U.S. Supreme Court rebuffs Trump's immunity claim, lets prosecutor get financial records

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, jimmybcool said:

But this isn't the IRS asking him.  They already have them and one has to assume in his tax bracket audit them every year.  It is his political opponents asking for them so they can sift through with a fine toothed comb and find ANYTHING that could be spun as illegal or unethical.  Just as they have done over and over again with other issues.  Like the latest bogus assault about Russians putting bounties on our troops.  Or the original Russian collusion.  

 

But heck, I'm OK with he being forced to show them.  Just so long as we understand it goes both ways.  I want to see Biden's sons returns.  I want Obamas college transcripts opened up.  Kerry's military records unsealed.  If we are going to seriously do due diligence on Trump open it wide up.  And let's have a serious inquiry into Hillary's use of a private server, and Benghazi........

 

The funniest thing in all this is the right wingers who thought Hillary would go to jail.  And now the left wingers think Trump is going to jail.  ????????

Another enquiry in Benghazi and the server, presumably again by her political opponents? Has been done quite a few times already.

 

Trump's taxes may show ties to special interest groups, they may show irregularities the IRS is not looking at. I think Obama's school records are of a different importance.

 

Biden's son returns, why? If you want family of a presidential candidate looked at, the present 1st family won't be too fond of that.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

But this isn't the IRS asking him.  They already have them and one has to assume in his tax bracket audit them every year.  It is his political opponents asking for them so they can sift through with a fine toothed comb and find ANYTHING that could be spun as illegal or unethical.  Just as they have done over and over again with other issues.  Like the latest bogus assault about Russians putting bounties on our troops.  Or the original Russian collusion.  

 

But heck, I'm OK with he being forced to show them.  Just so long as we understand it goes both ways.  I want to see Biden's sons returns.  I want Obamas college transcripts opened up.  Kerry's military records unsealed.  If we are going to seriously do due diligence on Trump open it wide up.  And let's have a serious inquiry into Hillary's use of a private server, and Benghazi........

 

The funniest thing in all this is the right wingers who thought Hillary would go to jail.  And now the left wingers think Trump is going to jail.  ????????

 

 

 

 

I want to see Nancy Pelosi's financial records. She seems to have done rather well for someone that never had a proper job.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I want to see Nancy Pelosi's financial records. She seems to have done rather well for someone that never had a proper job.

Shameless deflection.

She's not running for president.

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You trying to tell us that Trump did his own tax return?

Well you could try using his own words.

 

He know more about tax than his accountants. He knows more about debt than anyone. He loves debt.

 

Or he could say he hardly knows his accountants, only met them once.

 

In any event, try telling the IRS that because you didnt do the returns personally that its not your fault. See how far that gets you.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I want to see Nancy Pelosi's financial records. She seems to have done rather well for someone that never had a proper job.

Oh I’m sure they are available lol otherwise old Donald would be having another twitter tantrum and sniveling about beeing the biggest victim ever lol the dudes a dirty little monkey and soon very soon he will be exposed just as soon as he’s run out of the White House 

[candide]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I want to see Nancy Pelosi's financial records. She seems to have done rather well for someone that never had a proper job.

Shameless deflection, as noticed by Jingthing

Here it is, BTW

http://clerk.house.gov/public_disc/financial-pdfs/2016/10015814.pdf

 

So we have records from Clinton (both), Biden, Pelosi, etc...  

Why is it that Trump's financial information must be kept secret? 

Nothing to fear, nothing to hide! ????????????????????

 

[piewarmer]

After this could we have disclosure of ALL financial records for those involved in the white house and both houses, it would be fascinating

Auditors need to ask questions about where some of these fortunes came from

Edited July 11, 2020 by piewarmer

[mtls2005]

The extent to which the president is going to protect the financial records indicates that the information contained therein is particularly damaging to his freedom, legacy (cough/spit), family (like he cares, OK, maybe Ivanka) and company.

 

That said, he's got to know that it will eventually come out, so he's stuck stewing in his own vat of paranoia.

 

Can't ever see anything be named after him, save for the odd Institute for the Criminally Insane, in Alabama.

 

He will forever and ever be remembered as a failure. And pesented as such in future Broadway plays and Hollywood films, like his mentor Roy Cohn.

 

The word "trump" will become both a noun and a verb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2020 by mtls2005

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, candide said:

Shameless deflection, as noticed by Jingthing

Here it is, BTW

http://clerk.house.gov/public_disc/financial-pdfs/2016/10015814.pdf

 

So we have records from Clinton (both), Biden, Pelosi, etc...  

Why is it that Trump's financial information must be kept secret? 

Nothing to fear, nothing to hide! ????????????????????

 

Applies to all in government or no one, IMO. Even the dogcatcher should have records published.

In the real world we understand that it doesn't matter if a rich person's tax records are published as they pay lotsacash to clever accountants to hide the real stuff. IMO no one really cares about Trump's taxes- they are just using them as another stick to beat him with. 3 1/2 years and umpteen sticks later still have nothing to show for it, LOL.

4 more years.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

The extent to which the president is going to protect the financial records indicates that the information contained therein is particularly damaging to his freedom, legacy (cough/spit), family (like he cares, OK, maybe Ivanka) and company.

 

That said, he's got to know that it will eventually come out, so he's stuck stewing in his own vat of paranoia.

 

Can't ever see anything be named after him, save for the odd Institute for the Criminally Insane, in Alabama.

 

He will forever and ever be remembered as a failure. And pesented as such in future Broadway plays and Hollywood films, like his mentor Roy Cohn.

 

The word "trump" will become both a noun and a verb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL.

More likely IMO is that he's just taunting his opponents and when they come out after the election they'll be just another nothing burger to add to the mountain of them.

[Phoenix Rising]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL.

More likely IMO is that he's just taunting his opponents and when they come out after the election they'll be just another nothing burger to add to the mountain of them.

Yeah....OK.....totally convincing!

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

More likely IMO is that he's just taunting his opponents and when they come out after the election they'll be just another nothing burger to add to the mountain of them.

 

4D chess?

 

Yeah, right.

 

 

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts have been removed. 

[jimmybcool]

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Shameless deflection.

She's not running for president.

I don't see how it is deflection.  If people want Trumps tax records to search for corruption or influence then Pelosi should also be fair game.  She wields enormous power as SOTH and has been in congress for a long time. If she is being influenced by Russia or China etc we need to know.

 

I say change the law and make it mandatory for every member of congress and presidents to have open financial records.  And if there is even an inkling of corruption by their family benefiting from inside information or influence (ala Trump Jr or Biden's son) open them up too.  I take no side.  I want to clean out corruption of any stripe.

 

 

 

 

 

[jcsmith]

The Pelosi stuff is just him trying to deflect. Not only is Pelosi not running for president, but she is also not fighting to keep them private. Nor did she lie to the public about not being able to release them because she was under audit. Nor has she had any criminal investigations or scandals which would merit needing her tax returns. Nor has she promised the public in the past that she would release them. Trump did. He promised people that once his fictitious audit was finished he'd release them. Now four years later he's doing everything in his power to keep from releasing them.

 

Why is that? What is he hiding?

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, jcsmith said:

The Pelosi stuff is just him trying to deflect. Not only is Pelosi not running for president, but she is also not fighting to keep them private. Nor did she lie to the public about not being able to release them because she was under audit. Nor has she had any criminal investigations or scandals which would merit needing her tax returns. Nor has she promised the public in the past that she would release them. Trump did. He promised people that once his fictitious audit was finished he'd release them. Now four years later he's doing everything in his power to keep from releasing them.

 

Why is that? What is he hiding?

Doesn't matter if Trump releases them or not. If there's nothing bad in them the haters will just say that he's been hiding the bad stuff, and there can't be anything illegal or the IRS would already have done something about that.

 

If I were Trump, and had suffered all the garbage and <deleted> that's been heaped on him for the past 4 years I'd be trying to keep them secret just for a bit of payback. Given by the hysteria it does seem to be working.

[teatime101]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't matter if Trump releases them or not...trying to keep them secret just for a bit of payback

Why has he refused to release them for 4 years, then? No particular reason? No-one believes that. And you think he should now withhold them out of spite? 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, teatime101 said:

Why has he refused to release them for 4 years, then? No particular reason? No-one believes that. And you think he should now withhold them out of spite? 

Yes.

[Eric Loh]

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given by the hysteria it does seem to be working.

Who hysterical? He had a melt down after hearing the supreme court ruling and went into a twitter tirade. 

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-throws-fit-over-scotus-ruling-on-his-tax-returns

[Walker88]

You know full well that being the Narcissist that he is, if 45's tax returns actually were impressive and showed him to be the successful business person he pretends to be, he would already have signed an Executive Order mandating they be required reading in all US Public Schools.

 

As for his 'immunity', perhaps someone should inform him that those guys Jefferson and Madison could have used the Magna Carta as the founding document of the United States, but they made a conscious choice to exclude any leader, monarch or otherwise, from such immunity.

 

In the documents those men authored, ALL are equal under the law, and NOBODY is above the law.

 

Sorry 45, it's called the Constitution.

Edited July 14, 2020 by Walker88
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[Berkshire]

46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't matter if Trump releases them or not. If there's nothing bad in them the haters will just say that he's been hiding the bad stuff, and there can't be anything illegal or the IRS would already have done something about that.

 

If I were Trump, and had suffered all the garbage and <deleted> that's been heaped on him for the past 4 years I'd be trying to keep them secret just for a bit of payback. Given by the hysteria it does seem to be working.

You do understand why President's have always released their tax returns, don't you?  It's to eliminate even the perception of conflict of interest when setting both domestic and international policy.  It's so that we don't wonder why Trump sold arms to Saudi Arabia against the wishes of Congress.  And why Trump has ignored all Russian transgressions including bounties.  And why Trump wants to shut down the investigation of a Turkish bank.  And why Ivanka managed to get all those Chinese trademarks.  And Jared/Qatar.  Etc.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You do understand why President's have always released their tax returns, don't you?  It's to eliminate even the perception of conflict of interest when setting both domestic and international policy.  It's so that we don't wonder why Trump sold arms to Saudi Arabia against the wishes of Congress.  And why Trump has ignored all Russian transgressions including bounties.  And why Trump wants to shut down the investigation of a Turkish bank.  And why Ivanka managed to get all those Chinese trademarks.  And Jared/Qatar.  Etc.

 

 

President's have always released their tax returns,

 

 

https://www.efile.com/historic-1040-income-tax-returns-of-us-presidents-and-candidates/

Presidents of the United States make their tax returns a matter of public record. However, the practice of releasing returns as president or when running for office didn't become commonplace until the late 1960's.

 

Bolding by me

 

https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

Frequently Asked Questions

1. Are presidents required to release their tax returns?

Presidents aren’t required by law to release their tax returns.

Edited July 14, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

You know full well that being the Narcissist that he is, if 45's tax returns actually were impressive and showed him to be the successful business person he pretends to be, he would already have signed an Executive Order mandating they be required reading in all US Public Schools.

 

As for his 'immunity', perhaps someone should inform him that those guys Jefferson and Madison could have used the Magna Carta as the founding document of the United States, but they made a conscious choice to exclude any leader, monarch or otherwise, from such immunity.

 

In the documents those men authored, ALL are equal under the law, and NOBODY is above the law.

 

Sorry 45, it's called the Constitution.

Soooooo. Quote the part of the constitution that says presidential candidate tax returns have to be published.

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Soooooo. Quote the part of the constitution that says presidential candidate tax returns have to be published.

It’s about decency and accountability. Forget it, he has neither of those traits. 

[CGW]

On 7/10/2020 at 11:08 AM, Emdog said:

Why are so many Trump backers comfortable with his hiding and lying? Seriously

Seriously, have you seen the opposition? great if your a socialist I guess!

Does this mean that we will now be able to see the tax records for Biden and Pelosi, very rich "government" employees?

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, CGW said:

Seriously, have you seen the opposition? great if your a socialist I guess!

Does this mean that we will now be able to see the tax records for Biden and Pelosi, very rich "government" employees?

Yes you may and Biden is poorer than Tucker Carlson. As for Pelosi, she not running for the White House. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-releases-financial-disclosure-form-latest-tax-returns

[CGW]

39 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Yes you may and Biden is poorer than Tucker Carlson. As for Pelosi, she not running for the White House. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-releases-financial-disclosure-form-latest-tax-returns

Thanks, guess Joe can always borrow a few $ from his son if needs be,

Politics obviously pays well as Pelosi, despite not running for the WH (great reasoning by the way ???? ) has been extremely thrifty and managed to accumulate ~USD120m, on quite a meagre salary as well. ????

Tucker Carlson makes $6m a year in salary, understandable why he has more net worth than a politician who makes 5% of that.

Admirable how folks can make excuses isn't it.

Edited July 14, 2020 by CGW

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, CGW said:

Thanks, guess Joe can always borrow a few $ from his son if needs be,

Politics obviously pays well as Pelosi, despite not running for the WH (great reasoning by the way ???? ) has been extremely thrifty and managed to accumulate ~USD120m, on quite a meagre salary as well. ????

Tucker Carlson makes $6m a year in salary, understandable why he has more net worth than a politician who makes 5% of that.

Admirable how folks can make excuses isn't it.

Perhaps this link can provide the information as to how Pelosi and her husband made their fortune in real estates. Still pittance compare to Trump but who really know his wealth. 

 

https://moneyinc.com/nancy-pelosi-net-worth/

[mtls2005]

We were told that trump's tax returns were under audit, and that he would release them when the audit was completed.

 

Have heard some rumblings (rugy g, among others) that the audits are complete, maybe excluding 2019, and that he had to adjust some returns and pay fines.

 

 

 

[jcsmith]

Sure presidential candidate's aren't REQUIRED to release their taxes. But they all do.  Particularly someone with as many potential conflicts of interest as Trump it should be a requirement. Not to mention serious and credible accounts from his own personal former lawyer who says that Trump was inflating his value for loans while deflating it when filing taxes. Particularly when they would allow everyone to see whether or not he was lying. I mean this is a guy who went in front of the public and said he had zero interests in Russia while he was behind the scenes negotiating for a Trump Tower in Moscow at the very same time. And after his son had contradicted that. So he's lying, by why? You may be able to trace through some of his business dealings by examining where things don't line up in his taxes. 

 

Let's ignore that though and just focus on the promise. How many times was the George Bush quote, "Read my lips, no new taxes" quoted in the 90s? An awful lot, right. Why? Because he made a promise and then broke it. Trump lied to the American public said he couldn't release his taxes because hew as under audit... Cohen said this was not true. But more importantly Trump promised to release his taxes after the audit. Four years later he is fighting in court to keep them from going public. He lied. Obviously to cover something up. And he's fighting to keep them private so whatever he's lying about doesn't become public knowledge until after the election. The American public deserves to know what he's hiding. Or at the very least they need to understand that he lied and the gravity of that.

 

Another case that isn't the same but is related is his business interests. Remember when he promised to divest from his businesses. To not be involved, to put them in a trust. He had the whole fake stack of paperwork that was just empty pages saying that was what he was doing for the press. And then he put it all under the control of his children. He's even fighting to keep his current taxes hidden. Why? Because I would assume he doesn't want people to see him profiting off the office before the election. But anything there is speculation. Nobody knows whats he's hiding, but he's undoubtedly hiding something.