4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So clarity, unwavering clarity, causes chaos in the UK.

If you mean clearly unfair bias, I suppose so. But the chaos will not just affect the UK.

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by nauseus

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

If you mean clearly unfair bias, I suppose so. But the chaos will not just affect the UK.

And you have the audacity to accuse remainers of moaning.

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The chaos is produced by the EU continuing to try to impose their "requirements" on the UK but not imposing them on anyone else.

Why is the EU under any obligation not to impose "requirements"? To use an football analogy. Man City may be perfectly happy to sell players to, say, Wolves but unwilling to sell players to Liverpool. What's the problem?

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Maybe that's why he's applied for a German passport. Get elected as a German MEP and continue to wreak havoc.????

 

He's also rumored to be heavily involved in Italexit/Quitaly behind the scenes. Top Man Nige.

I know (hope?) that your paragraph is tongue-in-cheek but - given that the UK has left the EU - why are Brexiters so fixated on the EU's destruction?

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Why is the EU under any obligation not to impose "requirements"? To use an football analogy. Man City may be perfectly happy to sell players to, say, Wolves but unwilling to sell players to Liverpool. What's the problem?

The problem is the UK will be the UK again, land and waters, no German apron strings.

Easy to understand really, if you want to be a German lacky that is up to you.

In any case, Nelson would only settle for the same.....????

Just now, RayC said:

I know (hope?) that your paragraph is tongue-in-cheek but - given that the UK has left the EU - why are Brexiters so fixated on the EU's destruction?

 

 

 

 

Not me, sunbeam, it will destruct all by itself anyhoooo...????

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

No Deal looking increasingly likely. Given that the EU are making completely unreasonable demands that have never before been part of a trade deal the EU has made with other non EU countries, I think that we can conclude they are not acting in good faith. Based on this failure on the part of the EU, I sincerely hope we also renege on most of the 39 Billion payment laid out in the same agreement.

 

From the withdrawal agreement.

 

 

 

Also..

A false argument. Firstly, all trade deals are different. Secondly, "unreasonable demands" is subjective. Thirdly, the fact that any 'conditions' for negotiations may be new is irrelevant. 

 

So no, we can logically conclude that the EU is acting in good faith.

 

There is no failure (in this context) on the part of the EU and therefore there is no justification for the UK to renege on the terms of the agreement.

 

21 minutes ago, RayC said:

I know (hope?) that your paragraph is tongue-in-cheek but - given that the UK has left the EU - why are Brexiters so fixated on the EU's destruction?

Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and Holland have always been our traditional enemy.

Essentially we hate the EU and want to see them all in ruins.

55 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The EU has been very clear about the requirements from the beginning. The only chaotic nature of the brexit process exposed is the one in the UK.

They know why we voted to Leave. They know that Boris will not capitulate to EU demands for us to accept their rules again as May did. So Barnier is only going through the motions of negotiation, ie in bad faith.

 

They must actually want us to Leave with No Deal. Seems like they are creating their own chaos. Who'd a thunk it?

34 minutes ago, RayC said:

Why is the EU under any obligation not to impose "requirements"? To use an football analogy. Man City may be perfectly happy to sell players to, say, Wolves but unwilling to sell players to Liverpool. What's the problem?

Go back to Old Kent Road but do pass GO and the OP will tell you what the problem is.

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Proroguing, I suppose is what you mean. Not a suspension and no comparison, so no thanks given.

What's in a name as the result is the same ......

 

Always Barrosos line while ...Boris do his own " solution" ....

Emberassing i know out of your " hiding answer " ????

 

And YES the E.U. keep voting untill the 27 have a agreement .....to the surprise of many brexiteers about the latest financial help 

 

And so they also keep united in the brexit saga 

 

Oh ! but probably after Frost his possible "September still possible deal ".....he shall use that for "the first weeks of October deal still possible" ????????????

 

 

35 minutes ago, transam said:

The problem is the UK will be the UK again, land and waters, no German apron strings.

Easy to understand really, if you want to be a German lacky that is up to you.

In any case, Nelson would only settle for the same.....????

English is my native tongue but I have no idea what you are talking about.

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

English is my native tongue but I have no idea what you are talking about.

He has an obsession with Germany.

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and Holland have always been our traditional enemy.

Essentially we hate the EU and want to see them all in ruins.

No essentially YOU are a xenophobe.

 

Btw: By and large, throughout the ages the Netherlands and Portugal have been our traditional allies.

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The chaos is produced by the EU continuing to try to impose their "requirements" on the UK but not imposing them on anyone else.

Like joking way said before by some ...

"finally the U.K. would accuse  E.U. to kick them out ????????????

 

It is becoming pathtic now , now we need Farage to come on stage  to deal with the Conservatives ....????????

 

A good "standup comediant" is always good for fun ????

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by david555

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Go back to Old Kent Road but do pass GO and the OP will tell you what the problem is.

I am familiar with monopoly but have no idea how it is relevant here.

 

 

 

21 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Farage seemed to do quite well out of it too didn't he. He even applied for a German passport the day after the referendum and has since refused to answer as to whether his application was successful. 

farage doesnt have a property empire like blair and the kinnocks family who plundered the EU gravey train galore

 

inc

Kinnocks have six state pensions worth £185,000 per year, says think tank

Lord Kinnock and his wife, Glenys, have amassed six public sector pensions worth a total of £185,000 per year, according to a new analysis by a think tank.

1 minute ago, 3NUMBAS said:

farage doesnt have a property empire like blair and the kinnocks family who plundered the EU gravey train galore

 

inc

Kinnocks have six state pensions worth £185,000 per year, says think tank

Lord Kinnock and his wife, Glenys, have amassed six public sector pensions worth a total of £185,000 per year, according to a new analysis by a think tank.

as soon as labour get in idealism goes out the window as they fight to get their snouts in the trough.

20 minutes ago, RayC said:

No essentially YOU are a xenophobe.

Btw: By and large, throughout the ages the Netherlands and Portugal have been our traditional allies.

Not true, a xenophobe would hate all foreigners, I only hate the Germans and Dutch so not a xenophobe.

23 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

farage doesnt have a property empire like blair and the kinnocks family who plundered the EU gravey train galore

 

inc

Kinnocks have six state pensions worth £185,000 per year, says think tank

Lord Kinnock and his wife, Glenys, have amassed six public sector pensions worth a total of £185,000 per year, according to a new analysis by a think tank.

No longer an issue.

We left remember?

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No longer an issue.

We left remember?

it is an issue if the pensions they're poncing are uk ones,wasn,t Kinnock going to clean up the eu? spent 5 years scratching himself and picking up his wages,good old labour the party of the working man,pity they don't lead by example.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

it is an issue if the pensions they're poncing are uk ones,wasn,t Kinnock going to clean up the eu? spent 5 years scratching himself and picking up his wages,good old labour the party of the working man,pity they don't lead by example.

Is it just the Kinnocks you have a problem with or should we throw in all the members of the unelected house of Lords as well?

 

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Is it just the Kinnocks you have a problem with or should we throw in all the members of the unelected house of Lords as well?

 

why not,load of ponces elected under "jobs for the boys " and the kinnocks are mere representatives of the labour party.

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

why not,load of ponces elected under "jobs for the boys " and the kinnocks are mere representatives of the labour party.

Ok what about the biggest benefits scrounger in the UK. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth and her dysfunctional family. 

1 hour ago, david555 said:

What's in a name as the result is the same ......

 

Always Barrosos line while ...Boris do his own " solution" ....

Emberassing i know out of your " hiding answer " ????

 

And YES the E.U. keep voting untill the 27 have a agreement .....to the surprise of many brexiteers about the latest financial help 

 

And so they also keep united in the brexit saga 

 

Oh ! but probably after Frost his possible "September still possible deal ".....he shall use that for "the first weeks of October deal still possible" ????????????

 

 

Is there a hidden meaning within all that dribble?

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Like joking way said before by some ...

"finally the U.K. would accuse  E.U. to kick them out ????????????

 

It is becoming pathtic now , now we need Farage to come on stage  to deal with the Conservatives ....????????

 

A good "standup comediant" is always good for fun ????

Yes....we can see that.

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No longer an issue.

We left remember?

The pensions don't stop though, eh?

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The pensions don't stop though, eh?

Will Farrage be surrendering his?

47 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not true, a xenophobe would hate all foreigners, I only hate the Germans and Dutch so not a xenophobe.

Not correct, xenophobia means a fear of strangers (Xenos=stranger in Greek). You don't have to fear or hate them all for it to apply.

2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Not correct, xenophobia means a fear of strangers (Xenos=stranger in Greek). You don't have to fear or hate them all for it to apply.

Everyone needs at least one phobia mate.

I myself have Mottephobia. But not lepidopterophobia. Because that would just be silly.

Obviously.