Scientists just beginning to understand the many health problems caused by COVID-19

[johnpetersen]

4 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

another wet dream for big pharma & hospitals

 

a patient for life

 

still think this is from a silly bat ?

No. From a deadly serious bat.

[NumbNut]

15 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

It's a potentially nasty piece of work... not just if you catch it and die, but also if you happen to be one of the unlucky or vulnerable or whatever ones who ends up with any number of long lingering post-illness disabilities.

Exactly. I can't quite believe the blasé attitude some folks are taking to this pandemic given so much is still unknown.

 

It's the 'unlucky' aspect of this pandemic that we should all be concerned about, if you have any care at all about your long-term health

 

[Eric Loh]

38 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Not a need to mention him in every thread 

I tried but find hard when he is the biggest obstructive elephant in the room. 

[sukhumvitneon]

Please tell the Chinese to stop eating bats, dogs, etc. and learn some basic hygiene practices so the world can stem the tide of these viruses

[spidermike007]

What some of these rather narrow minded people DO NOT seem to understand is the multitude of things that can be done to strengthen the immune system and prevent the contagion. Nobody is talking about prevention, through diet, and avoiding processed foods, sugar, fast food or other things that weaken the body.

 

Why are Americans getting infected at such high rates and why does the nation have a morbidity rate of over 5%? Americans are by and large very unhealthy people. Many gorge on fast food, fried food and incredibly toxic diets. Combine that with pre existing daibetes, heart disease, morbid obesity and many other factors, and you have a perfect storm that we are now witnessing. 

[Krataiboy]

8 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

They've been grasping it since the beginning of April:

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes#

 

 

 

"Ferocious rampage through body, brain, toes. . . " 

 

If cool, dispassionate scientific analysis like this doesn't get us all begging for our mandatory COVID shots I can't imagine what would.

[from the home of CC]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside conspiracies, we can be sure of one thing, it’s not as many claimed, a flu.

yes, looks to be about 10x more lethal than a flu.. 

[VocalNeal]

There's money in this. They want to keep it going for as long as possible? 

 

But 7 days for every one is hospital sound legit. I was once told "If you can walk out of the hospital you will be running again in 6 weeks". "If you can't walk out then 6 weeks to walk and another 6 weeks to run" So I walked out . Just.

[Krataiboy]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

stone me chomper,never thought you,d do a post i agree with.

While comparisons between COVID 19 and flu are heresy to some, there are striking similarities not only in their common symptoms but also in the hidden collateral damage both are capable of causing.

 

A number of very serious conditions can piggyback on seasonal flu and the corona viruses which spread the common cold. The health problems they cause can linger long after the initial infection has passed.

 

The list run from potentially fatal viral or bacterial pneumonia and includes also some of the same conditions now being attributed to COVID 19 - ranging from temporary loss and smell of taste to inflammation of the brain, heart and liver.

 

Could it be that the coronavirus responsible for the current panicdemic is not really as "novel" as the "experts" would have us believe?
 

https://www.everydayhealth.com/cold-flu-pictures/suprising-health-complications-from-cold-and-flu.aspx

Edited June 27, 2020 by Krataiboy

[johnpetersen]

5 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

While comparisons between COVID 19 and flu are heresy to some, there are striking similarities not only in their common symptoms but also in the hidden collateral damage both are capable of causing.

 

A number of very serious conditions can piggyback on seasonal flu and the corona viruses which spread the common cold. The health problems they cause can linger long after the initial infection has passed.

 

The list run from potentially fatal viral or bacterial pneumonia and includes also some of the same conditions now being attributed to COVID 19 - ranging from temporary loss and smell of taste to inflammation of the brain, heart and liver.

 

Could it be that the coronavirus responsible for the current panicdemic is not really as "novel" as the "experts" would have us believe?
 

https://www.everydayhealth.com/cold-flu-pictures/suprising-health-complications-from-cold-and-flu.aspx

Not nearly the range of symptoms caused by Covid. And flus have been with us for a much longer time. Give covid a few years and I bet there be even more Covid symptoms tabulated. 

[sawadee1947]

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We

The brain problems are obviously to be seen on Bojo.... ????

[rvaviator]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Not a need to mention him in every thread 

True .. but we all feel better from it ????.  Got to have something worth bitching about !!

 

[rvaviator]

4 hours ago, NumbNut said:

Exactly. I can't quite believe the blasé attitude some folks are taking to this pandemic given so much is still unknown.

 

It's the 'unlucky' aspect of this pandemic that we should all be concerned about, if you have any care at all about your long-term health

 

Just like the people who smoke, drink and do not do anything more physical than than pressing buttons on the TV remote ....  ????

[Krataiboy]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

Not nearly the range of symptoms caused by Covid. And flus have been with us for a much longer time. Give covid a few years and I bet there be even more Covid symptoms tabulated. 

You're right.

 

The more symptoms that can be dreamed up, the more we'll be scared into believing the only escape from endless "new waves" is a dodgy vaccine - rushed to market without sufficient safety testing by drug companies indemnified against any claims for resultant damage.

 

So roll over, everybody, and get ready to roll up your sleeve for those mandatory shots. OMDB.

[n00dle]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Not a need to mention him in every thread 

Trump is the virus though. 

[johnpetersen]

27 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

You're right.

 

The more symptoms that can be dreamed up, the more we'll be scared into believing the only escape from endless "new waves" is a dodgy vaccine - rushed to market without sufficient safety testing by drug companies indemnified against any claims for resultant damage.

 

So roll over, everybody, and get ready to roll up your sleeve for those mandatory shots. OMDB.

You know smart people who say there is no HIV virus, you know that the medical community will be dreaming up symptoms and that vaccinations will be mandatory. Enough said.

[Krataiboy]

Just now, johnpetersen said:

You know smart people who say there is no HIV virus, you know that the medical community will be dreaming up symptoms and that vaccinations will be mandatory. Enough said.

Enough said.

 

That's a relief.

[Blue Muton]

9 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

1. He didn’t call the virus a “severe seasonal influenza”. 
 

 

According to this article from the New England Medical Journal he (Fauci), along with two of his peers did indeed say "....the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza....."

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?articleTools=true

[johnpetersen]

4 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

According to this article from the New England Medical Journal he (Fauci), along with two of his peers did indeed say "....the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza....."

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?articleTools=true

In other words he didn't call the virus a "severe seasonal influenza." He said the clinical consequences "may" be more akin...

What does the use of "may" tell you? Does it indicate certitude?

[pacovl46]

22 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

And you believe this came from a food market? Yeah, right.

Like all the nasty stuff always comes from a lab! I guess you’ve never heard stuff like Ebola, SARS-CoV 1, MERS, leprosy or the plague for example! People seriously need to get off the conspiracy <deleted> bandwagon! 

[Blue Muton]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

In other words he didn't call the virus a "severe seasonal influenza." He said the clinical consequences "may" be more akin...

What does the use of "may" tell you? Does it indicate certitude?

Semantics.

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

According to this article from the New England Medical Journal he (Fauci), along with two of his peers did indeed say "....the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza....."

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?articleTools=true

Exactly. He didn’t say Covid is “a severe seasonal influenza” as the other poster suggested. He was talking about the “clinical consequences” which 2-3 months ago obviously were less known and understood than they are now, and he even indicated that by saying they “may” be more akin to those of a severe influenza — aka we are not sure yet. 
 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[yuyiinthesky]

10 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

No. From a deadly serious bat.

Are you claiming that the bat created and spread the virus on purpose, with the intent to harm humans?

 

 

[yuyiinthesky]

13 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

1. He didn’t call the virus a “severe seasonal influenza”. 
 

2. What’s the point bringing up an article that was written before doctors learned about the damage the virus can do? Don’t the doctors clearly say that “We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after (...)”?

1. I didn‘t claim he did. However he used the term „severe seasonal influenza“ when discussing Covid 19, and not „just a flu“, as the poster I replied to.

 

2. As you could have easily guessed by the prefix „Source“ in front of the link the NEJM article was the source of the „severe seasonal influenza“ quote.
 

If you however agree with the „just a flu“ quote I replied to, that‘s ok, fine, but don‘t start bickering about me showing the source for a Fauci quote.

[steelepulse]

10 hours ago, NumbNut said:

Exactly. I can't quite believe the blasé attitude some folks are taking to this pandemic given so much is still unknown.

 

It's the 'unlucky' aspect of this pandemic that we should all be concerned about, if you have any care at all about your long-term health

 

Is it the "unlucky" or is it the unhealthy with lowered immune systems, diabetes, obesity, vitamin d deficient, along with other comorbidity factors?  

 

Sure, nothing you can do about being old, but you sure can boost your immune system, get off the sugar and lead a healthier life.

[steelepulse]

4 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

In other words he didn't call the virus a "severe seasonal influenza." He said the clinical consequences "may" be more akin...

What does the use of "may" tell you? Does it indicate certitude?

"May", means he has no idea and he just may change his mind, just like he did about the wearing of masks ( or was that a blatant lie to ensure medical staff had enough masks?)

[elliss]

20 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

“Just the flu.”

 

       New world order,  now called Covid 19 . 

          Pneumonia has a new name..

          Media powered panic , has destroyed World economies .

        

Edited June 27, 2020 by elliss

[yuyiinthesky]

16 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

"May", means he has no idea and he just may change his mind, just like he did about the wearing of masks ( or was that a blatant lie to ensure medical staff had enough masks?)

I think „may“ here is just the normal way scientists word their opinions in such studies. Every good scientist knows that what he thinks today being a „law of nature“ can be replaced tomorrow by a better explanation. 
 

Laypersons easily make the mistake to Interpret such a „may“ as insecurity, while it is merely acknowledging that It is the current understanding at the time of writing, and can change with new knowledge and data.

Edited June 27, 2020 by yuyiinthesky

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Exactly. He didn’t say Covid is “a severe seasonal influenza” as the other poster suggested. He was talking about the “clinical consequences” which 2-3 months ago obviously were less known and understood than they are now, and he even indicated that by saying they “may” be more akin to those of a severe influenza — aka we are not sure yet. 

So on the 28th Feb Dr Fauci states:

 

"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"

 

This article was published on the 28th Feb. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

 

The on the 11th March, Dr Fauci states: 

 

"Fauci said COVID-19 is at least 10 times “more lethal” than the seasonal flu." This was on 11th March, he obviously changed his mind.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/top-federal-health-official-says-coronavirus-outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.html

[johnpetersen]

18 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

"May", means he has no idea and he just may change his mind, just like he did about the wearing of masks ( or was that a blatant lie to ensure medical staff had enough masks?)

Yes. He changed his mind because of the accumulation of evidence that wearing a mask is a very powerful way not to contract covid. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind in the face of new evidence. In fact, what's wrong is not changing it.