Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

farage doesnt have a property empire like blair and the kinnocks family who plundered the EU gravey train galore

 

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Kinnocks have six state pensions worth £185,000 per year, says think tank

Lord Kinnock and his wife, Glenys, have amassed six public sector pensions worth a total of £185,000 per year, according to a new analysis by a think tank.

Hmm way out of my league of course, but is that really so unusual. It's around £90K each, I read about a chief constable retiring on £88k just the other day, and that's one pension. CEOs of big companies get pensions in millions, and small companies in 100s of K. I think it is a bit daft to think it it is wonderful for members of the party of personal greed to enrich themselves, but Labour members are all supposed to wear sackcloth and ashes. 

[bannork]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

The chaos is produced by the EU continuing to try to impose their "requirements" on the UK but not imposing them on anyone else.

Which other country right next to the EU has ever tried to leave?

They are simply protecting the single market.

Leave the club and conditions for access will naturally be more stringent. It ain't rocket science.

Now Cornwall is blubbing.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/cornwall-councils-demands-700m-from-gov-due-to-eu-funding-cuts-1-6754158

 

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Which other country right next to the EU has ever tried to leave?

They are simply protecting the single market.

Leave the club and conditions for access will naturally be more stringent. It ain't rocket science.

Now Cornwall is blubbing.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/cornwall-councils-demands-700m-from-gov-due-to-eu-funding-cuts-1-6754158

 

 

Cornwall voted for Brexit.

You get what you vote for.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Not true, a xenophobe would hate all foreigners, I only hate the Germans and Dutch so not a xenophobe.

Glad to see you're mellowing. From your previous post: "Essentially we hate the EU and want to see them all in ruins."

 

Hope for you yet maybe?

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ok what about the biggest benefits scrounger in the UK. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth and her dysfunctional family. 

i bet she gets free prescriptions and education for her sprogs.

[Rookiescot]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

i bet she gets free prescriptions and education for her sprogs.

Move to Scotland and you could get the same.

All paid for by those lovely chaps south of the border.

Loving it.

[transam]

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

He has an obsession with Germany.

Yes indeed, but not the German ordinary Joe.

 

I can see the writing on the wall for the EU, U.S. of Germany, something the German hierarchy have always wanted.

 

When the WW1 ended the French could see the 'writing on the wall', they built, over many years and bundles of cash, the Maginot Line. Though it turned out to be near useless at least they had the forethought to see the future and I wish the UK had done the same.

 

The UK populace saw the writing on the wall and voted out, Brexit, the UK is near back to being it's own boss again.........????

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

It's all about choices - do you want to fund a decent, humane standard of living for all, or do you want to further the enrichment of the few? You can do one or the other, but you can't do both. Sadly England has chosen to throw its weight behind the latter, and so we all have to fall in line to some extent. 

[CorpusChristie]

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

It's all about choices - do you want to fund a decent, humane standard of living for all, or do you want to further the enrichment of the few? You can do one or the other, but you can't do both. Sadly England has chosen to throw its weight behind the latter, and so we all have to fall in line to some extent. 

If individual people want to work to enrich themselves and their life , the opportunities should be there for them to be able do it  , giving school leavers apprenticeships to learn skills to have skills to be able to find work , instead of importing people from Europe to do the work .

  Workers should be given a living wage , that will enrich society

People who dont want to work and expect the Government and other peoples taxes to provide them with a living dont deserve a high standard of living  

[kingdong]

23 hours ago, bannork said:

Which other country right next to the EU has ever tried to leave?

They are simply protecting the single market.

Leave the club and conditions for access will naturally be more stringent. It ain't rocket science.

Now Cornwall is blubbing.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/cornwall-councils-demands-700m-from-gov-due-to-eu-funding-cuts-1-6754158

 

 

we,ll have 350 million sovs a week to do with what we like not recieve a fraction of what we paid in and be told where to spend it,link....the big red bus.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

If individual people want to work to enrich themselves and their life , the opportunities should be there for them to be able do it  , giving school leavers apprenticeships to learn skills to have skills to be able to find work , instead of importing people from Europe to do the work .

  Workers should be given a living wage , that will enrich society

People who dont want to work and expect the Government and other peoples taxes to provide them with a living dont deserve a high standard of living  

Nothing wrong with what you say there.

However the problem is there are very few opportunities for school leavers now. Apprenticeships are very hard to come by. Employers look at it from a perspective of why train someone when we can get someone from abroad who is already qualified to fill the vacancy. They will also work for less.

Until we start penalising companies for using foreign rather than domestic workers its never going to change. Most people want to work. Its the hourly rate that makes it unworkable.

Zero hours contracts also need to go. Its nothing but servitude. Many prevent you from having any other zero hours contracts. 

Now you get onto your mate Johnson and start telling him the workplace needs to change. Employees need to be paid a living wage and have benefits like holiday entitlement. 

Good luck with that. No way is he going to address the issues. Even after corona virus has shown us JUST who exactly is a key worker and who is not. 

 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

we,ll have 350 million sovs a week to do with what we like not recieve a fraction of what we paid in and be told where to spend it,link....the big red bus.

How many ways are we going to spend that mythical 350 million a week?

I thought it was earmarked for the NHS.

Or was that just another leaver lie?

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Nothing wrong with what you say there.

However the problem is there are very few opportunities for school leavers now. Apprenticeships are very hard to come by. Employers look at it from a perspective of why train someone when we can get someone from abroad who is already qualified to fill the vacancy. They will also work for less.

Until we start penalising companies for using foreign rather than domestic workers its never going to change. Most people want to work. Its the hourly rate that makes it unworkable.

Zero hours contracts also need to go. Its nothing but servitude. Many prevent you from having any other zero hours contracts. 

Now you get onto your mate Johnson and start telling him the workplace needs to change. Employees need to be paid a living wage and have benefits like holiday entitlement. 

Good luck with that. No way is he going to address the issues. Even after corona virus has shown us JUST who exactly is a key worker and who is not. 

 

and to enable zero hour contracts and taking on cheap labour from abroad it needs a glut of migrant workers coming from the failed economies of the eu,and how can we stop it while we're still members and have got freedom of movement?so perhaps you want to do something about it instead of telling other people to fight on your behalf,and you want independence from the uk so your little country can still be in the eu?never thought i,d say it but words fail me.

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Nothing wrong with what you say there.

However the problem is there are very few opportunities for school leavers now. Apprenticeships are very hard to come by. Employers look at it from a perspective of why train someone when we can get someone from abroad who is already qualified to fill the vacancy. They will also work for less.

 

 

Maybe we could leave the E.U ?

Stop the influx of cheap foreign workers and train British kids some skills ?

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Maybe we could leave the E.U ?

Stop the influx of cheap foreign workers and train British kids some skills ?

if you didn't laugh,you,d cry.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

How many ways are we going to spend that mythical 350 million a week?

I thought it was earmarked for the NHS.

Or was that just another leaver lie?

the wording on the bus said it could,(very differant from would ) be used to fund the nhs so tell the truth for a change.now cornwalls got its hand out,well whatever they ponce will be well under the 350 million sovs a week we were giving the eu.

[Rookiescot]

25 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and to enable zero hour contracts and taking on cheap labour from abroad it needs a glut of migrant workers coming from the failed economies of the eu,and how can we stop it while we're still members and have got freedom of movement?so perhaps you want to do something about it instead of telling other people to fight on your behalf,and you want independence from the uk so your little country can still be in the eu?never thought i,d say it but words fail me.

 

14 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Maybe we could leave the E.U ?

Stop the influx of cheap foreign workers and train British kids some skills ?

If you think for one second corporate UK is going to allow any disruption to its source of cheap labour then you are completely deluded.

They might not be coming from the EU any more but they will be coming from somewhere.

Trade deal with India? Brace yourselves.

What legislation have the Conservative government put in place to end zero hours contracts?

What legislation have the Conservatives put in place to penalise use of foreign workers?

You were sold a lie and you bought it.

Now own it.

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

If you think for one second corporate UK is going to allow any disruption to its source of cheap labour then you are completely deluded.

They might not be coming from the EU any more but they will be coming from somewhere.

Trade deal with India? Brace yourselves.

What legislation have the Conservative government put in place to end zero hours contracts?

What legislation have the Conservatives put in place to penalise use of foreign workers?

You were sold a lie and you bought it.

Now own it.

As the UK is no longer a member of the EU , Europeans workers no longer have the right to go and live and work in the UK .

  That is a done deal .

"Coporate UK" will now have to find another source of worker , all those unemployed Brits will need to be trained up to be able to fill those vacancies .

  Why do you think we all voted for Brexit ?  

[CorpusChristie]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

What legislation have the Conservative government put in place to end zero hours contracts?

Many people prefer those conditions , allows them to work around personal needs .

Can work when they want and for how long they want without getting sacked for taking time off 

[Phulublub]

15 hours ago, transam said:

When the WW1 ended the French could see the 'writing on the wall', they built, over many years and bundles of cash, the Maginot Line. Though it turned out to be near useless

So a very expensive mistake?  A bit like Brexit then.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

58 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

"Coporate UK" will now have to find another source of worker , all those unemployed Brits will need to be trained up to be able to fill those vacancies .

And while these hordes of UK youngsters are trained up, who will do the work?

And once they are trained, will they be willing to work as long and hard for as little as the EU workers they replace?

 

But if this multitude of unemployed Brits are actually wanting to work, why have they not sought training already?

 

PH

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

well under the 350 million sovs a week we were giving the eu.

We never have given the EU 350 million a week.  It was a lie. But sadly you, like numeorus others, fell for it.  Some, at least, have come to realise just what a pig in a poke this allis and would rather we did not leave; but that is also, saldy, not an option. I am glad I no longer live in the UK; I do worry for my extended family who still do.

 

PH

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So a very expensive mistake?  A bit like Brexit then.

 

PH

Expensive mistake? Yes. That mistake was joining in the first place.  

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

And while these hordes of UK youngsters are trained up, who will do the work?

And once they are trained, will they be willing to work as long and hard for as little as the EU workers they replace?

 

But if this multitude of unemployed Brits are actually wanting to work, why have they not sought training already?

 

PH

You seem to just discount the British unemployed without giving them a chance and just accept this free-for-all, come on in policy. That will never encourage Britons to get on with it. As Bill and Ben would say...Flobadob.

Edited August 25, 2020 by nauseus

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

We never have given the EU 350 million a week.  It was a lie. But sadly you, like numeorus others, fell for it.  Some, at least, have come to realise just what a pig in a poke this allis and would rather we did not leave; but that is also, saldy, not an option. I am glad I no longer live in the UK; I do worry for my extended family who still do.

 

PH

I expect that the UK is glad too.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

If you think for one second corporate UK is going to allow any disruption to its source of cheap labour then you are completely deluded.

They might not be coming from the EU any more but they will be coming from somewhere.

Trade deal with India? Brace yourselves.

What legislation have the Conservative government put in place to end zero hours contracts?

What legislation have the Conservatives put in place to penalise use of foreign workers?

You were sold a lie and you bought it.

Now own it.

and you,ve carried on lying about what was the actual wording on the big red bus,i was intelligent enough to realise the message,it was simple enough,still when you,re desperate one does tend to clutch at straws (so i,ve been told )

[bannork]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

You seem to just discount the British unemployed without giving them a chance and just accept this free-for-all, come on in policy. That will never encourage Britons to get on with it. As Bill and Ben would say...Flobadob.

Bill and Ben are unfortunate examples of roll up your sleeves type of workers. Both were addicted to weed and spent the entire day, apart from the lunch hour, avoiding any activity.

[candide]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

You seem to just discount the British unemployed without giving them a chance and just accept this free-for-all, come on in policy. That will never encourage Britons to get on with it. As Bill and Ben would say...Flobadob.

Weren't they given a chance already? There must be already training programs offered to them, right? Plus, the pre-Brexit unemployment rate was rather low so it should not have been that hard to get a job (provided people are ready to move to places where jobs are offered).

[CorpusChristie]

6 hours ago, Phulublub said:

And while these hordes of UK youngsters are trained up, who will do the work?

And once they are trained, will they be willing to work as long and hard for as little as the EU workers they replace?

 

But if this multitude of unemployed Brits are actually wanting to work, why have they not sought training already?

 

PH

There are no training schemes/apprenticeships 

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

If you think for one second corporate UK is going to allow any disruption to its source of cheap labour then you are completely deluded.

They might not be coming from the EU any more but they will be coming from somewhere.

Trade deal with India? Brace yourselves.

What legislation have the Conservative government put in place to end zero hours contracts?

What legislation have the Conservatives put in place to penalise use of foreign workers?

You were sold a lie and you bought it.

Now own it.

labour sent out the search parties to"rub the right wings noses in it "when blair was in power and was told by one of his own mps that the rate of pay for bricklayers had halved in his constituency due to the influx of eu citizens,lionel,sorry tony replied " well it,ll alleviate poverty in their countries" labour the party of the working man,i don,t think.