UK beach town raises alarm as huge crowds ignore COVID advice and flock to the coast

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Its not just the beaches though is it ?

The numerous demonstrations and counter demonstrations in various UK towns and cities .

Numerous illegal raves , football fans congregating , it does seem quite widespread  

 

Correct - it does ‘seem’ wide-spread...    Demonstrations, Football Fans, Beaches - Thats what the media does, it misrepresents. 

 

I recall the ‘protests’ in Bangkok, my family in the UK thought I was in the middle of a war zone when in reality we were going out as normal, restraints, bars etc... the violence was specific to a couple of key areas - The media presented a wholly different story of a nation at war. 

 

To be honest - I’m embarrassed at the behaviour we see in the news, but we also have to recognise that this is not the nation, its a minority of idiots within the nation. 

 

 

[473geo]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No problem because you have not been absent from your family.

 

The quarantine and testing prevent the risk of further spread - so, why would you want to ban specifically Brits?

Would you also want to ban Thai’s entering Thailand from the UK or is it ‘just every single person of British Nationality’ you would ban?

 

Well Richard you see I am absent from my family and will be patient and schedule a visit for around April May next year when I hope to see things have settled down

 

I take a broader view, and park my self interest, because I believe England opening up is good news for the economy, so let's just get on with it. If you need more information why I feel this is the way forward read my post above

Edited June 26, 2020 by 473geo

[spiekerjozef]

10 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

A little bit of sunshine in Britain is all that is needed for certain people to engage brain dead mode.  

they've been brexit brain dead

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Well Richard you see I am absent from my family and will be patient and schedule a visit for around April May next year when I hope to see things have settled down

 

I take a broader view and park my self interest because I believe England opening up is good news for the economy so let's just get on with it. If you need more information why I feel this is the way forward read my post above

 

We obviously have different outlook regarding the potential risk this diseases poses to our family. 

 

I certainly don’t want my 6 year old son to wait until April / May 2021 until he can spend time with his father.

 

The objectives of lock down were not to overwhelm the health services. The goalposts have been shifted, Thailands response is to attempt to eradicate the virus from its shores. Is this really possible?

 

Thailand has locked down, effectively eradicating Covid-19 from its shores (if we are to believe the reported numbers). Thus, are we do believe that the Common cold, Influenza and other respiratory illnesses has also been eradicated? 

 

When Thailand opens up again, will there be any more transmission of influenza? Colds?

 

Covid-19 is the same, unless its eradicated from the world, it will naturally be reintroduced to Thailand - the difference being that Thai’s have been protected from it while the rest of the world (or those with higher Covid-19) numbers have some herd immunity. 

 

The risk Thailands response presents is a larger wave when the country is opened up, unless of course Thailand plans to remain totally locked down to outside visitors until a vaccine becomes available.

 

The issue with this is that we don’t know if a vaccine will become available. Billions has been spent on Vaccine research for other diseases without success. 

 

We have managed to live with other human Coronaviruses and evolve with them (common cold) and have never discovered a vaccine or a cure. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by richard_smith237

[473geo]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

We obviously have different outlook regarding the potential risk this diseases poses to our family. 

 

I certainly don’t want my 6 year old son to wait until April / May 2021 until he can spend time with his father.

 

The objectives of lock down were not to overwhelm the health services. The goalposts have been shifted, Thailands response is to attempt to eradicate the virus from its shores. Is this really possible?

 

Thailand has locked down, effectively eradicating Covid-19 from its shores (if we are to believe the reported numbers). Thus, are we do believe that the Common cold, Influenza and other respiratory illnesses has also been eradicated? 

 

When Thailand opens up again, will there be any more transmission of influenza? Colds?

 

Covid-19 is the same, unless its eradicated from the world, it will naturally be reintroduced to Thailand - the difference being that Thai’s have been protected from it while the rest of the world (or those with higher Covid-19) numbers have some herd immunity. 

 

The risk Thailands response presents is a larger wave when the country is opened up, unless of course Thailand plans to remain totally locked down to outside visitors until a vaccine becomes available.

 

The issue with this is that we don’t know if a vaccine will become available. Billions has been spent on Vaccine research for other diseases without success. 

 

We have managed to live with other human Coronaviruses and evolve with them (common cold) and have never discovered a vaccine or a cure. 

 

 

Well Richard, here is how I see it, if countries like UK, Spain and Italy successfully open up, and deaths from covid are subdued to become negligible, then aircraft will be flying and countries like Thailand will have little option but to accept tourists.

So rather than sit and predict doom and gloom lets lead those that are cautious by example

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts, inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

[mommysboy]

10 hours ago, stephenterry said:

England will probably go down in history as being the first to attain herd immunity without any vaccine and have the highest per capita death rate in Europe, second only to the USA. I just hope our NHS will be able to cope with the government's failure to ENFORCE lockdown, even if it means closing ALL the coastal access roads. 

 

As for the beachlovers...  

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8462623/Are-doctors-better-treating-Covid-19-Uks-death-rate-FALLEN-quarter-peak-level.html

 

The death rate from Covid19 has fallen dramatically in the UK, although no one is quite sure why that should be so.  It may be that there are simply less serious patients being admitted as capacity rates have increased. But as we know, the UK has already found one life saving treatment and is piloting numerous others.  There are compelling reasons why it is desirable that youngsters should develop immunity as soon as possible, since herd immunity also confers a high degree of protection for the old and vulnerable.

 

Moreover, based on current trends the low death rate begins to resemble only that of the more serious flu strains, eg, H1N1.

 

Places like Thailand are following a mistaken strategy in my opinion.

Edited June 26, 2020 by mommysboy

[tribalfusion001]

Saturday 4th July will be 100% carnage, police have ordered leave cancelled to cope with the mayhem that will ensue.

 

Yesterday 500,000 on Dorsets beaches, my local beach in Southend was rammed, queues of traffic outside on the road leading to the town. There were fights on Bournemouth beaches and in Wales, plus loads of park and street parties in London which the police tried to break up. Same thing in Glasgow and Edinburgh in the parks, large gatherings drinking, 2 people stabbed in Kent at a large gathering, it's all over the country.

 

Liverpool won the league and 1000s were on the streets around Anfield, zero social distancing and the police chief said to enjoy the night lol.

 

Unless the government let organized events in parks and beaches during the summer for people to do, then it will just get worse and worse. The new guidelines for the pubs/bars won't solve the problem as the capacities are reduced and there is 9.1 million on furlough with <deleted> all to do. It's a perfect recipe with mass unemployment coming for a summer of discontent.

Edited June 26, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[mommysboy]

6 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Saturday 4th July will be 100% carnage, police have ordered leave cancelled to cope with the mayhem that will ensue.

 

Yesterday 500,000 on Dorsets beaches, my local beach in Southend was rammed, queues of traffic outside on the road leading to the town. There were fights on Bournemouth beaches and in Wales, plus loads of park and street parties in London which the police tried to break up.

 

Liverpool won the league and 1000s were on the streets around Anfield, zero social distancing and the police chief said to enjoy the night lol.

 

Unless the government let organized events in parks and beaches during the summer for people to do, then it will just get worse and worse. The new guidelines for the pubs/bars won't solve the problem as the capacities are reduced and there is 9.1 million on furlough with <deleted> all to do. It's a perfect recipe with mass unemployment coming for a summer of discontent.

Sounds like Bomo is just experiencing a touch of the 'Benidorms'.

 

I think opening pubs and particularly beer gardens is a very good idea.

 

All that Blighty really needs to do is provide good PPE in health facilities, and protect the old and vulnerable.  Roll-on herd immunity.

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Sounds like Bomo is just experiencing a touch of the 'Benidorms'.

 

I think opening pubs and particularly beer gardens is a very good idea.

 

All that Blighty really needs to do is provide good PPE in health facilities, and protect the old and vulnerable.  Roll-on herd immunity.

The pub beer gardens will get over run and some pubs are having social distancing supervisors trying to control them lol.

 

My local doesn't open until the 6th, but plenty of others in the town to visit on the 4th.

[CygnusX1]

Although I’m not denying that there were many people at Bournemouth beach, many photos published in the media greatly exaggerate the apparent density of people, due to foreshortening of perspective when a telephoto lens is aimed along the length of a beach. 

[mommysboy]

9 minutes ago, CygnusX1 said:

Although I’m not denying that there were many people at Bournemouth beach, many photos published in the media greatly exaggerate the apparent density of people, due to foreshortening of perspective when a telephoto lens is aimed along the length of a beach. 

I don't know- I've been on the beach and even worked along the sea front in my student days, and the west and beach close to the pier get absolutely packed.  You're probably right when it comes to the chines.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Saturday 4th July will be 100% carnage, police have ordered leave cancelled to cope with the mayhem that will ensue.

 

Yesterday 500,000 on Dorsets beaches, my local beach in Southend was rammed, queues of traffic outside on the road leading to the town. There were fights on Bournemouth beaches and in Wales, plus loads of park and street parties in London which the police tried to break up. Same thing in Glasgow and Edinburgh in the parks, large gatherings drinking, 2 people stabbed in Kent at a large gathering, it's all over the country.

 

Liverpool won the league and 1000s were on the streets around Anfield, zero social distancing and the police chief said to enjoy the night lol.

 

Unless the government let organized events in parks and beaches during the summer for people to do, then it will just get worse and worse. The new guidelines for the pubs/bars won't solve the problem as the capacities are reduced and there is 9.1 million on furlough with <deleted> all to do. It's a perfect recipe with mass unemployment coming for a summer of discontent.

The quickest way to disperse the crowds is to send everyone back to work. 

[tribalfusion001]

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The quickest way to disperse the crowds is to send everyone back to work. 

Depends if there is any work for them to do, otherwise it's millions on the dole.

[mommysboy]

13 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The quickest way to disperse the crowds is to send everyone back to work. 

No jobs!

[Crazy Alex]

Life goes on.

[simon43]

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...& the culprit(s) unceremoniously expelled upon completion of substantial porridge.
 

 

 

But you can't expel them.  They'll claim that their life will be in danger if they are sent back to Calais..... ????

Edited June 26, 2020 by simon43

[TeaMonkey]

The WHO got it wrong again. The rise in cases is due to more testing. 
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-26/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-who-made-total-mistake-in-new-list

 

This is the scaremongering now the deaths have stopped rising. 

[tribalfusion001]

29 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

The WHO got it wrong again. The rise in cases is due to more testing. 
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-26/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-who-made-total-mistake-in-new-list

 

This is the scaremongering now the deaths have stopped rising. 

The deaths are flat lining in the UK and the infection rate too. You should know by now, the first act is always followed by act 2.

[Bluespunk]

48 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

The WHO got it wrong again. The rise in cases is due to more testing. 
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-26/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-who-made-total-mistake-in-new-list

 

This is the scaremongering now the deaths have stopped rising. 

Yeah sure...

[TeaMonkey]

19 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The deaths are flat lining in the UK and the infection rate too. You should know by now, the first act is always followed by act 2.

Always?

 

Dr David Rosser, who heads the University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust (UHB), said there were signs that infected patients “don’t seem as sick, on average, as they were”. This follows reports from Italy and the US earlier this month where doctors said the virus is now different and much weaker than it was before.

 

 

Coronavirus has downgraded from a “tiger to a wild cat” and could die out on its own without a vaccine, an infectious diseases specialist has claimed.

Prof Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the Policlinico San Martino hospital in Italy, told The Telegraph that Covid-19 has been losing its virulence in the last month and patients who would have previously died are now recovering.

The expert in critical care said the plummeting number of cases could mean a vaccine is no longer needed as the virus might never return.

 

 

[Kadilo]

Johnson speaking today  “people are taking too many liberties” 

 

Bit late now to start preaching Boris. It was ok for your mate. 

[vermin on arrival]

16 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Lets wait and see, the jury's still out on that.

 

New cases of the coronavirus rose in Europe last week, for the first time in months. The increase was driven by 11 countries that have had a “very significant resurgence”, Hans Kluge, head of the World Health Organization Regional Office for Europe, said today. If left unchecked, such outbreaks will “push health systems to the brink once again”.

The countries and territories with notable increases in cases are Sweden, Armenia, Republic of Moldova, North Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, and Kosovo, according to a WHO spokesperson.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-cases-rising-in-europe-following-eased-lockdowns/#ixzz6QR3Jkcsm

Interesting to see that the fatalities in Sweden are going down as the case numbers go up

[joecoolfrog]

16 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah the old "move on" cry from someone who thinks Johnson can do no wrong.

Is there anything more pathetic than playing the politics blame game during a global cŕisis.

Has the current government made mistakes , undoubtedly , would a different administration have done better ? , nobody know including you!

Any sane person realises that we must move on with caution , or do you think we should lock down for another year ?

[joecoolfrog]

3 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Johnson speaking today  “people are taking too many liberties” 

 

Bit late now to start preaching Boris. It was ok for your mate. 

I definitely think Cummings should have gone but I reckon about 1% at best of the beach <deleted> were motivated by that decision. 

People toe the line largely through fear , they feel the worst is over , they simply aren't scared anymore.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, TeaMonkey said:

The WHO got it wrong again. The rise in cases is due to more testing. 
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-26/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-who-made-total-mistake-in-new-list

 

This is the scaremongering now the deaths have stopped rising. 

In Sweden, not in UK, US.

[maingmoom]

23 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Was always going to happen. People looked at Dominic Cummings getting away with it and decided its OK for them to do the same.

So if he put his head in a gas oven all these people would do the same

[Youlike]

On 6/26/2020 at 9:02 AM, welovesundaysatspace said:

The stupidity of westerners is amazing. I’m glad I’m living in Thailand where people don’t put their and other’s health at risk because of “principles”.  

Nope, the thai do it out of selfishness..have a look at the traffic which kills 60 people every single day.

[sukhumvitneon]

4 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Is there anything more pathetic than playing the politics blame game during a global cŕisis.

Has the current government made mistakes , undoubtedly , would a different administration have done better ? , nobody know including you!

Any sane person realises that we must move on with caution , or do you think we should lock down for another year ?

The only entity that deserves blame for all of this is the Chinese and their disgusting eating habits