Angering China, Australia suspends extradition treaty with Hong Kong, extends visas

[Burma Bill]

17 hours ago, samran said:

Credit where credit is due. Good work by the Australian government. 

Yes indeed, congratulations Australia (also Canada and New Zealand) - keep at it!!!

[Dumbastheycome]

25 minutes ago, car720 said:

Oh, you don't mean aerial ping pong, do you?

lol. Apt description !

[Eric Loh]

11 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Indeed, may be you can get the CCP to respect the citizens of Hong Kong and their wishes. And while you're at it, also respect that Taiwan is an independent country.

Australia, UK and USA should respect that Hong Kong and Taiwan are China domestic issues. 

[samran]

48 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Australia, UK and USA should respect that Hong Kong and Taiwan are China domestic issues. 

China has no issue with trying to influence other countries domestic issues. You really need to stop being so precious. 

[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, samran said:

China has no issue with trying to influence other countries domestic issues. You really need to stop being so precious. 

Economic influences are between 2 consenting countries not political interferences in these cases that are arbitrarily initiated bilaterally. You do know the difference or do you. 

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Australia, UK and USA should respect that Hong Kong and Taiwan are China domestic issues. 

Like it or not, Taiwan is an independent country.
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

 

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[samran]

49 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Economic influences are between 2 consenting countries not political interferences in these cases that are arbitrarily initiated bilaterally. You do know the difference or do you. 

Using economics to influence politics... same same, albeit indirectly. 
 

That they’ve had Australian politicians on both sides in their debt (both literally and figuratively) is a little more direct and all on the public record. 

 

That they are having a dummy spit over Huawei being banned, or the UK offering residency, then it shows they are up to their neck in domestic meddling. 

As your response shows, China is very thin skinned. 

Edited July 11, 2020 by samran

[JonnyF]

This is the correct stance from the Aussies and I commend them.

 

Unfortunately due to years of poor decisions by Australian governments they are very vulnerable and China could quite easily kneecap them economically.

 

I would suggest they sign a post Brexit free trade deal with the UK ASAP, we will be happy to help them out after China leaves them in the lurch.

Edited July 11, 2020 by JonnyF

[samran]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

This is the correct stance from the Aussies and I commend them.

 

Unfortunately due to years of poor decisions by Australian governments they are very vulnerable and China could quite easily kneecap them economically.

 

I would suggest they sign a post Brexit free trade deal with the UK ASAP, we will be happy to help them out after China leaves them in the lurch.

Unfortunately Australia has been blinded by the rivers of dosh coming out of China and have now realised that they price they were paying was higher than expected. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Like it or not, Taiwan is an independent country.
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

 

Independence can only be decided by the Taiwanese people themselves. The island is torn between 2 sides of pro independence and “one-China“ principle factions. It has to be done through referendum. You don’t have a vote. 

[Boomer6969]

Proud to be a "Boomer"... 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Independence can only be decided by the Taiwanese people themselves. The island is torn between 2 sides of pro independence and “one-China“ principle factions. It has to be done through referendum. You don’t have a vote. 

 

Do you?

[yuyiinthesky]

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Independence can only be decided by the Taiwanese people themselves. The island is torn between 2 sides of pro independence and “one-China“ principle factions. It has to be done through referendum. You don’t have a vote. 

You worded that incorrectly. Taiwan is already an independent country, they do not need to decide for independence. They could of course decide to join CCP China, that is up to them. Quite unlikely though.

 

Now let‘s apply your proposal also to Hong Kong, and let the people of Hong Kong decide about their independence!

 

 

[Logosone]

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Two-way trade between the countries was worth A$235 billion last year.

So smart move then by Australia. And for what, the illusion that Australia matters on a global scale? It has a population of 25 million. That's two Belgiums. Why not take the billions and shut the hell up?

 

I don't see the point in this. It's not like Australia can stand up to Ukraine, let alone China. Stupid move Oz.

[sherwood]

Knock China out of the game now and stop fooling about.

Sink there ships now before they build more. Destroy the aircraft and above all take out the leaders of this virus on humanity. No mercy.

Well that is what I think and not afraid to say it. 

 

Give us a hand here US, you know you want to.

[impulse]

On 7/9/2020 at 7:37 AM, simple1 said:

Australia has skills shortages A component for successful application will be to match up with identified skills shortages within Australia.  Also Australia requires foreign investment funds, it will interesting to see if PRC will permit H.K. citizens transfer of funds by those seeking residency and opportunity in Oz. 

 

Whenever I read about a "skills shortage" it usually means a lack of people willing to work for what the employers want to pay them.  Which, of course, is a great excuse to import low wage talent.  Here's an experiment.  Offer a million AUD a year for a position.  Any position.  Then see if you don't have local people clamoring to get into Uni to learn that skill. 

 

Of course, the prospect of getting $200K into student debt to get a degree in a skillset that offers a $50K salary leaves a "skills shortage".  And if corporations couldn't fill it with cheap, imported employees, they'd have to offer a more attractive salary to entice the locals.

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by impulse

[lee b]

China is a joke now, I hope they collapse like an IKEA wardrobe soon. They deserve it.

[impulse]

2 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

You might want to brush up your history lessons. The complete American continent belongs to the native Americans, the Red Indians. So if giving back is the issue, then they are the ones to receive.

And the Chinese mainland, the CCP did take it from whom? Ah yes, the ones sitting in Taiwan now. Give it back to them, ok?

 

Gotta dig deeper than that...  The Sioux took land away from the Crow, who had taken it from the Blackfoot, who had taken it from...  It's not as if there were an idyllic, peaceful culture that the white guys usurped.  They just happened to be better at it than the natives.  (Who, BTW, tortured, enslaved and ethnically cleansed their rival tribes for millennia)

 

Don't get me wrong.  What happened was despicable.  But it's no different than what they'd been doing to each other for hundreds of generations, but with better technology.

 

Edit:  I may have gotten the Blackfoot/Crow/Sioux chronology wrong, but the concept is accurate.

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by impulse

[daveAustin]

On 7/9/2020 at 11:55 AM, snoop1130 said:

Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Morrison's government should change course and stop interfering in Chinese affairs

These cpc mouthpieces always spout this garbage. Just wish they would take your own advice and get their dirty paws out of EVERYWHERE! The UK had the same spiel last week after Boris basically invited all of HK over.

Best way to stick it to the cpc is to read the packet and not buy anything made in China. The ONLY reason they are as relatively rich as they are now is through western companies setting up there and normal people buying things cheaper.

[Meat Pie 47]

1 minute ago, daveAustin said:

These cpc mouthpieces always spout this garbage. Just wish they would take your own advice and get their dirty paws out of EVERYWHERE! The UK had the same spiel last week after Boris basically invited all of HK over.

Best way to stick it to the cpc is to read the packet and not buy anything made in China. The ONLY reason they are as relatively rich as they are now is through western companies setting up there and normal people buying things cheaper.

Easy to say I live in OZ and I go to Bunnings very often but every thing they sell

is made in China apart from paint which is made in OZ.

[Meat Pie 47]

Every body in Australia says we need China for our export (wrong) China needs Australia

more than we need them, stop importing cheap cars from China stop them from buying

our land and houses stop importing and selling anything from China

[mike787]

Angering CHINA???????  They have been <deleted> off since the beginning...come on...

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[Odysseus123]

21 hours ago, Logosone said:

I don't see the point in this. It's not like Australia can stand up to Ukraine, let alone China. Stupid move Oz.

Funnily enough-I agree with you and I am Australian.

 

We do like to go charging off..usually at the request of our colonial masters..

 

The Sudan (UK)

The Boer War (UK)

The Great War (UK)

The 2nd big one (UK)

Korea (US but with UN backing)

Vietnam (US)

Afghanistan (US)

Iraq..(US)

 

We did semi manage to pull off one on our own-Timor.(UN)

 

Australia didn't even declare war on Germany in World War 2 as it was deemed sufficient that the British had done so already-the day before.

 

Morrison should pull his head in and try a little diplomacy but,alas,he's about as dumb and parochial as the electorate he leads.

[simple1]

13 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Every body in Australia says we need China for our export (wrong) China needs Australia

more than we need them, stop importing cheap cars from China stop them from buying

our land and houses stop importing and selling anything from China

Which country do you suggest could replace the raw materials and foodstuff Oz exports to China, who will replace Chinese imports - Vietnam? Ain't going to be the US, maybe the EU for exports, but it would take a long time and the Oz economy will further suffer. Oz has dug itself a deep hole by insufficient investing and transitioning to a 'smart country'. IMO the development of the Israeli economy is a good example of a 'smart country'.

[Logosone]

44 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Funnily enough-I agree with you and I am Australian.

 

We do like to go charging off..usually at the request of our colonial masters..

 

The Sudan (UK)

The Boer War (UK)

The Great War (UK)

The 2nd big one (UK)

Korea (US but with UN backing)

Vietnam (US)

Afghanistan (US)

Iraq..(US)

 

We did semi manage to pull off one on our own-Timor.(UN)

 

Australia didn't even declare war on Germany in World War 2 as it was deemed sufficient that the British had done so already-the day before.

 

Morrison should pull his head in and try a little diplomacy but,alas,he's about as dumb and parochial as the electorate he leads.

I have great respect for Australian courage. In a romantic sort of a way it is an admirable thing to do to stand up to China.

 

But Australia had a great thing going with China. Over 200 billion AUD worth of trade is huge.

 

Who is supposed to buy more than AUD 79 billion in iron ore, gas and coal from Australia if China doesn't?

 

The EU? Those are commodities only in demand in countries that need those resources for manufacturing. Selling gas to the EU is not viable. Nor to the USA or India.

 

Chinese students were the number one source of international students, with the services export market worth AUD 11.7 billion in 2018. Then there's Chinese buying of Australian agricultural products. China bought ONE QUARTER of all of Australia's agricultural produce. China is the BIGGEST buyer of Australian agricultural products. By 2050 China will account for 43% of the world total global growth in agricultural demand.

 

And these are the people you want to step on? Your biggest customers? What effect will cancelling this treaty with Hong Kong have, apart from annoying the Chinese? Not very much.

 

It doesn't look like a smart move. Courageous, sure. But what will Australia gain? What will it lose? Has someone done a cost analysis of this?

 

 

 

 

[Bassosa]

1 hour ago, Odysseus123 said:

Funnily enough-I agree with you and I am Australian.

 

We do like to go charging off..usually at the request of our colonial masters..

 

The Sudan (UK)

The Boer War (UK)

The Great War (UK)

The 2nd big one (UK)

Korea (US but with UN backing)

Vietnam (US)

Afghanistan (US)

Iraq..(US)

 

We did semi manage to pull off one on our own-Timor.(UN)

 

Australia didn't even declare war on Germany in World War 2 as it was deemed sufficient that the British had done so already-the day before.

 

Morrison should pull his head in and try a little diplomacy but,alas,he's about as dumb and parochial as the electorate he leads.

Ah "diplomacy" with China. Sounds cute!

[samran]

14 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Funnily enough-I agree with you and I am Australian.

 

We do like to go charging off..usually at the request of our colonial masters..

 

The Sudan (UK)

The Boer War (UK)

The Great War (UK)

The 2nd big one (UK)

Korea (US but with UN backing)

Vietnam (US)

Afghanistan (US)

Iraq..(US)

 

We did semi manage to pull off one on our own-Timor.(UN)

 

Australia didn't even declare war on Germany in World War 2 as it was deemed sufficient that the British had done so already-the day before.

 

Morrison should pull his head in and try a little diplomacy but,alas,he's about as dumb and parochial as the electorate he leads.

Not sure I agree. There is a lot more than dumb parochialism going on here and diplomacy with China hasn’t worked. They are on a mission to <deleted> everyone off at the moment and Australia needs to learn to play hard ball where it can. 
 

Im not advocating all out war but in the short to medium term Australia is going to have to swiftly refocus its trading arrangements to be less China centric. 
 

I’m all for a strong relationship with Asia, from time to time try to help out on that front, but even I am uncomfortable with the level of Chinese underhandness on one hand, and territorial arrogance on the other. 
 

Arbitrary arrests of Canadian, Australian and other nations businesses people simply due to China’s unhappiness to be used as diplomatic pawns provides a pretty clear example of what we are dealing with. 
 

And Australian business was up to its neck facilitating China. The scene of having iron ore magnate Twiggy Forrest bring along the Chinese vice consul to crash Greg Hunts press conference a few weeks back was pretty disgusting in my book. 
 

That the mining industry will suffer because of this, I don’t care. They’re our version of big pharma and have stymied reform in Australia on tax and environmental policy for the past two decades, so I’m not crying for them. 
 

[Logosone]

52 minutes ago, samran said:

Im not advocating all out war but in the short to medium term Australia is going to have to swiftly refocus its trading arrangements to be less China centric. 
 

Easily said, "refocus trading arrangements", not so easily done in market reality where China buys 25% of Australia's agricultural produce, 70 billion USD of commodities.

 

It's not just commodities. Across the board, services, education, agriculture, Australia is dependent on Chinese money.

 

Who would buy the 25% of agricultural output? 70 billion of commodities?

 

Easily said. Not so easily done.