Trump says sending federal agents to more U.S. cities to fight violent crime

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Oh! If only everyone had a gun....there would be none of this trouble.

The NRA are being uncharacteristically quiet on that ‘Guns against Federal Oppression’ thing of theirs.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Logosone]

BREAKING NEWS! RABID ANTI-TRUMP Washington Post admits:

 

The federal crackdown in Portland is ‘legal.’

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/22/portland-constitution-dhs-crackdown-legality/

 

So, where is your argument now that the federal troop deployment violates the constitution, Chomper Higgott?

 

[RANGER55]

12 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

You still cannot arrest or detain someone without probable cause.

Yes you can. A LEO can detain anyone at the scene of a crime or possible crime to determine if that individual is involved or for the safety of the LEO. Happens every day on the streets fighting crime. You can even cuff them, pat them down for weapons and put in the patrol car for officer safety. No violation of rights.

Edited July 23, 2020 by RANGER55
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[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

I lack the clarity you have into "many of the arrests", but the one captured on video was illegal. There was no probable cause. The "suspect" was transported to the courthouse, questioned for two hours and released.

 

Can wolf and cuccinelli  -both with potentially illegal appointments - make a case on this one? Doubt it.

 

 

 

 

Do you have the name of the person supposedly arrested "illegally"?

[RANGER55]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously?

Don't think there is an emoji of someone hitting head on brick wall to put here.

Can I get some of that you are smoking!

[Sujo]

Unidentifiable people dragging.others away in unmarked vehicles.

 

If protestors started shooting those unidentified people they would have a very good case.

 

Maybe it wont be long before local police step in and arrest those unidentifiable people.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Do you perhaps think that if there was the slightest chance of the DHS deployment being "illegal" oder against the constitution, that perhaps the Bezos owned Washington Post and and the NYT, both rabidly anti-Trump, would perhaps have made very loud and obnoxious cases calling the deployment "illegal".

 

What do you think, Chomper Higgot, bearing in mind both newspapers have lawyers on the pay roll.

 

Yet both agree that the deployment of federal troops is legal. What do you think that means, Chomper Higgot?

 

I note you have yet to adduce a single coherent argument as to why the deployment of the DHS is "illegal" or against the constitution. What are you waiting for? Is your constitutional law expertise limited to, well, shouting out "unconstitutional"? 

That’s all for the courts to resolve.

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Do you have the name of the person supposedly arrested "illegally"?

The complaint filed by the Oregon AG at the court specifically states that unidentified and unidentifiable persons ‘detained’ people in public places without ‘arrest’.

 

Arrest is a legally recognized process with protections for the arrested person under the Constitution, under law and specifically under Habeas Corpus. 

 

‘Detaining’ and removing a person from the public is not ‘Arrest’, we’ll see what the courts have to say on the matter.

 

http://opb-imgserve-production.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/ag_rosenblum_xxxx_updated_complaint_1595086491349.pdf

Edited July 23, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Lol, yah, so you are clueless and have no argument at all basically?

 

I thought you had a clear analysis as to why the deployment of the DHS is "unconstitutional"?

 

So in view of the fact that the Post and NYT both have highly paid lawyers on payroll, and both come to the conclusion that the deployment of the DHS is legal....how do you think the courts will find?

 

Lol. God job you're not the judge.

I’m not sure why you don’t understand the courts have jurisdiction over these matters.

[Laza 45]

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He’s desperately trying to turn the polls around before Labor Day, after which he has some to one with Mitch McConnell.

I did see somewhere that McConnell had given him a deadline to reverse the polls or senators would be abandoning his sinking ship to try and save their own skins.. It is going to get interesting if McConnell makes a move..

[Surelynot]

Just now, Laza 45 said:

I did see somewhere that McConnell had given him a deadline to reverse the polls or senators would be abandoning his sinking ship to try and save their own skins.. It is going to get interesting if McConnell makes a move..

At least they have Kanye West as a back up

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Laza 45 said:

I did see somewhere that McConnell had given him a deadline to reverse the polls or senators would be abandoning his sinking ship to try and save their own skins.. It is going to get interesting if McConnell makes a move..

Now that's gonna be a s**t show well worth staying up past midnight for!

[Chomper Higgot]

My guess is the ‘Detentions’, that we’re not ‘Arrests’ by unidentified Federal Officers are going to result in substantial payouts to the victims of these ‘Detentions’.

 

Added to which, are the orders given by a head of a Federal Department who no longer has legal tenure even legal.

 

The lawyers are going to have a field day.

[wwest5829]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

They do cause a lot of trouble, 1.4 billion USD worth according to insurers' estimates.

 

And you know very well that the "protests" in the US have turned incredibly violent. Police officers are injured every day with frozen water bottles, mortars, fireworks, sharpened poles.

 

This is not protest anymore, this is violent insurrection and extreme force is required to subdue it. Because the protesters themselves are using violence.

Yes, I know very well that the justified frustration/anger has been building over the last three to four decades. There are justified reasons and until the underlying issues are addressed that frustration/anger will remain. It is the same in international conflicts. Oh, you can keep the thumb on for some time but the boiling remains. The wisest thing historically, is to address the issues, not use force to make it appear subdued and claim that you have a citizen centered government.

[RANGER55]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All those mums standing shoulder to shoulder.

 

It must be terrifying to face such peaceful protest.

Mommy Mommy those mean old police are harassing me. All I wish to do is riot, throw deadly object and destroy things. Can you come with me tonight? On and bring me some more hot coco down to the basement.

 

So, they put a couple of Caucasian women out front, take off their black masks and outfits and call their self moms protecting their child. While the little brats are behind them doing the same, rioting, throwing deadly objects at the police. Well mom, be prepared to get gassed and arrest to.

 

Hey here is an idea. Why did you not raise your little privileges brat better and teach right from wrong. And get a job instead of rioting 8 PM till 4 AM 7 days a week.

 

What little worms, I wonder if they took their mommy to school every time they got beat up for being little p----!

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

The wisest thing historically, is to address the issues, not use force to make it appear subdued and claim that you have a citizen centered government.

Spot on

[Logosone]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The complaint filed by the Oregon AG at the court specifically states that unidentified and unidentifiable persons ‘detained’ people in public places without ‘arrest’.

 

Arrest is a legally recognized process with protections for the arrested person under the Constitution, under law and specifically under Habeas Corpus. 

 

‘Detaining’ and removing a person from the public is not ‘Arrest’, we’ll see what the courts have to say on the matter.

 

http://opb-imgserve-production.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/original/ag_rosenblum_xxxx_updated_complaint_1595086491349.pdf

Yes so poor Ellen Rosenblum couldn't make a case that the deployment of the DHS was illegal. All she's complaining about is the DHS had no warrant to arrest protesters. A ludicrous argument, she's obviously not realised that the DHS is there on the basis of federal law, and the officers can arrest on probably cause under federal law if someone is acting suspiciously in the vicinity of US federal property.

 

But then this whole legal action is political theatre and not meant as a serious legal case. She knows very well she has no chance to win. It's all about PR.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Logosone

[spidermike007]

More tone deaf policy from Trump. It is not working this time, Don. You dodged the draft five times, and you are pretending to be tough. We are not buying it. 

 

You are dismissed. Pack your bags. Just a few months to go. See ya! 

[Logosone]

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure why you don’t understand the courts have jurisdiction over these matters.

Please don't be ridiculous. The anti-Trump NYT and Post, with highly paid lawyers on the pay roll, have both agreed that the deployment of the DHS is legal. 

 

Ellen Rosenblum's case is just political theatre, she in no way seriously expects to win the case, it's just political theatre.

 

Do you seriously think if this deployment were not legal the NYT and Post would not be all over this and making that very argument? The fact that they don't and have both concluded that the deployment of the DHS is legal clearly shows that the legal position is very clear.

 

Rosenblum's case doesn't even argue that the deployment of the DHS is illegal. She's complaining the DHS agents did not have the right to arrest, which is a non-starter as an argument. It's just political theatre.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes so poor Ellen Rosenblum couldn't make a case that the deployment of the DHS was illegal. All she's complaining about is the DHS had no warrant to arrest protesters. A ludicrous argument, she's obviously not realised that the DHS is there on the basis of federal law, and the officers can arrest on probably cause under federal law if someone is acting suspiciously in the vicinity of US federal property.

 

But then this whole legal action is political theatre and not meant as a serious legal case. She knows very well she has not chance to win. It's all about PR.

 

 

Supposition.

[RANGER55]

5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Please don't be ridiculous. The anti-Trump NYT and Post, with highly paid lawyers on the pay roll, have both agreed that the deployment of the DHS is legal. 

 

Ellen Rosenblum's case is just political theatre, she in no way seriously expects to win the case, it's just political theatre.

 

Do you seriously think if this deployment were not legal the NYT and Post would not be all over this and making that very argument? The fact that they don't and have both concluded that the deployment of the DHS is legal clearly shows that the legal position is very clear.

 

Rosenblum's case doesn't even argue that the deployment of the DHS is illegal. She's complaining the DHS agents did not have the right to arrest, which is a non-starter as an argument. It's just political theatre.

She is arguing that the DHS don’t have arrest authority, funny. I bet there is a lot of people sitting in federal prison right now just wishing it was not true.

[Logosone]

21 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Yes, I know very well that the justified frustration/anger has been building over the last three to four decades. There are justified reasons and until the underlying issues are addressed that frustration/anger will remain. It is the same in international conflicts. Oh, you can keep the thumb on for some time but the boiling remains. The wisest thing historically, is to address the issues, not use force to make it appear subdued and claim that you have a citizen centered government.

There are no underlying issues. None whatsoever. The BLM people claimed that blacks were killed in disproportionate numbers by police, which we now know is a lie, a deceit and an untruth.

 

Unfortunately if people start violence against you then you have no other option to defend yourself. Nobody wants the violence. But BLM and its leftist ANTIFA thugs started this violence. Not Trump.

 

What justified reasons do you have in mind, the claim by BLM about disproporionate killings by the police were shown to be lies. So what justified claim would this be?

 

In reality the frustration and anger is completely UNjustified and merely a result of Trump being of the wrong political persuasion for leftist extremists. From the day of his inauguration leftists have tried to torpedo this president and now are using outright violence. Let them choke on their anger when they're arrested and sit in a police cell.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Logosone

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Please don't be ridiculous. The anti-Trump NYT and Post, with highly paid lawyers on the pay roll, have both agreed that the deployment of the DHS is legal. 

 

Ellen Rosenblum's case is just political theatre, she in no way seriously expects to win the case, it's just political theatre.

 

Do you seriously think if this deployment were not legal the NYT and Post would not be all over this and making that very argument? The fact that they don't and have both concluded that the deployment of the DHS is legal clearly shows that the legal position is very clear.

 

Rosenblum's case doesn't even argue that the deployment of the DHS is illegal. She's complaining the DHS agents did not have the right to arrest, which is a non-starter as an argument. It's just political theatre.

Again you get distracted by your imagination of what the NYT might do.

 

The complaint before the court is not about the right to make arrests.

 

It’s about the illegal detention of individuals and moving them from a public place and that these detentions  categorically were not arrests.

 

You might think detaining people without due cause and without the protections afforded under ‘arrest’ is political theater, I strongly suspect the court will disagree.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, RANGER55 said:

She is arguing that the DHS don’t have arrest authority, funny. I bet there is a lot of people sitting in federal prison right now just wishing it was not true.

No she’s not, she’s accusing UN identified Federal Officers of ‘Detaining’ and ‘moving people’ out of the public without arrest and without due cause.

 

 

[Logosone]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again you get distracted by your imagination of what the NYT might do.

 

The complaint before the court is not about the right to make arrests.

 

It’s about the illegal detention of individuals and moving them from a public place and that these detentions  categorically were not arrests.

 

You might think detaining people without due cause and without the protections afforded under ‘arrest’ is political theater, I strongly suspect the court will disagree.

 

 

 

Lol, oh dear, will you be disappointed. See, the DHS agents did not detain people "without due cause". They very much had probable cause to suspect they were about to damage, or had damaged, federal property. 

 

They don't need probable cause under Oregon laws, under federal law is enough.

 

"Pettibone alleges that he was put into a cell and read his Miranda rights, but was not told why he was arrested".

 

Sounds like Rosenblum is very much talking about arrests.

 

And then "And the State of Oregon has enacted laws that make it a crime to detain a person without authority", as you see here Rosenblum totally fails to grasp that Oregon laws  are irrelevant, that the DHS is there on federal law authority. But then Rosenblum probably knows this, and this whole action is just political theatre.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Logosone

[malibukid]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And they call it the land of the free...

 

utter distraction.  Trump has blood on his hands due to his feckless handling of the pandemic.  he is simply not up to the task of leading America out of this crisis.  he does not love America, he only loves his poll numbers.  he's not a  stable genius as he likes to call himself, he is a evil clown who is out of his depth.  America is imploding and this virus has revealed the ugly truth that America values capital over life.  a lot of people knew this and some did not believe this its a very inconvenient truth.

Edited July 23, 2020 by malibukid

[wwest5829]

32 minutes ago, Logosone said:

There are no underlying issues. None whatsoever. The BLM people claimed that blacks were killed in disproportionate numbers by police, which we now know is a lie, a deceit and an untruth.

 

Unfortunately if people start violence against you then you have no other option to defend yourself. Nobody wants the violence. But BLM and its leftist ANTIFA thugs started this violence. Not Trump.

 

What justified reasons do you have in mind, the claim by BLM about disproporionate killings by the police were shown to be lies. So what justified claim would this be?

 

In reality the frustration and anger is completely UNjustified and merely a result of Trump being of the wrong political persuasion for leftist extremists. From the day of his inauguration leftists have tried to torpedo this president and now are using outright violence. Let them choke on their anger when they're arrested and sit in a police cell.

I cannot see any profile information posted about your background so I can only judge from your writing that you are not aware of US History. It is replete with injustices, some of which were corrected over time some are still being fought against today. I and others see the income/wealth gap as having grown to unsustainable levelscand the resulting justified frustration/anger is exactly why some i n the working middle class, mistakenly, hoped that The Donald would address. Had they read and comprehended his personal history they might have realized his incompetence.

[RANGER55]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Unidentifiable people dragging.others away in unmarked vehicles.

 

If protestors started shooting those unidentified people they would have a very good case.

 

Maybe it wont be long before local police step in and arrest those unidentifiable people.

You are kidding right. I would bet 99% of the PPD wish they were right beside the feds kicking those little wonker A--. Is that how the Brits say it (wonker)? Watch the video of the PPD yesterday clearing the park before they could set up one of those little zones. You could see the frustration and anger on their face and actions. Love the one PPD stuffing the white guy with his man bun into the patrol car, bam.

 

Till they start shooting back, maybe in the hoods in the inner cities. Those little worms in Portland, to much of momma’s baby. Mommy, can you go with me tonight so those police don’t beat me up!

 

Off to gym now, later Kathie’s.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Yes it's possibly the bravest moment of his Presidency(and there have been some heroic actions - out-staring  Iran, Kim and Xi a dozen times is epic too!). He can not win personally by sweeping these violent and democrat endorsed leftists off the streets. A personal disaster for Trump, he will be called a nazi, a white supremacist, fascist, probably some inane orange nonsense as usual. The legacy media will maul him, polls will tank. But he doesn't care.

 

 The Trump administration does not cower to violent leftists no matter what legacy support they have in their goal to end traditional nuclear families, capitalism, the police and a free America. God bless Donald Trump. Supporting the silent majority, and ensuring a safe and level playing field for all.

 

  

"and there have been some heroic actions - out-staring  Iran, Kim and Xi a dozen times is epic too!"

 

Help us out; how has Trump's clueless, uninformed, headline seeking dealings with Iran, North Korea, and China made the US or the world a better place?

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"and there have been some heroic actions - out-staring  Iran, Kim and Xi a dozen times is epic too!"

 

Help us out; how has Trump's clueless, uninformed, headline seeking dealings with Iran, North Korea, and China made the US or the world a better place?

Well all the evidence is in about him making the US a nice safe place.

 

But give him a break, he thinks identifying a drawing of an elephant is difficult.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Sujo