are wrong... the day you walk in to the Immigration and make your extension,,, that is also the date you will have in your passport...

OP is talking about the start date of his new permission to stay.

You can apply for your 1-year extension of stay 30 (some IOs allow 45) days early before your permission to stay expires.  And unless you switch the category for your extension (e.g. from retirement to marriage) the approved permission to stay is ADDED to the date your current permission to stay expires.

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

And unless you switch the category for your extension (e.g. from retirement to marriage) the approved permission to stay is ADDED to the date your current permission to stay expires.

A one year extension will be dated the on the same day of the month as the existing one. 

[berybert]

My mistake. I didn't say visa but I did say visa 

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[overt2016]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

A one year extension will be dated the on the same day of the month as the existing one. 

If you listen to the logic of Ubon Joe it all makes sense.

Some of you other "EXPERTS" need to get a grip.

[berybert]

1 minute ago, overt2016 said:

If you listen to the logic of Ubon Joe it all makes sense.

Some of you other "EXPERTS" need to get a grip.

Some of us are putting out a warning that it is possible to waste time at immigration because the officers are still acting like aholes.. Which is part of what the forum is about. 

It all makes sense until you go to immigration. 

So unless you can point out where anybody went wrong, best not to be telling people to shut up. 

The person who has deleted his comments doesn't count

[Matzzon]

3 hours ago, berybert said:

How wrong can you be. There is no arguing with childish ignorance. 

So I'll try again another day.

You seem a little bit unhappy. See it from the positive side. It would have been terrible if you had wasted the afternoon.

[berybert]

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

You seem a little bit unhappy. See it from the positive side. It would have been terrible if you had wasted the afternoon.

Soon get over it and carry on with life. I left as it would have taken ages to have got to see a supervisor, and would have wasted the afternoon too.

Give them credit, they tell you to sit else where and wait for "the boss" then another of the same rank official comes along to tell you the same as the previous person said. 

Probably could go on a daily basics for the next week and one of the days it wouldn't be a problem to do the extension.

[yeahbutif]

You can renew your extension up to two months before the official renew date of your extension date. The official year date always stay the same like mine 4th Feb. the other date on the same stamp is the day you did it. So it does sound like the insurance has to be valid for the date you apply for the extension, But then would run out before the official year is up. But then sounds like you have to renew again for the next extension to keep the insurance flowing ... like most insurances... 

[OJAS]

9 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

And there was one horror-story of an immigration officer that wanted it both ways - the insurance starting on the day of application but aligned with the renewed permission to stay.  Since that is impossible, the compromise was that the applicant had to come back just before closing time of the Immigration office on the last day of his permission to stay.

And, as I recall, the particular office involved on that occasion was - guess what - CW as in the OP's case!

[spiekerjozef]

11 hours ago, blackcab said:

What was the reason for your refusal?

obvious

[Bender Rodriguez]

the whole crazy, you are on A-O you need insurance and 75+ year old with non-o does not need...

[soisanuk]

10 hours ago, yeahbutif said:

You can renew your extension up to two months before the official renew date of your extension date. The official year date always stay the same like mine 4th Feb. the other date on the same stamp is the day you did it. So it does sound like the insurance has to be valid for the date you apply for the extension, But then would run out before the official year is up. But then sounds like you have to renew again for the next extension to keep the insurance flowing ... like most insurances... 

Not in Pattaya - it has always been no earlier than 30 days -- as mentioned in a previous post, a few Offices allow 45 days -- so far, I have not seen any posting of an Office allowing 60 days in advance - so can you identify the Immigration Office(s) that allow 60 days before renewal date?

 

Peter Denis

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This lack of consistency is driving everybody nuts.

Some IOs insist that the insurance has to be aligned with your renewed permission to stay.

Others want that the insurance already started on the day of application.

Some IOs cap your renewed permission to stay till the annual insurance policy expiry date, and others give you the full 1 year permission to stay even if the insurance policy started (and ended) earlier than your permission to stay renewal.

And there was one horror-story of an immigration officer that wanted it both ways - the insurance starting on the day of application but aligned with the renewed permission to stay.  Since that is impossible, the compromise was that the applicant had to come back just before closing time of the Immigration office on the last day of his permission to stay.

 

As to insurance cover period, as mentioned above, requirements seem to vary depending on the Immigration Office (or maybe Officer). A friend just renewed in Pattaya - his underlying Visa was an OA, thus his first problem was he had Thai health insurance from a company listed on the TGIA website (a requirement) with significant inpatient coverage. But it did not include outpatient care. 

 

His insurance company agreed to issue a "new" policy with both inpatient (his previous amount) & outpatient (the minimum 40k required by Immigration) for a higher fee, of course.  Since I had seen reports that Pattaya Immigration wanted the cover to begin on the day his extension begins I suggested to him that he get his new policy to begin on July 4, which is his extension starting date. However, his insurance rep said it should begin the day before on July 3 and that was the start date used for his new policy.

 

WELL, he went to Immigration a few days ago and did receive his extension, BUT they cut one day off making his new renewal date July 3 of next year to coincide with his new policy cover period.

 

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[pookiki]

I started my insurance on February 1 of this year through an 'approved' insurer and used an agent. My agent is aware of when my extension of stay expires and when I intend to go to CW another extension of stay.  I believe that may agent will 'amend' my current insurance policy to expire on the same day as (or day after) my extension of stay with a new policy to be effective for full year thereafter. Ubon Joe, what is your experience on 'overlapping' policies as this? I don't see how it can be a problem.

[condobrit001]

So my O-A visa extension runs out July 19th. I would like to renew it ahead of time and this is the first time I am required to have insurance. So when do I get the insurance to start? I am thinking the day before I apply for the extension would be the safest bet? comments?

[seajae]

18 hours ago, berybert said:

So your extension end date changes depending on what date you go to immigration ? 

I have always had an expiry date of the 12/07/20.. whenever I have gone. It matters not. 

Can not extend my visa ? I have not used the word visa as far as I can see, But when all else fails....

 

same here, my extension  is always the same start/end date no matter when I go in to do it which is usually a week or two earlier

Edited June 26, 2020 by seajae

[rwill]

I didn't have that problem at Ratchaburi when I extended in January.  But I have read here about others having problems like that in other offices.

 

Did you already have insurance that covered you to that date?  If so showing them both may be acceptable to them.

 

Otherwise I guess you are stuck going back on the last day to extend it.

 

Maybe you could get the insurance company to change the policy start date to an earlier date and go on that date to extend.  But you would probably have your extension expiration date changed to the date the insurance policy expires and lose a little time on this extension.