Pro lockdown advocates, what's your solution for unemployment, homeless and no food?

[7fish]

7 hours ago, brain150 said:

Be aware of what is to come - this will not end well if people don't start to see the truth. 

totally agree, and thanks for the post this quote came from. We have criminals in power so what do you expect.

 

Watch the video from the World Forum

 

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

 

This is what 'they' want now. A planet restored back to it's natural beauty, enjoyed by the 0.1 per cent. A vastly reduced population with AI and robots taking care of the menial tasks.

 

This is akin to an industrial revolution, and we know what happened at the end of the last one.

[geriatrickid]

27 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Retail is collapsing by people too scared to enter non essential shops. I've had a look around my local high street and there not many people around. Most of the small shops are closed early, lack of trade I suppose and when the pubs/restaurants open from the 4th they are bookings only.

Yes, you  have a valid point. However,  it cannot be denied that there was a transition in progress prior to Covid 19 as people moved to online purchasing. Shopping malls and general retail have been in trouble for several years. All of my co-workers have moved to online purchasing using retailers options or going through facilities like Amazon. In the past 3 months, I have made all of my consumer goods purchases online. It's fast, it's convenient and I don't have to deal with people. I am not alone.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

What goes around, comes around for another definition. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword also. You keep <deleted> around with people, you'll pay. You can't go around hurting others without "karma" coming to pay the piper.

Hasn't come for Trump- yet.

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, 7fish said:

totally agree, and thanks for the post this quote came from. We have criminals in power so what do you expect.

 

Watch the video from the World Forum

 

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

 

This is what 'they' want now. A planet restored back to it's natural beauty, enjoyed by the 0.1 per cent. A vastly reduced population with AI and robots taking care of the menial tasks.

 

This is akin to an industrial revolution, and we know what happened at the end of the last one.

It's magic "they" again, too many conspiracy theories will fry your brain or maybe the 5G rays will 555.

[JackThompson]

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

You are mixing mortality with illness. Because one does not die, does not mean that one emerges from the illness unscathed.

Correct.  How does "No Symptoms at All" fit into that?  How about, "mild cold symtoms"?  Hidden damage we will later discover? 
 

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Nor does pointing out that we are in the early stages of a serious  infectious disease and that data is still developing  necessitate a doom and gloom scenario.  You want instant answers  and make instant assumptions.  That is not how chronic health care conditions are identified. 

I am going by what we know.  The lockdown is doing much more harm to the vast majority who are completely unaffected by contact with this virus.  Let's let them get back to living, and focus all efforts on the vulnerable - efforts which those who are not vulnerable can help fund, if not locked-out of employment, and themselves being a financial-burden.

 

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Perhaps some of the observed lung damage will heal. however, what we do know is that once a person has a serious lung infection, that person is more susceptible to other lung infections. There is a  summation of physical damage. This is nothing new.  We see it every day with  sun damage to the skin. It is incremental until the body can no longer compensate.

What percentage of young people develop "serious lung infections" from covid, with none of the other medical conditions which put them in the vulnerable category.
 

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

 

Your logic brings to mind the arguments used by the tobacco industry when it claimed there was no link between tobacco smoking and lung damage. They wanted proof.

While the early polio vaccine, distributed to hundreds of millions, being full of cancer-causing viruses (SV-40) did give the tobacco-companies some ability to create "doubt" in juries as to the cause of a particular soft-tissue cancer ... no, that's not at all comparable to what I am saying.  Tobacco smoke is a known carcenogen - were called "cancer sticks" back in the 1950s.

 

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

You are using simplistic explanations for  complex  outcomes. Some people see that a lot of fatalities involve elderly people and have assumed that these people are dead because they are old. Well, what we know is that surviving infection has a relationship to the viral load a patient is exposed to. If the initial exposure is 'light' and the patient is not repeatedly exposed, the patient has a greater likelihood of survival.  A majority of the elderly patients who have died have a common characteristic; They were in high density accommodation and where infectious disease protocols were not followed. These people were repeatedly exposed. The  200+ health workers who have died in the UK were repeatedly exposed to the virus. Those workers were often overworked due to the large number of patients they were caring for.  The deaths of these  health workers in this number has not been seen in the past century.  Young people have not had the same exposure, and because of that, their case characteristics have been different.

Agree on the 1st part, but you jumped to a conclusion at the end - the "why" regarding the young.  There is no evidence for this.

 

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Now we are seeing a surge in the number of the young who are infected and with that surge are a greater number of complications.

A surge in positive-tests (many have no symptoms, ever) - or a surge in hospitalizations of the healthy-young, relative to the general population's hospitalization increase in the same region(s)?

 

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

In respect to the   impact on young people. you expect an instant  answer.  You want numbers. Well, the numbers are still being gathered. All that is available is observational evidence. Dr. John Kinnear, is an experienced physician with  experience with epidemics. He is also Dean of medicine at ARU. He had these observations. https://theprint.in/health/asymptomatic-covid-19-patients-can-still-develop-lung-damage/449337/

 

His views are consistent with what has been observed elsewhere and  widely reported.

 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

 

We have lots of data already, from where the virus has been spreading for months.  We will continue to gather evidence, and perhaps, someday, have a clearer picture of who is affected and why.  As is, we just know about age and other known risk-factors - and given we cannot continue to survive with a broken economy, we will have to move forward with that, for now.

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Yes, you  have a valid point. However,  it cannot be denied that there was a transition in progress prior to Covid 19 as people moved to online purchasing. Shopping malls and general retail have been in trouble for several years. All of my co-workers have moved to online purchasing using retailers options or going through facilities like Amazon. In the past 3 months, I have made all of my consumer goods purchases online. It's fast, it's convenient and I don't have to deal with people. I am not alone.

This is why I prefer BKK, lots of malls and lots of shops to browse around. I like to see what I'm buying, whether it's a mobile phone or a polo shirt or a pair of Vans. The sooner the Thai borders open the better, then I can escape this hell hole of a country.

[geriatrickid]

1 minute ago, 7fish said:

totally agree, and thanks for the post this quote came from. We have criminals in power so what do you expect.

 

Watch the video from the World Forum

 

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

 

This is what 'they' want now. A planet restored back to it's natural beauty, enjoyed by the 0.1 per cent. A vastly reduced population with AI and robots taking care of the menial tasks.

 

This is akin to an industrial revolution, and we know what happened at the end of the last one.

Yes it's a plot.  Buy lots of aluminum foil to make yourself protective armor. 

[JackThompson]

11 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's magic "they" again, too many conspiracy theories will fry your brain or maybe the 5G rays will 555.

While correct to say there is no proof this virus is part of "their plan" - he linked to a real group with Billionaires supporting it, so the "they" isn't imaginary - nor are their goals.  It is safe to assume that with any even that occurs, "they" will attempt to craft a result to further their designs. 

 

Put another way, as a famous USA political-consultant once said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."  Huge Piles of lobbyist-written legislation in-waiting is "activated" with each significant event.  Look at what they passed immediately after 911 in the USA - doesn't mean they "planned the event," but they sure as heck did "capitalize" on it.

 

  

8 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Yes it's a plot.  Buy lots of aluminum foil to make yourself protective armor. 

... and this ^^^ is how "they" get their way - no matter how it works out for the "rest of us."

Edited June 29, 2020 by JackThompson

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Same type of academic "peers" who said the "protests" in the USA should not be stopped ... execpt for anti-lockdown protests?  I don't mock academic-methods in general - can be useful in purely scientific fields; but this has a heavy political-angle.  Throw in the influence of "grant money" from the likes of the Gates Foundation and similar, and  "academia" - much less the "Global Policy Lab at UC Berkeley" - is completely untrustworthy for such an analysis. 

To throw out the findings of a peer reviewed study based on unfounded accusations of grant money from Bill Gates, political bias and similar is really just an example of  burying your head in the sand. By all means be critical but base it on the actual study, its research methods and conclusions, look at its citations, its supplementary evidence then look at those you agree with or those that you find unacceptable. 

 

The costs of not having these measures in place I truly suspect would be far greater in terms of deaths and economic impact.

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

While correct to say there is no proof this virus is part of "their plan" - he linked to a real group with Billionaires supporting it, so the "they" isn't imaginary - nor are their goals.  It is safe to assume that with any even that occurs, "they" will attempt to craft a result to further their designs. 

 

Put another way, as a famous USA political-consultant once said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."  Huge Piles of lobbyist-written legislation in-waiting is "activated" with each significant event.  Look at what they passed immediately after 911 in the USA - doesn't mean they "planned the event," but they sure as heck did "capitalize" on it.

 

  

... and this ^^^ is how "they" get their way - no matter how it works out for the "rest of us."

Jeff Bezos is making a killing for sure.

[7fish]

6 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's magic "they" again, too many conspiracy theories will fry your brain or maybe the 5G rays will 555.

Well this was a reply to someone who obviously knows who 'they' are,   I don't have time to educate you you'll have to do that yourself, but to give you a clue it's a conglomerate of the very wealthy and their respective corporate entities.  I don't really know much about 5g but I do know it's a technology which uses millimeter 'waves' not 'rays'

 

Far too busy for conspiracy theories myself, and you would be well advised to spend less time looking at flat earth and other irrelevant mis directions and try and focus on the current scenario, remember, we are talking about the probable disastrous backlash to the lockdowns in terms of economy and society.

[Skallywag]

Never been pro-lockdown, yet the government here makes the decisions about that, not us.  

Short-long term outlook for all businesses built around tourism here is very bleak.  

Unfortunately many people will have to find other means of employment/income is the only solution I can think of.  I did it a few times in my life and it was never easy.  Here in LOS it is even harder to find work for the many who leave their rural/farming life to find better work and livelihoods in the cities.

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Skallywag

[geriatrickid]

8 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

There you go, who? Trump? I don’t really give a rats bottom about him, as you can easily see if you look at my posts here. 
 

But even Trump can say something sometimes which overlaps with what I’m saying, sure. But using that to accusing me, or other posters here, of having an agenda to promote Trump is a malicious imputation. Do you really need such tactics?

In your case, you offer Russian  disinformation talking points and rely on RT for your arguments. I see you as a Russian disruptor. You are successful at it as  the wackos have come out of the woodwork with their paranoid claims of plots.

 

8 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

It is absolutely ok to not talk about your employment. I wouldn‘t too. 
 

However you were claiming that you know better than other posters because you have a superior education. But then you refuse to specify what education. Imputing insecurity because I dare to ask that you follow up on this is is not helping. It is however typical for your posts, as I mentioned previously, to mix half-truths with insults, and then ramble on. 
 

So what is it, your education?

No, I had pointed out that you had not understood the nature of viruses and how they  develop. I notice that many are self proclaimed  experts in virology and immunology as well. Taking data out of context or referencing studies that one doesn't understand isn't intelligent discourse.

 

I have multiple university diplomas, two of which are graduate/post graduate. This will not change the fact that you do not understand basic cell biology. What it does mean, is that I usually comprehend a large part of the conclusions and much of the methodology in the  research papers cited and they are not what is often referred to by some in TVF. If it will shut you up, my master's research requirement was in applied health. I did rather well in that before I proceeded to doctoral level studies.

 

8 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Yet you look away when countries are discussed which achieved better results that Thailand and all lockdown countries, without a Thai style lockdown. The clear proof that it is indeed possible.

 

Looks to me as if you‘re the one so scared that you cannot think anymore, like so many. No surprise, my head starts to spin too if I listen to CNN for a while. 
 

Take a deep breath now, and discuss the question the OP posted, or go bickering elsewhere.

Try again. Your statement makes no sense. What are these countries  that have done much better than Thailand and what exactly did they do that was different? The general consensus is that Thailand has done very well and leads the world in its  management of the crisis. give credit where credit is due. The folks at the MoH and MoF  have been brilliant compared to the UK, USA, Russia etc.

 

8 hours ago, bodga said:

Does  it? what  percentage  of  those  admitted  to hospital have long  term problems?

Many countries have not published the data. The initial data indicates that

13.8% of infected  people had severe symptoms, and 6.1% had life-threatening episodes of respiratory failure, septic shock, or organ failure.  

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Note that this number is being modified due to the explosion of cases  in other countries. Now that some countries have exceeded their hospital capacity, the number will  change to reflect that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sezze]

You don't think that the leaders of any country worldwide doesn't know that a lockdown is disaster ? They do it decause it is/was needed , and many countries now are past that stage and are working to open up again . They can't reopen like before since the virus isn't gone  , but it's in control . So now all countries are working on schedules on how and when to open what . As long as there isn't a solution it will be dancing on a rope , trying to keep control , while on the other hand trying to have a normal as possible economy .

The OP question IMHO is by this completely wrong , since there are many colors between back and white , lockdown or no lockdown .

[tribalfusion001]

3 minutes ago, 7fish said:

Well this was a reply to someone who obviously knows who 'they' are,   I don't have time to educate you you'll have to do that yourself, but to give you a clue it's a conglomerate of the very wealthy and their respective corporate entities.  I don't really know much about 5g but I do know it's a technology which uses millimeter 'waves' not 'rays'

 

Far too busy for conspiracy theories myself, and you would be well advised to spend less time looking at flat earth and other irrelevant mis directions and try and focus on the current scenario, remember, we are talking about the probable disastrous backlash to the lockdowns in terms of economy and society.

I see nonsense on my Facebook feed and fact check some of it. One of the worst I've seen is George Floyd was at his own funeral and other nonsense about 5G. The "they" yes I know who they are and what they control.

 

I have my own theories about what could happen with these lockdowns and the current protests. I've been following the protests on live streams for the one's in the UK. One respected journalist Peter Hitchens has it spot on and I already thought the same. The protests certainly in the UK are morphing into revolutionary socialist agendas. I think with looming mass unemployment plus retail and hospitality suffering that it will lead to a new economic system with socialists taking over.

[JackThompson]

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

To throw out the findings of a peer reviewed study based on unfounded accusations of grant money from Bill Gates, political bias and similar is really just an example of  burying your head in the sand. By all means be critical but base it on the actual study, its research methods and conclusions, look at its citations, its supplementary evidence then look at those you agree with or those that you find unacceptable. 

It's not unfounded criticism, because academic research is based entirely on grant-money.  Small businesses dont fund academic-research.  Anyone who publishes results that aren't popular with those paying the bills, is out of a job/career.  As well, the politics in this event, and in this time, is unlike anything we've seen. 

 

To be clear, I don't trust anything from either side of the political spectrum.  The "anti-maskers" really crack me up.  I thought masks on public-transport was one of the only good things we got out of this.  And testing pre/post flights - no problem - swab away.  I hate getting colds and flus - not to mention, that travel-health infrastructure could be great to have, when a bug with a high mortality rate comes around.

 

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The costs of not having these measures in place I truly suspect would be far greater in terms of deaths and economic impact.

I wish there were a way to know that - honestly, I do.  But I saw the initial models - were 100% full of bull by orders of magnitude.  It is hard to believe they created all that unfounded fear "by accident" - nor believe this latest "peer reviewed" study, which is more of the same.  I could be wrong, but looks like "Cover Your A," after the fact, to justify the massive shutdown-blunder, to me.

Edited June 29, 2020 by JackThompson

[pathologix]

Nations and the global economy have always faced catastrophes that have significant economic effects: banking crises, wars, tsunamis, terrorist attacks, natural-resources scarcity, earthquakes, pandemics, etc. I'm not sure why the solutions to this crisis would be significantly different to those used during similar times of devastation and uncertainty. A mix of targeted stimulus, liquidity into financial markets, targeted debt forgiveness and a decade of economic pain. 

That pain would be dramatically lessened if this whole ordeal was over with as quickly as possible instead of letting it drag for years. If the entire world (or at least the countries with active cases) could properly do full lockdowns for four or five weeks and the globe virtually eliminated the disease, it would cause far less economic damage than the many, many months of this current trajectory. 

But that would require the kinds of international cooperation, respect for science/economics, personal responsibility and selflessness that our species seems incapable of. 

[pathologix]

1 hour ago, 7fish said:

which is what Sweden did, and they are fairing no worse than any country with lockdown,... except they still have an economy.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sweden-didnt-impose-a-lockdown-its-economy-is-just-as-bad-as-its-neighbors-who-did-2020-06-25

[Tropposurfer]

21 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

You have a political agenda that also includes your anti vaccination position. As such, you  have no interest in discussion of the Covid19  crisis. This is just another opportunity for you to push your political and social views. Yours is a US centric position.  

 

This disease is not about the death rate, and never has been. It is about the cost of the infection itself.  Covid 19 fills hospital beds and ICUs and it leaves large numbers of patients with long term damage. Because it is a highly infectious and complex illness, it requires hospitals to follow specific protocols and to divert resources and personnel that in turn  necessitates the suspension of activities that put vulnerable patients at risk. Because of its ability to cause physical harm, if left unchecked it will disrupt the economy and cause  shutdowns that would last far longer and be more extensive than the limited actions that were enacted to slow the spread of the disease. 

 

No one who  has understood and agreed with the limited measures taken in respect to the social distancing required, discounts the impact that such measures will have on society. The problems you are referring to are in large part specific to the USA economy. Other developed countries have taken exceptional measures to care for their general population and we do not see such problems in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Portugal, France etc.  

 

Yes, there are unemployed people, but there are now also new job opportunities. Yes some businesses  have  gone bankrupt. Many of them were already in serious trouble and it was only a question of time for some of them.  People were not shopping at malls or big box stores long before Covid19. The economy is changing and we will adapt.   

 

However, I do note that  Trump has been emphasizing that there will be a rash of suicides due to the economic situation. This is his new talking point which you have  obviously lapped up and now regurgitate for us here.  Please share with us the data in respect to this explosion of death. 

Borrowing from Monsieur Trumps playbook. I can only hope that his will be the only suicide we see.

[7fish]

1 hour ago, pathologix said:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sweden-didnt-impose-a-lockdown-its-economy-is-just-as-bad-as-its-neighbors-who-did-2020-06-25

I have a problem trusting John Hopkins data as it was their models, (wonder who funded those models?) that were used to justify the lockdowns, then later by their own admission, were shown to be wildly inaccurate, predicting millions of deaths that haven't happened. Yes Sweden has suffered economically but without all the restrictions being imposed on small business recovery is more a matter of public confidence in returning to normal. Most lockdown countries in the west aren't going back to 'normal' they are moving forward to a 'new normal' it's important to know what that 'new normal' represents and whose interests it serves.

 

but back to sweden:

 

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/covid-why-sweden-has-already-won-the-debate-on-covid-19-lockdown-policy/

Edited June 29, 2020 by 7fish
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[yuyiinthesky]

30 minutes ago, 7fish said:

I have a problem trusting John Hopkins data as it was their models, (wonder who funded those models?) that were used to justify the lockdowns, then later by their own admission, were shown to be wildly inaccurate, predicting millions of deaths that haven't happened. Yes Sweden has suffered economically but without all the restrictions being imposed on small business recovery is more a matter of public confidence in returning to normal. Most lockdown countries in the west aren't going back to 'normal' they are moving forward to a 'new normal' it's important to know what that 'new normal' represents and whose interests it serves.

 

but back to sweden:

 

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/covid-why-sweden-has-already-won-the-debate-on-covid-19-lockdown-policy/

Very impressive, this comparison, thanks.

[yuyiinthesky]

2 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Yes it's a plot.  Buy lots of aluminum foil to make yourself protective armor. 

I thought it must be tin? As you‘re the expert, please tell us, aluminium foil or tin foil?

[yuyiinthesky]

„I would love to hear your plans on how to feed unemployed people, how you plan to pay their rent, how you are going to deal with suicides due to unemployment, no food, no housing and all the wonderful things that go along with people experiencing what they are currently dealing with at the moment.„ - That was the question of the OP.
 

 Funny and sad to see so much bickering, despite the superior education of some heavy posters, but rarely a constructive answer to the original question.

[riclag]

11 hours ago, brain150 said:

Be aware of what is to come - this will not end well if people don't start to see the truth.

Who holds the media accountable!

[Kinnock]

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

"Infinitesimal?"  I don't know where you're getting your information, but I wouldn't be so certain.  COVID is new, but there's massive studies going on at the moment.  For instance...

 

[-Severe cases of COVID-19 can cause lasting damage to the lungs that may necessitate surgery or even organ transplants.

-While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in people who are older, fibrosis cases show that even young people who survive the disease can have lasting complications.

-A 20-year-old COVID-19 survivor in Chicago had a lung transplant that was necessary to treat a condition now being called post-COVID fibrosis.]

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/lifelong-lung-damage-the-serious-covid-19-complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s#Whos-at-risk?

 

We're all still learning, so even if I was a young person, I'd be vigilant.  We don't even know what we don't know.

All virus infections can have unusual symptoms in some people, the press is just being over dramatic to keep up the fear, as it helps their business model.

 

Infuenza also has similar rare cases, but like COVID only in a tiny % of the cases.

 

Old gashioned diseases like TB kill more people in total, and malaria kills more young people, but nobody cares as these diseases are not fashionable.

 

Consider the tiny probability not the scary looking total numbers, and remember that almost every report from medical researchers are intended to raise funding, so they have an agenda.

[tribalfusion001]

3 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

„I would love to hear your plans on how to feed unemployed people, how you plan to pay their rent, how you are going to deal with suicides due to unemployment, no food, no housing and all the wonderful things that go along with people experiencing what they are currently dealing with at the moment.„ - That was the question of the OP.
 

 Funny and sad to see so much bickering, despite the superior education of some heavy posters, but rarely a constructive answer to the original question.

I said a revolution all over the world, I love anarchy and it would really annoy a lot people with marxist BLM leading it 555

[Bkk Brian]

9 hours ago, JackThompson said:

It's not unfounded criticism, because academic research is based entirely on grant-money.  Small businesses dont fund academic-research.  Anyone who publishes results that aren't popular with those paying the bills, is out of a job/career.  As well, the politics in this event, and in this time, is unlike anything we've seen. 

 

To be clear, I don't trust anything from either side of the political spectrum.  The "anti-maskers" really crack me up.  I thought masks on public-transport was one of the only good things we got out of this.  And testing pre/post flights - no problem - swab away.  I hate getting colds and flus - not to mention, that travel-health infrastructure could be great to have, when a bug with a high mortality rate comes around.

 

I wish there were a way to know that - honestly, I do.  But I saw the initial models - were 100% full of bull by orders of magnitude.  It is hard to believe they created all that unfounded fear "by accident" - nor believe this latest "peer reviewed" study, which is more of the same.  I could be wrong, but looks like "Cover Your A," after the fact, to justify the massive shutdown-blunder, to me.

I accept some of your points, to be honest the original post is asking for answers on a predictive model that would have less effect on human suffering/economy etc. 

 

Its a loaded question that is far to complex to address in a forum without evidence to hand and taking into account all of the factors in making recommendations. We still have no idea how has this is panning out and all studies currently, be that academic or medical/scientific, tend to rely on best guesstimates because each of the variables researchers are using are subject to change.

 

All I am tending to do is look at what I consider to be the countries which currently have made the best progress. I am also anticipating that a vaccine will be available because if not then I would probably re evaluate my opinions.

[Berkshire]

11 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

„I would love to hear your plans on how to feed unemployed people, how you plan to pay their rent, how you are going to deal with suicides due to unemployment, no food, no housing and all the wonderful things that go along with people experiencing what they are currently dealing with at the moment.„ - That was the question of the OP.
 

 Funny and sad to see so much bickering, despite the superior education of some heavy posters, but rarely a constructive answer to the original question.

You are missing the key point.  The OP is asking "pro lockdown advocates" the question.  No such person exist. 

[yuyiinthesky]

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You are missing the key point.  The OP is asking "pro lockdown advocates" the question.  No such person exist. 

I would like to think so, looking at all the collateral damage lockdowns are causing.  Unfortunately that's not the impression I get when reading the posts here or watching the "news".

[mommysboy]

17 hours ago, Kinnock said:

All virus infections can have unusual symptoms in some people, the press is just being over dramatic to keep up the fear, as it helps their business model.

 

Infuenza also has similar rare cases, but like COVID only in a tiny % of the cases.

 

Old gashioned diseases like TB kill more people in total, and malaria kills more young people, but nobody cares as these diseases are not fashionable.

 

Consider the tiny probability not the scary looking total numbers, and remember that almost every report from medical researchers are intended to raise funding, so they have an agenda.

Ok, and I agree with much of what you write, but you are still left with the horrifying images/stories of people dying all at once.  That's not to be denied, or lightly dismissed.