Man arrested over toppling of statue English slave trader

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Protests becomes an offence when violence occurs and property gets damaged 

I'll leave it to the police investigators to obtain any evidence to prosecute them .

Well, they appear to have done that already, hence this topic. But going back to the point to which I initially responded, which was to 'bang em all up' - are we in agreement that that is a touch totalitarian? 

[Stadtler]

12 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Protest is a right, not an offence. Do you have evidence to suggest that those in the photo partook in disorderly behaviour?

 

How do you expect anyone of sane mind to take you seriously?  They are all involved in a crime.  It's a bit more than disorderly, but you should invite them over for tea and take your chances. 

 

No, Stadtler cannot take you seriously.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Stadtler

[northsouthdevide]

Ship him off to the colonies I say! 

[JonnyF]

They're all gradually backing away from the movement now they read the small print.

 

Classic left wing stupidity. Virtue signal first and work out what you're shaking your fist at later.

 

The premier league is backing away now as are many celebrities. Obviously no action will be taken for supporting a movement that supports removing capitalism, the nuclear family, the police etc. 

 

But if you oppose this stupidity you're cancelled.

 

2020 might be the dumbest year in human history.

 

 

[riclag]

8 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Nearly every single person in the photo is videoing it 

Is there technology that can be used through the group photo, to ID these thugs

[riclag]

9 hours ago, izod10 said:

Now the BLM has run out of steam, and by anyone who participated with the nutters and idiots demonstrating,a good and likely time to hide with embarrassment

 Hide ! lol ,Defund ,Defund. Look at all the monies that were donated to those revolutionist . Follow the money ,like the authority's  did to   ISIS and freeze it. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by riclag

[kingdong]

12 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

On what charges? 

criminal damage.

[Henryford]

Let's see what the penalty is, a 10 GBP fine !!

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, they were not part of the protests and disorder

 

11 hours ago, evadgib said:

Seizing all available footage will if plod gets off their Kyber and gets on with it.

nver mind acting after the event,the not so bold gendarmes should have stopped it getting torn down in the first place,not trolling through video footage weeks after the incident.

[Yinn]

13 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Nearly every single person in the photo is videoing it 

Er, this people know about the virus kill 50,000 UK people already, broke the the economy etc. 

 

Social distancing, wear the mask, stay home? 

The guy lie down, everybody spray spit together. 

Perfect way spread virus.

Gee.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

criminal damage.

Taking a photograph is classed as causing criminal damage now?

[RuamRudy]

6 hours ago, riclag said:

Is there technology that can be used through the group photo, to ID these thugs

They are taking photographs - the UK has many faults but has yet to make the taking of photographs in public places illegal. 

[steven100]

go after all the idiots who defaced, damaged or climbed historical monuments, statues or artifacts around the world. Charge them accordingly and throw them in jail.   imo

[steven100]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Er, this people know about the virus kill 50,000 UK people already, broke the the economy etc. 

 

Social distancing, wear the mask, stay home? 

The guy lie down, everybody spray spit together. 

Perfect way spread virus.

Gee.

 

 

have a look at them .... IQ total 145 ..... lol

[bluesofa]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Er, this people know about the virus kill 50,000 UK people already, broke the the economy etc. 

 

Social distancing, wear the mask, stay home? 

The guy lie down, everybody spray spit together. 

Perfect way spread virus.

Gee.

Forget Montezuma's revenge, this could be Colston's revenge.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

On what charges? 

Rioting and criminal damage.

[RuamRudy]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rioting and criminal damage.

I imagine this must be a bit like how a kindergarten teacher must feel...

 

The person I was replying to suggested that those who were taking photographs should be prosecuted. Since then, we have gone round in circles with angry old men venting their anger over the toppling of a statue, but none have actually been able to identify any criminal acts that these people who were witnessing this historic event took part in - because being present when a criminal act is taking place is not normally illegal in itself. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

I imagine this must be a bit like how a kindergarten teacher must feel...

 

The person I was replying to suggested that those who were taking photographs should be prosecuted. Since then, we have gone round in circles with angry old men venting their anger over the toppling of a statue, but none have actually been able to identify any criminal acts that these people who were witnessing this historic event took part in - because being present when a criminal act is taking place is not normally illegal in itself. 

Try that BS in Singapore. They don't have bands of thugs running around encouraging criminal behaviour.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I imagine this must be a bit like how a kindergarten teacher must feel...

 

The person I was replying to suggested that those who were taking photographs should be prosecuted. Since then, we have gone round in circles with angry old men venting their anger over the toppling of a statue, but none have actually been able to identify any criminal acts that these people who were witnessing this historic event took part in - because being present when a criminal act is taking place is not normally illegal in itself. 

Ha ha, we werent suggesting that they get arrested for taking photos , it was what they were doing prior to the photo being taken, the 56 policemen didnt injure themselves and that statue didnt jump of the plinth himself , and by the way, less of the ageist and sexist labeling , thanks .

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Try that BS in Singapore. They don't have bands of thugs running around encouraging criminal behaviour.

Yes, but until Bristol becomes part of Singapore, or until Singapore law becomes applicable to the people of Bristol, your point is irrelevant. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Yes, but until Bristol becomes part of Singapore, or until Singapore law becomes applicable to the people of Bristol, your point is irrelevant. 

Indeed it is, but I can wish, can't I? Sad to see the nation of Pax Britannica descend into chaos because its leaders are gutless.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Ha ha, we werent suggesting that they get arrested for taking photos , it was what they were doing prior to the photo being taken, the 56 policemen didnt injure themselves and that statue didnt jump of the plinth himself , and by the way, less of the ageist and sexist labeling , thanks .

Ha ha - are you the spokesperson for Bogda now? Has he and every other contributor to this thread confirmed to you their intentions when they commented? 

 

My point remains, the police are making arrests based upon the evidence available to them. Being present is not a crime. If you have evidence that all those in the picture actively assisted the assault on the police officers or partook in acts of criminal vandalism themselves then you have a civic duty to bring that evidence to the authorities. Otherwise, you are accusing people of criminality without any basis for it. 

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Ha ha - are you the spokesperson for Bogda now? Has he and every other contributor to this thread confirmed to you their intentions when they commented? 

 

My point remains, the police are making arrests based upon the evidence available to them. Being present is not a crime. If you have evidence that all those in the picture actively assisted the assault on the police officers or partook in acts of criminal vandalism themselves then you have a civic duty to bring that evidence to the authorities. Otherwise, you are accusing people of criminality without any basis for it. 

No, suggesting that people be arrested isn't accusing said people of criminality .

It works like this .

People get arrested > The prosecution provides evidence in Court >The defense gives their defense and the Judge then decides whether they are guilty or not .

  Its frustrating having to explain the basics 

[vogie]

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

Let's see what the penalty is, a 10 GBP fine !!

I read it today that the 18 year old has been let off with a police caution on proviso he attends a meeting to discuss the future of all the statues in the city. What a joke the police have become, these vandals are now deciding on our future heritage.

[Baerboxer]

14 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Ha ha - are you the spokesperson for Bogda now? Has he and every other contributor to this thread confirmed to you their intentions when they commented? 

 

My point remains, the police are making arrests based upon the evidence available to them. Being present is not a crime. If you have evidence that all those in the picture actively assisted the assault on the police officers or partook in acts of criminal vandalism themselves then you have a civic duty to bring that evidence to the authorities. Otherwise, you are accusing people of criminality without any basis for it. 

 

Those filmed earlier and here causing damage or assaulting police or others should be identified and brought to justice.

 

Those filming events, are simply filming something. However, what could be interesting is if they are identified and asked to submit those films to the police as evidence. Failure to do so could be interpreted as obstruction. But I doubt the Avon and Somerset police will go down that road. One or two token arrests, police cautions, maybe prosecutions of Boris or Pritti gob off. 

 

Filming an accident, could get you in bother though. 

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

I read it today that the 18 year old has been let off with a police caution on proviso he attends a meeting to discuss the future of all the statues in the city. What a joke the police have become, these vandals are now deciding on our future heritage.

 

It is a joke. Accepting a police caution is taken as an admission of guilt and remains on police records. Bet that's really scared him!

 

Now he gets to attend a nice meeting, where he can be treated like an important person rather than a criminal.

 

No wonder the confidence in the police is at an all time low. I've heard so many stories about the UK police - they now are like a politically correct version of the Keystone Cops.

[RuamRudy]

17 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, suggesting that people be arrested isn't accusing said people of criminality .

It works like this .

People get arrested > The prosecution provides evidence in Court >The defense gives their defense and the Judge then decides whether they are guilty or not .

  Its frustrating having to explain the basics 

Did that actually make sense in your head as you typed it? If so, no wonder you are frustrated. Thankfully, the real world in which we all live is much less dystopian than you describe. You see, you missed out a critical step in the process - people get arrested based upon evidence. Oh - and judges don't decide the guilt or otherwise of a defendant. We have trials by jury in the UK. 

[bodga]

16 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

On what charges? 

Stupidity

[bodga]

16 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

revealing historical truths..

How  far back do  you want to go? 100-200, 1000000 years?

[sungod]

Plenty of video footage of people cheering and egging the mindless vandals on, encouraging a crime is an offense is it not?