Anyone taking testosterone in Thailand. Good or bad reviews?

[bbabythai]

I'm middle aged and decided to do blood tests for general check up. I have experienced low libido, low energy and poor sleep for a while. 

 

I dont have the results on me at the moment but the testosterone reading at the top of the list was in normal range. But the free testosterone was not. It was in the 

lower range. The dr prescribed me 50mg androgel sachets. 

 

Im in 2 minds whether I should take it or not. I read great reviews on various forums from guys taking it. A friend of mine in thailand who is 20 yrs my senior is on injections and he thinks its great. But then I read the urologytimes website which implies that if one ever stops taking it, the recovery from the 'drug-induced low T may be highly symptomatic and prolonged- severe depression etc. Testicular function may never return even to its pre-treatment baseline. 

 

Also many men are unaware that TRT shuts down a mans natural production of the hormone often causing the testosterone producing cells to stop working and his testicles to soften and shrink. 

 

I feel a bit scared to commence treatment even though I just paid 10k on a box of gel sachets. 

 

Anyone have any opinions on this big decision

[Puchaiyank]

Sleep...contiguous hours of rest help regenerate your sense of wellbeing and power.

 

If you have low "T"...recommend you restore levels under the care of a doctor...

[Bruce Aussie]

Testoserone caps available at pharmacy. 900 baht 60 caps one a day within a month you be different person.

Don't over look regular exercise. 

[A1Str8]

TRT is great but has those side effects yes.

 

If you don't want the sides, here's what you can do: eat more fat. The body makes hormones including test from fat. If more is available it will produce more. Don't eat junk, no alcohol, smoking etc. Those all lower test levels significantly. Don't eat meat or very little. It is well documented that vegetarians have higher test levels. 

Intense daily exercise. It's known to kick hormone production into high gear.

Work hard. On anything. Nothing raises testosterone production as efficiently as the feeling of accomplishment! Whatever you do that makes you feel proud, strong, makes you feel like a man, signals the brain to tell the body to produce more T. 

[Don Chance]

Don't do anything stupid. Go see a doctor and get a complete check up. You might have an illness.

[bbabythai]

10 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Sleep...contiguous hours of rest help regenerate your sense of wellbeing and power.

 

If you have low "T"...recommend you restore levels under the care of a doctor...

please re-read the original post. I did see a doctor. He prescribed me the TRT

[bbabythai]

7 hours ago, Don Chance said:

Don't do anything stupid. Go see a doctor and get a complete check up. You might have an illness.

please re-read the original post. I did see a doctor

[bolt]

great quote "Work hard. On anything. Nothing raises testosterone production as efficiently as the feeling of accomplishment! Whatever you do that makes you feel proud, strong, makes you feel like a man, signals the brain to tell the body to produce more T. "

 

make your body work hard, and give your body the right Fuel.

that’s the only key, Drugs can help but if your able to do it naturally that’s way better

[sanuk711]

The gel sachets are not that effective, as the liver is great at cleaning up most stuff taken orally . In The USA most doctors have moved toward patches, but they to can also have draw backs. Injection IMO is the better way to take it......it not something you have to be scared of , or have to keep taking if you have a change of mind or it doesn't agree with you---or has no affect for you. You just stop.

The Doctor feels it will help you...why not try it for a just month.

 

Yes I have taken it (On & Off) for over 30 years.......... on & off because I have found myself living in places where "At the time" it was difficult to get, that's changed in most countries now. I am in my 70s

[bkk6060]

I took it for about a year.

It did make some changes and I wanted sex 3 times a day.

But, it was raising my PSA and Hematocrit was way off.

My home country Doctor told me to stop taking it possible risk of stroke or heart attack.

I understand everyone is different some have no side affects.

I suggest get frequent blood checks.

[Pilotman]

If you are over weight, have a poor diet, drink too much alcohol, smoke, or don't exercise, that can account for low energy and low libido. I too have contemplated taking the hormone, as I am older, but have the levels normally expected in man my age.  However, after losing weight and getting fit, I have decided that I don't need it.  What held me back was the very real risk of triggering Prostate Cancer, which is a real and growing threat in taking that hormone and in all older men. If it were me, I would  say stay off it if you can and take other measures in your life. 

[moe666]

What was your estrogen levels. You could be converting testosterone into estrogen, this happens as we age. You can purchase liquid zinc from iherb, take 2 droppers in a glass of water. Zinc blocks the amrotese enzyme that causes the conversion. Try this and then get your testostrone checked as well as the free. Also have your dht checked as well if it is high not good for the prostate. I have been on zinc and other testsotrone treatsments for 30 years and never had any problems but I do keep a close watch on my bosy as to what is working and what is not. You also need to understand most Doctors know very little about Hormone replacement therapy, unless this is the Dr. focus they will know only the usual reply, it is dangerous, it can have side affects, yes all this is true but if you have someone who is very good or have very good info on how to treat yourself. You cannot be lazy but it does work and has benefits.

[Bender Rodriguez]

how old are you ?

 

how tall, how many KG and waste size in cm at the biggest point ?

 

do you have man boobs ?  still good erections ?

 

do you have a big "beer" belly ?

 

serious questions

 

[tweedledee2]

4 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

The gel sachets are not that effective, as the liver is great at cleaning up most stuff taken orally . I

I can assume your knowledge on the subject of trt is limited from reading your first sentence. Gel is applied topically to the skin and is not taken orally. 

 

[warcy]

5 hours ago, bbabythai said:

please re-read the original post. I did see a doctor. He prescribed me the TRT

Doctors are all educated by the pharmacy driven companies to buy their products.

 

Doctors don't tell us the side-effects not any alternative natural treatments.

 

I haven't taken those androgel before , I read that it might shrink your testicles and you would be dependent on them for the rest of your life.

 

 

 

[Destiny1990]

15 hours ago, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said:

Testoserone caps available at pharmacy. 900 baht 60 caps one a day within a month you be different person.

Don't over look regular exercise. 

Yeah with shrunken testicles and the hairs on ur head gone and always feeling a hot body temperature you certainly will be a different person ! 

[sanuk711]

35 minutes ago, tweedledee2 said:

I can assume your knowledge on the subject of trt is limited from reading your first sentence. Gel is applied topically to the skin and is not taken orally. 

Yes that was a mistake tweedledee...........then I go on to compound it.....thank you for pointing it out.

[Destiny1990]

5 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I took it for about a year.

It did make some changes and I wanted sex 3 times a day.

But, it was raising my PSA and Hematocrit was way off.

My home country Doctor told me to stop taking it possible risk of stroke or heart attack.

I understand everyone is different some have no side affects.

I suggest get frequent blood checks.

Did your testicles fully recover after stopping with T ?

[Destiny1990]

Another side effect i heard about supplementing t is that it nearly diminishes the sperm fluids.

Maybe check vit d levels and or look for alternative ways the raise T. Often doctors who sell t-sups will easily recommend it while other doctors that dont sell t-sups are much more conservative.

[tweedledee2]

 

I started TRT almost 7 years ago. My initial testosterone level test result showed 219 ng/dl.

My Dr prescribed AndroGel 1.62% in a pump dispenser @ 2 pumps, 1 to each shoulder daily. Six weeks later my level was 339 ng/dl. After 6 months, my level was 697 ng/dl and my Dr instructed me to use only 1 pump a day.  For almost the last 5 years while living in Thailand, I have been using Androgel sachets. Annual tests results since show my level in the low 500's ng/dl. 

  

[Tchooptip]

16 hours ago, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said:

Testoserone caps available at pharmacy. 900 baht 60 caps one a day within a month you be different person.

Don't over look regular exercise. 

Could you give the brand please?

[holymoly]

I am nearly ninety but do exers very regularly and have been taking half portions of Androgel for a while. Since my testo readings are low docotor encourages me to take 

Amdrogel regularly. I have taken Androgel for longtime, sometimes forgetting for a week

or and then stopping and starting again. 

I feel okay either way. My libido is not very reliable anymore, Androgel or not.

Anyway, don't be afraid. A younger friend of mine has been giving himself a regular 

shot in this ass. He is as healthy as a bull.

But if your Testo level is still okay, why take more. Go do some solid  exers in a good gym or run, or.....

[allanos]

Have your cholesterol level checked.  If it falls within a "normal" zone, then boost your intake of either whole eggs or egg yolks.  Eggs are full of cholesterol and also have the best "bioavailability" of all of the proteins.  Testosterone is derived from cholesterol which is, however, largely produced naturally at night during sleep.

[jaf3]

I would recommend taking the Nebido injection every three months - it is time-released and does not risk giving you the angry episodes and mood swings that you may get from the daily medication. My clinic charges around 9000 for an injection that is good for 3 months. 

[Seeall]

15 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

TRT is great but has those side effects yes.

 

If you don't want the sides, here's what you can do: eat more fat. The body makes hormones including test from fat. If more is available it will produce more. Don't eat junk, no alcohol, smoking etc. Those all lower test levels significantly. Don't eat meat or very little. It is well documented that vegetarians have higher test levels. 

Intense daily exercise. It's known to kick hormone production into high gear.

Work hard. On anything. Nothing raises testosterone production as efficiently as the feeling of accomplishment! Whatever you do that makes you feel proud, strong, makes you feel like a man, signals the brain to tell the body to produce more T. 

Ex gym rat will not agree...  countless gym buddies go vegan and its like the wind gone out of their sails...  Meat meat yeahhh power... I am talking raw power, not

the ohh my tummy feels better tweets...

[Seeall]

1 hour ago, tweedledee2 said:

 

I started TRT almost 7 years ago. My initial testosterone level test result showed 219 ng/dl.

My Dr prescribed AndroGel 1.62% in a pump dispenser @ 2 pumps, 1 to each shoulder daily. Six weeks later my level was 339 ng/dl. After 6 months, my level was 697 ng/dl and my Dr instructed me to use only 1 pump a day.  For almost the last 5 years while living in Thailand, I have been using Androgel sachets. Annual tests results since show my level in the low 500's ng/dl. 

  

What may I ask is a pump to the shoulder?

[TPI]

17 hours ago, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said:

Testoserone caps available at pharmacy. 900 baht 60 caps one a day within a month you be different person.

Don't over look regular exercise. 

"Men Hormone" caps at chemist shops, 10mg Test. and 10mg of Vit E, 30 caps @ 3 a day = 10 days for 70 THB a bottle! They work really well with no apparent side effects!

[Thomas J]

I am on the injections I self inject once a month.  Get at Facino pharmacy.  I stay away from the pills I read where the pills are substantially more side effects. 

[NightSky]

Before starting TRT you have to be very careful to ensure that a doctor has your best health interests first rather than their own/employers financial interests first.

 

You mentioned your testosterone level was in normal range but your free t isn't - I'm no doctor but in my own opinion this usually means that you are producing enough testosterone but for some reason more may be binding to SHBG molecules in your blood or converting to estrogen.

 

So your doc can explore reasons for this and attempt to resolve the underlying reason. In addition boosting your t levels naturally with exercise, diet, weight loss and lifestyle choices would be my first option.

 

I had low t and it turned out to be caused by a vitamin d deficiency. I supplement vitamin d as well as other vitamins and minerals and I apply all the healthy lifestyle options above and I feel great -my testosterone is also in mid normal range every time i get tested every 6 months. Thats good enough for me.  Before I did my research I was tempted by many ads and forums to go the TRT route - nothing against TRT at all although Im glad I did my research and saw a decent endochrinologist, so that I have at least delayed that requirement for now.

 

Do your research. Best of luck.

 

 

[stouricks]

2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Another side effect i heard about supplementing t is that it nearly diminishes the sperm fluids.

Not so much cleaning up afterwards then!   PML