Man arrested over toppling of statue English slave trader

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Go on burst my bubble why don't you????????????555

Seems like you are just trying to find a girlfriend , whether it be on tinder , Thailand or in Spain or a complete revaluation in the UK , where ethic girls will find you to be attractive ?  

[Kadilo]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Seems like you are just trying to find a girlfriend , whether it be on tinder , Thailand or in Spain or a complete revaluation in the UK , where ethic girls will find you to be attractive ?  

 Mystic smeg strikes again. 

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Seems like you are just trying to find a girlfriend , whether it be on tinder , Thailand or in Spain or a complete revaluation in the UK , where ethic girls will find you to be attractive ?  

Your so cynical and no one is going near anyone due to the dreaded lurgy! I'm not into British black or white girls...????

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/5/2020 at 9:39 PM, RuamRudy said:

Well I don't post here because I think I am going to change the world. Is that your motivation?

Trolling is not only bad manners but against forum rules.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Too many of the unfunded needs of society have been fobbed off on the cops.  Instead of child protective care and family counselling, we send in the cops.  Instead of funding mental health resources, we send in the cops (and spend $$$ billions incarcerating folks who would do fine if only they could afford their meds)  Neighbors having a snit over a fence line?  Send in the cops.  People parked illegally?  Send in the armed cops to write tickets.  

 

Defunding (in general) isn't about doing away with the cops.  It's about relieving them of duties they were never intended to do.  Duties that get fobbed off on them because there isn't enough public money to fund more cost effective solutions to sending in an armed cop and locking people up at a huge cost to society.  It's about freeing them up from those duties so they can focus on what most of society really wants from our cops. 

 

Given they don't have enough money to pay for all those social workers how is it proposed to fund them? Put up taxes? The protestors don't care as they are welfare recipients and don't work for a living.

Of course it could be that not enough want to be a social worker given the sort of people they have to deal with. I would never do that job, so respect to those that do.

[englishoak]

Need to purge the UK of all things Roman ... they started it... 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Need to purge the UK of all things Roman ... they started it... 

I blame the Druids.

BTW wearing blueface has to be racist against blue people.

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[englishoak]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Given they don't have enough money to pay for all those social workers how is it proposed to fund them? Put up taxes? The protestors don't care as they are welfare recipients and don't work for a living.

Of course it could be that not enough want to be a social worker given the sort of people they have to deal with. I would never do that job, so respect to those that do.

Just for the record,I know 3 social workers although they do specialise and its London with benefits, bonuses and allowances all have earnings over 100k apiece, shocked the heck out of me it did. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Just for the record,I know 3 social workers although they do specialise and its London with benefits, bonuses and allowances all have earnings over 100k apiece, shocked the heck out of me it did. 

Have to bribe people to do unpleasant jobs. They probably deserve it.

BTW nurses in London don't earn anywhere near that and they save people's lives. Strange world we live in.

[faraday]

100k for (in my experience) some lefty, vegan social worker, who knows eff all?!

 

Band 6 Nurses only get £32k....summat wrong 'ere.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, faraday said:

100k for (in my experience) some lefty, vegan social worker, who knows eff all?!

 

Band 6 Nurses only get £32k....summat wrong 'ere.

Yes, something is very wrong. Nurses get the shaft ignored because they are a female dominated trade and don't go on strike. I've been through all that. I don't miss nursing at all- too many bully ( female ) managers. People have no idea of the reality.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given they don't have enough money to pay for all those social workers how is it proposed to fund them? Put up taxes? The protestors don't care as they are welfare recipients and don't work for a living.

Of course it could be that not enough want to be a social worker given the sort of people they have to deal with. I would never do that job, so respect to those that do.

By 'defunding police' i.e. transitioning police from social services like activities and reallocating the staffing head count costs to social services - at least that is the idea. Whether this equates to reducing police staffing numbers or keeping police resources for additional focus on crime and security related activities thereby reducing overall cost of crime within society, don't know.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

By 'defunding police' i.e. transitioning police from social services like activities and reallocating the staffing head count costs to social services - at least that is the idea. Whether this equates to reducing police staffing numbers or keeping police resources for additional focus on crime and security related activities thereby reducing overall cost of crime within society, don't know.

They used to have a crime reduction policy- the beat cop. Since they vanished crime has proliferated.

I can't see them requiring less cops so more social workers would be an extra cost, though there may not be enough people willing to go in harms way with no police powers. Fire fighters and ambulance crews won't go in some areas without police escort.

[transam]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

By 'defunding police' i.e. transitioning police from social services like activities and reallocating the staffing head count costs to social services - at least that is the idea. Whether this equates to reducing police staffing numbers or keeping police resources for additional focus on crime and security related activities thereby reducing overall cost of crime within society, don't know.

But, BLM don't want the police de-funded for those tech reasons, they just want cops off the streets, so they can do as they please. The ass soles of society want change, a change in their direction, so they can get away with more of their stuff..

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trolling is not only bad manners but against forum rules.

Indeed it is. If you are suggesting that I am guilty of it then I suggest that you do your civic duty and present it to the moderators. Otherwise, please stop trolling me. 

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Indeed it is. If you are suggesting that I am guilty of it then I suggest that you do your civic duty and present it to the moderators. Otherwise, please stop trolling me. 

Back on topic RR ????

 

Jen Reid: Black Lives Matter statue to go from Colston plinth

 

I'm tempted to submit an FoI request to the appropriate authorities to find out how much this is costing (we) taxpayers and what steps they'll take to recoup the loss from all perpetrators including a complicit channel 4. 

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by evadgib

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They used to have a crime reduction policy- the beat cop. Since they vanished crime has proliferated.

I can't see them requiring less cops so more social workers would be an extra cost, though there may not be enough people willing to go in harms way with no police powers. Fire fighters and ambulance crews won't go in some areas without police escort.

To remind you, it wasn’t a left wing Home Secretary that  got rid of 20,000 police officers in the face of warnings that  crime would inevitably increase.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

 

Jen Reid: Black Lives Matter statue to go from Colston plinth

 

I'm tempted to submit an FoI request to the appropriate authorities to find out how much this is costing (we) taxpayers and what steps they'll take to recoup the loss from all perpetrators including a complicit channel 4. 

 

For this specific statue or the whole affair? I must admit, I am torn as to what should be done about it. As with everything else now, there is a tendency to paint every reaction as either black or white (unfortunate turn of phrase, but  you know what I mean). I can empathise with the point of view of those who say that the glorification of tainted individuals needs to be considered, but I am loathe to see the wholesale destruction of historic monuments.

 

This was done in Edinburgh last week: 

New signs appear around Edinburgh's Melville Monument outlining Henry Dundas' involvement in the slave trade

 

As evidenced on Twitter, it has satisfied some (me included) but there are others who still feel that nothing short of removing the statue entirely is acceptable. 

 

Good to know, however, that I am not alone in being somewhere in the middle between the two extremes. 

[evadgib]

30 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

For this specific statue or the whole affair?

I'll start with the salvage, restoration and storage costs of the original statue.

[billd766]

On 7/2/2020 at 7:13 PM, laosnative said:

Should have been arrested whilst in the act........

But our brave Bobbies did not want to cause undue stress to these peaceful protesters........And they are still taking the knee.......Makes me so proud.......

Did it not occur to you that police on the streets take their orders and instructions from their Chief Constables who in turn are "politically advised" by the government?

 

Has anybody on the forum ever been a policeman of any rank?

 

I used to work with the Surrey police force many years ago when the police were respected but I wouldn't want that job now. Imagine that your are starting your patrol now and wondering if when your patrol ends you haven't been spat on, assaulted, injured in any way.

 

Meanwhile at home your wife children see and hear the news that at a riot in her area several policemen or women have been seriously injured. No names are given until the next of kin hand been informed. Then there is a knock on the door, the wife opens it to find several senior police officers with sad looks on their faces.

 

And tomorrow you have to go through it all again.

 

Would any of the keyboard warriors even try to do that job? I doubt if many of them could.

Edited July 16, 2020 by billd766
Damn predictive speller

[billd766]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I blame the Druids.

BTW wearing blueface has to be racist against blue people.

 

Leave the Smurfs out of this please.

[evadgib]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

I'll start with the salvage, restoration and storage costs of the original statue.

TAKEN DOWN BLM sculpture of Jen Reid that replaced toppled Edward Colston statue is REMOVED

[laosnative]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

Did it not occur to you that police on the streets take their orders and instructions from their Chief Constables who in turn are "politically advised" by the government?

 

Has anybody on the forum ever been a policeman of any rank?

 

I used to work with the Surrey police force many years ago when the police were respected but I wouldn't want that job now. Imagine that your are starting your patrol now and wondering if when your patrol ends you haven't been spat on, assaulted, injured in any way.

 

Meanwhile at home your wife children see and hear the news that at a riot in her area several policemen or women have been seriously injured. No names are given until the next of kin hand been informed. Then there is a knock on the door, the wife opens it to find several senior police officers with sad looks on their faces.

 

And tomorrow you have to go through it all again.

 

Would any of the keyboard warriors even try to do that job? I doubt if many of them could.

You are preaching to the converted,,,,,,

I was also a 23 year serving officer, and I can say that during my service, up to 2001, I will say this.

My senior officers back then would back us rank and file bobbies, and not be influenced in any way by any political agenda, Back then we had the ways and means act.........It was duly enforced to protect the rank and file, Then came P.A.C.E. act 1974 and we were handcuffed with our own cuffs, 

My my how things have changed ........  

[impulse]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given they don't have enough money to pay for all those social workers how is it proposed to fund them? Put up taxes? The protestors don't care as they are welfare recipients and don't work for a living.

Of course it could be that not enough want to be a social worker given the sort of people they have to deal with. I would never do that job, so respect to those that do.

 

I don't suppose you figure any of those protesters are furloughed workers due to Covid?  Or people who took time out of their busy work day to protest?

 

Or that "defunding the police" would free up any cash to pay for more cost effective ways of dealing with societal problems?  I have respect for the cops, as well.  But they aren't the best solution for a lot of what we dump on them because we've cut other social and infrastructure spending so much.

 

The problem with thinking like yours is that, to a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.  It's much the same with militarized cops.  To them, bigger problems just call for bigger hammers.  When sometimes, all you really needed was a little oil on the hinges- before it got so bad that you have to hammer on it.

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by impulse