UK steps up plans to tackle migrant Channel crossings with new commander

[chrisinth]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your seemingly authoritative post would benefit from a links to relative legislation.

Granted, this is just guidelines for pleasure craft. The failure to report would make it illegal.

 

 

Another reference can be found at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sailing-a-leisure-craft-to-and-from-the-uk (basically saying the same thing) Extract from that website:

 

 

For any vessel/craft inside territorial waters that cause suspicion, they can be stopped, searched & questioned at the discretion of the investigating authority. Just trust me on that, I'm not looking for references for this..................

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Like I said, you would have to build a wall in the channel then in order to not let anyone in in the first place. Once their boats are in UK waters, what the UK gonna do? 

perhaps take a leaf out of the land of smiles book and put illegal immigrants in prison.

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not subtle at all, your xenophobia and racism is crystal clear.

 

Yes anyone who won't ignore laws the left wing don't consider politically correct must be denounced.

 

Xenophobic, racist, oh and you forgot fascist too!

 

 

 

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

once they are in britains territorial waters with the intention of illegally entering the uk,yes.

We have no right to stop them in French waters, no right to stop them in international waters. (Rescue is not the same as stop.)

 

Once they are in UK territorial waters, international law and UNHCR conventions to which the UK is a signatory all say that they are the UK's responsibility.

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

perhaps take a leaf out of the land of smiles book and put illegal immigrants in prison.

 

Or turn the boats around, and give them a good hard push back out into international waters!

 

But, seriously, I agree. Any illegal immigrants should be placed in a not too comfortable detention center whilst their fate is decided: genuine asylum or deportation for illegal economic migrants. No four star accommodation with free wifi, clothes, food etc etc etc. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Baerboxer

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

We have no right to stop them in French waters, no right to stop them in international waters. (Rescue is not the same as stop.)

 

Once they are in UK territorial waters, international law and UNHCR conventions to which the UK is a signatory all say that they are the UK's responsibility.

 

Maybe the UK should take a leaf out of Australia's book? They dealt with too many illegals coming by boat.

 

Isle of Wight could house some nice detention centers. 

[Baerboxer]

18 minutes ago, sungod said:

Thanks Gilly, whats your view on the Indian Ocean?

 

He'll have interesting views on the South China see then!

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Boarding a boat is probably not illegal, so there’s nothing much the French police can do about it. They could patrol the border in the channel, but that would cost a bit for nothing in return (quite the opposite, they’re probably happy to get rid of people who want to leave anyway; wow, that sounds like Brexit). So the UK would have to pay if it wanted to outsource their border control to the French, but that would upset Brexiteers who wanted to “take back control” of their borders. So in the end, the UK will have to deal with them, unless it wants to build a wall in the channel. Sending them back will hardly work as many don’t have paperwork. It’s not like you can put them in the mail and write “E. Macron, Paris” on it. 
 

I believe the UK and France will agree on a deal similar to the one between the EU and Turkey. 

 

 

If you can't see the difference between Brexit and mass illegal economic immigration then you really are beyond any form of intelligent reasoning.

 

Are you seriously suggesting France will use the threat of aiding and abetting illegal immigration into the UK as levers to get money (or fishing rights) out of the UK?

 

Wow, just how low has shifty France sunk in your opinion?

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Like I said, you would have to build a wall in the channel then in order to not let anyone in in the first place. Once their boats are in UK waters, what the UK gonna do? 

 

So you don't see the irony in countries trying to shift these illegals onto others?

 

France suffers because other EU countries won't process them and allow them to travel into France. Now you want France to do the same?

 

As to what the UK should do? Intern all illegal immigrants in detention camps, very basic camps. Not 4 star hotels, with wifi, clothes, food and pocket money provided. No welfare benefits, zilch. They stay there till they're sorted out. Genuine asylum this way and welcome. Illegal economic chancers - work camps until deportation.

 

Whilst there's plenty of freebies, including houses, health care, education, spending money etc they'll keep coming; and when there's enough demand more and more.  

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Unlikely and most definitely ineffective.

Francophone migrants from the former French colonies have settled in France and aspire their families and neighbors.

Likewise, English-speaking migrants (more numerous) from the former British colonies have settled in the UK and attract their relatives.

The simplistic solutions that flourish in the statements of demagogic politicians (and in social media) are intended only responding to naive voters.

naive voters ? what the people who have to live with the consequences of politicians social engineering projects?

[Donga]

57 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Maybe the UK should take a leaf out of Australia's book? They dealt with too many illegals coming by boat.

 

Isle of Wight could house some nice detention centers. 

Big boats and lots of them. All sorts of detention centres (Christmas Island, Nauru, Papua New Guinea) and so much fuss from the Left on the issue. Illegal people smuggling at outrageous prices and folk told to not bring passports or ID. Crazy. The refugees as they are called on the ABC still have their supporters, but slowly the vast majority have come around to accept we gave the right to decide who enters our country. There's still a few hundred in detention, and some horrid experiences, but it stopped the waves of boats coming.

We welcomed 80,000 Vietnamese refugees in the 70s and they have been wonderful additions to our country. We pull our weight in taking official refugees. But illegal boat people is different, for a number of reasons. And unfortunately if the people smugglers see a green light, they'll keep on bringing them in, illegally.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Donga

[kingdong]

21 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you don't see the irony in countries trying to shift these illegals onto others?

 

France suffers because other EU countries won't process them and allow them to travel into France. Now you want France to do the same?

 

As to what the UK should do? Intern all illegal immigrants in detention camps, very basic camps. Not 4 star hotels, with wifi, clothes, food and pocket money provided. No welfare benefits, zilch. They stay there till they're sorted out. Genuine asylum this way and welcome. Illegal economic chancers - work camps until deportation.

 

Whilst there's plenty of freebies, including houses, health care, education, spending money etc they'll keep coming; and when there's enough demand more and more.  

and fast track repatriation,if laws need changing so be it.

[david555]

10 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

 

for illegal immigrants if not it should be

The termination "illegal immigrant" is yet to decide if their processing is not acceptable ...and after legal procedure is complete terminated …. so long it is just a legally accusation at best...  

Edited August 10, 2020 by david555

[kingdong]

41 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Or turn the boats around, and give them a good hard push back out into international waters!

 

But, seriously, I agree. Any illegal immigrants should be placed in a not too comfortable detention center whilst their fate is decided: genuine asylum or deportation for illegal economic migrants. No four star accommodation with free wifi, clothes, food etc etc etc. 

if they were genuine refugees who fled for their lives they should be happy they,re safe.

[david555]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

if they were genuine refugees who fled for their lives they should be happy they,re safe.

So right you are , normally they should stay at first safe country they get to …..but they don't .

That is why the first wave used flight's straight o the country of their wish , for those who went in business agreement with organized  smugglers from their own country …. now this ones try to go half their own travel way , at lower price ,and further using local smugglers ...

 

The west experienced now the consequences  from the removal from dictators  Sadam & Khadafi …..the buffers are gone 

[elliss]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

"There will be discussions this week to continue the strengthening of bilateral cooperation in the fight against illegal crossings of the English Channel,” the spokesman said.

 

Out of curiosity, is it actually illegal to cross the English Channel?

 

 

 

 

 

   Into UK , seems the norm,  for immigrants .

    Magnetic attraction , being, social security free housing , free health care , etc.

    Paid for by UK taxpayers . Not many of us left , soon we will be an extinct species ...

 

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by elliss

[mrfill]

10 hours ago, twocatsmac said:

A few canons dotted along the coastline would solve the problem.

Along with several bishops, archbishops, a few vicars and a couple of dozen nuns.

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, david555 said:

So right you are , normally they should stay at first safe country they get to …..but they don't .

That is why the first wave used flight's straight o the country of their wish , for those who went in business agreement with organized  smugglers from their own country …. now this ones try to go half their own travel way , at lower price ,and further using local smugglers ...

 

The west experienced now the consequences  from the removal from dictators  Sadam & Khadafi …..the buffers are gone 

the uk has no legal or moral duty to economic migrants,we,ve got enough indigenous ponces of our own without importing them,instead of worrying about people wanting to illegally enter this country they should just refuse any admittance except through the proper channels,world opinion? yesterdays fish and chip wrappers,sorry i forgot the eu banned that.

[david555]

Just now, kingdong said:

the uk has no legal or moral duty to economic migrants,we,ve got enough indigenous ponces of our own without importing them,instead of worrying about people wanting to illegally enter this country they should just refuse any admittance except through the proper channels,world opinion? yesterdays fish and chip wrappers,sorry i forgot the eu banned that.

"The uk has no legal or moral duty to economic migrants"     

 

Even not my point.... , just stating politic facts as mistakes to remove those who could control their own , now more people died than under them while they where in power  (not praising them , just seeing facts that oil was/is the main reason  ...

 

That is not a worry on those "economicos" their mind if you recognize a moral duty or not  …. they come their way rob taking back they claim ….. not as we westerners came a few centuries ago to their country's  and just put our Flags in the sand and claimed it for any Crown ……

 

oh ! that where the days ????isnt'it ???? ? well they are coming now to claim a piece of their cake they find 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, chrisinth said:

Granted, this is just guidelines for pleasure craft. The failure to report would make it illegal.

 

 

Another reference can be found at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sailing-a-leisure-craft-to-and-from-the-uk (basically saying the same thing) Extract from that website:

 

 

For any vessel/craft inside territorial waters that cause suspicion, they can be stopped, searched & questioned at the discretion of the investigating authority. Just trust me on that, I'm not looking for references for this..................

Nothing at all stating it is illegal to sail across the English Channel, though there might be some requirement to declare goods.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing at all stating it is illegal to sail across the English Channel, though there might be some requirement to declare goods.

Waw  an opportunity for the missing fishing from French fishermans ....just play channel taxi just short before U.K. territorial .....unload the dinghy(s) and there they go .....a brexit opportunity /compensation as an extra for the missed cods......????????????

Just teasing chaps ....(however it could be legal ...hmm???? )

????

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, elliss said:

 

   Into UK , seems the norm,  for immigrants .

    Magnetic attraction , being, social security free housing , free health care , etc.

    Paid for by UK taxpayers . Not many of us left , soon we will be an extinct species ...

 

 

ah the wonderful benefits,pity they don,t extend to the old age pension which is one of the worst in Europe,charity begins at home?obviously not.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

"The uk has no legal or moral duty to economic migrants"     

 

Even not my point.... , just stating politic facts as mistakes to remove those who could control their own , now more people died than under them while they where in power  (not praising them , just seeing facts that oil was/is the main reason  ...

 

That is not a worry on those "economicos" their mind if you recognize a moral duty or not  …. they come their way rob taking back they claim ….. not as we westerners came a few centuries ago to their country's  and just put our Flags in the sand and claimed it for any Crown ……

 

oh ! that where the days ????isnt'it ???? ? well they are coming now to claim a piece of their cake they find 

get your point and totally agree about what you,re saying about letting them all kill each other .,too many british soldiers have died and been crippled down to intervention,let them all get on with it,and if they,ve got a dodgy dictator,have a peoples uprising..

[david555]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

get your point and totally agree about what you,re saying about letting them all kill each other .,too many british soldiers have died and been crippled down to intervention,let them all get on with it,and if they,ve got a dodgy dictator,have a peoples uprising..

i did not meant it so drastic , but interference in other country's is sometimes made for opportunistic purposes (oil is one of them, or geo military  interest from eg. World powers )  like for now Syria is in destruction all under the flag of human rights ,  which created a big refugee problem , same for Afghanistan …. Russians gave up , moved out …. Americans moved in for their chance ...and can also not win ….. looks like training camp for big war(s)

 

All those created the refugee mess …..+ the economic ones , our own Western gov. have created by their interference. 

[kingdong]

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

i did not meant it so drastic , but interference in other country's is sometimes made for opportunistic purposes (oil is one of them, or geo military  interest from eg. World powers )  like for now Syria is in destruction all under the flag of human rights ,  which created a big refugee problem , same for Afghanistan …. Russians gave up , moved out …. Americans moved in for their chance ...and can also not win ….. looks like training camp for big war(s)

 

All those created the refugee mess …..+ the economic ones , our own Western gov. have created by their interference. 

finally agreed with you britain is no longer a world leader its a skint little laughing stock where every ponce makes a bee line for.britain should not interfere in other countries affairs,it didn,t in zimbabwe when mugabe started murdering british farmers,there is also a swing in seeking alternate energy sources to oil,carry that on so these dictatorships haven,t got us over the barrel.however at present it should concentrate on getting its own house in order,and if these rogue states want to start getting lairy,bomb them into the stone age.

[Scott]

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[TopDeadSenter]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing at all stating it is illegal to sail across the English Channel, though there might be some requirement to declare goods.

1) As a commercial enterprise, the dingy "captain" must have a valid captains license and adequate insurance for his customers. Having neither a captains license nor insurance is very illegal. 

2)Max seating capacity. Most of these blow up dingies have a max 4 person seating. Cramming a dozen strapping lads onto it is clearly way over loaded. Again, for most people this would be totally illegal and would be arrested by the harbor master as soon as they left the dock.

3)Required navigation and communication devices. Are these dingys fitted with VHF radios, GPS transmitters as required on all other commercial vessels

 4)intent to bypass official immigration channels - I'm pretty sure people smuggling is still illegal.

5) Required navigation lights. Red-port/green starboard. plus general running lights. Captaining an un-seaworthy vessel through the world's busiest shipping land without lights is both insane and dangerous.

6)non compliance with covid social distancing measures and failure to wear face masks.

 

 Well it's a start Chomper. Totally illegal. The question is why are laws being selectively enforced, and is it possible that selective law enforcement/official double standards might be inflammatory and divisive and lead to negative sentiment towards migrants and the government?

Edited August 10, 2020 by TopDeadSenter

[grumpy 4680]

21 hours ago, gamini said:

But the UK is prepared to allow in millions of rich Chinese, Hong Kong!

       Yes, as they have UK passports. and not arriving in rubber boats, illegally.

[Stocky]

On 8/10/2020 at 6:18 AM, webfact said:

Britain appointed a commander on Sunday to lead its response to illegal small boat crossings across the Channel and said it was exploring tougher action after a spate of migrant arrivals.

What's his name, Canute - he'll have as much luck turning the tide as last time.

 

(Edited: doesn't like the Danish spelling!)

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Stocky

[grumpy 4680]

    Why do so many ignorant people blame the US, UK, or even Russia over Oil, Those countries that have serious problems, have been invaded to end the violence that's been going on, they have not been colonised, but left to manage their own affairs after the the violence has ended. Then its the new rulers and warlords that start all over again, because they are incapable of running those countries without corruption.

      Its true the worlds oil supply is important, but the so called invaders have not gone in to steal or take it.