Can I use a hotel or guesthouse address for the 90-day reports?

[GoGet]

Hi,

 

I'm GoGet. A very nice and polite guy.

 

I have never made a 90-day report before.

 

I was wondering if I can use a hotel or guesthouse address for the 90-day reports? I live in an apartment but I don't want to bother my landlady with this kind of paperwork. 

 

Do I need permission from the guesthouse to use their address for the 90-day report or can I just fill out the form online with their address and submit it if I rent a room in a guesthouse temporarily?

 

GoGet

[ubonjoe]

Why have you never done a 90 day report before?

If if is due to never being able to stay longer than 90 days in the country then you do not need to worry about it.

If needed you would have to do it in person. The online reporting would not work for you or immigration would disapprove it.

[GoGet]

54 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Why have you never done a 90 day report before?

If if is due to never being able to stay longer than 90 days in the country then you do not need to worry about it.

If needed you would have to do it in person. The online reporting would not work for you or immigration would disapprove it.

@ubonjoe

 

I have mostly had tourist visas before and doing border runs. I cannot remember ever doing a TM-47 before. 

 

As far as I know the first time I have to visit immigration in person to register my address but after that perhaps I can do online reporting.

 

The question is also if I could use a guesthouse or hotel address for the TM-47 and TM-30 if I stay there for one or a few nights first instead of using my apartment address.

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, GoGet said:

The question is also if I could use a guesthouse or hotel address for the TM-47 and TM-30 if I stay there for one or a few nights first instead of using my apartment address.

You use the guest house address for the 90 day report since they normally do not ask for a confirmation of your address.

The guesthouse would be responsible for doing the TM30 report.

It would be best to use your apartment address.

 

[steve187]

in fact they are not required until 26th sept, what entry stamp are you on in Thailand that requires a 90 day report, . if you are applying for a yearly extension based on marriage/retirement for the 1st time, the extension counts as the 90 day report

[GoGet]

7 minutes ago, steve187 said:

in fact they are not required until 26th sept, what entry stamp are you on in Thailand that requires a 90 day report, . if you are applying for a yearly extension based on marriage/retirement for the 1st time, the extension counts as the 90 day report

I will be here after September 26. 

Just trying to find a way to do my 90-day reports using another address to make life easier for my landlady.

[ubonjoe]

14 minutes ago, GoGet said:

Just trying to find a way to do my 90-day reports using another address to make life easier for my landlady.

You address only needs to confirm once and that is when you apply for a visa or extension at immigration. After that there is no need to do it again. You just keep using the same address for all of your 90 day reports.

[FlyingThai]

49 minutes ago, GoGet said:

I will be here after September 26. 

Just trying to find a way to do my 90-day reports using another address to make life easier for my landlady.

Did your landlord ever file a TM.30 on you as required? Asking because many property owners don’t do that as they rent out their place “under the table”.
 

Because if not that could be another issue when trying to do a TM.47 for that residence.

[GoGet]

1 hour ago, FlyingThai said:

Did your landlord ever file a TM.30 on you as required? Asking because many property owners don’t do that as they rent out their place “under the table”.
 

Because if not that could be another issue when trying to do a TM.47 for that residence.

No, she did not file a TM-30 when I moved in. So I don't want to ask them now either. 

 

As I said I am not trying to do a TM-47 for this residence. I am trying to do a TM-47 using another address, preferably a temporary one. 

[Bogbrush]

You must register and then use the address for 90 day as the address at which you physically reside, if for no other reason that is where Immigration will come looking for you if/when they which to ascertain your bona fides. To do anything else is just trying to buck the system, is illegal and will get you a one way ticket out. 
 

In condos etc it can be a battle to get a landlord to comply with the initial TM30 registration, but you must persevere..it’s the law, and the law has a habit of catching up with you in the end.

[Peter Denis]

When in Thailand on a Tourist Visa there is no need to file a 90-day report. 

But you state that you want to stay in Thailand after 26 September (end of the Amnesty), which means you need to apply for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa at your local IO.  Most probably your local IO will not want to handle such application when on the Amnesty extension. 

If you did not yet use your 30-day extension of stay the Tourist Visa entitles you to, you could apply for that 30-day extension of stay and from the 'valid' permission to stay that 30-day extension provided you, you can then apply for the 90-day Non Imm O Visa.

If you are married to a thai national or have thai dependant children, you can also apply for a 60-day extension of stay (if you did not use it yet since you last entered Thailand).

Applying for that 30-day or 60-day extension of stay should best be done in the final days of the Amnesty, as they will start from date of application.  The subsequent application for the 90-day Non Imm O Visa should be done when you still have at least 15 days (some IOs require 23 days) left on the 'valid' permission to stay from that 30- or 60-day permission to stay.

Note that you would need to show evidence of your residence when applying for the 60-day extension or the 90-day Non Imm O Visa, which means a TM30 has to be filed stating that you - a foreigner - is staying at that place. 

You seem particularly concerned not to bother your landlady, but it is she that is normally expected to have filed a TM30 of you staying at her premises.  However, you can also do the TM30 notification on her behalf, or as tenant of the place you are residing.  If you need information on how to do that, just PM me.

 

[PDPA2024]

58 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

However, you can also do the TM30 notification on her behalf, or as tenant of the place you are residing.  If you need information on how to do that, just PM me.

Can you do it without power of attorney signed by landlord/landlady?

[FlyingThai]

FYI in case it helps, I recently approached a big hotel in BKK where I usually stay if they can provide me with a copy of the TM.30 for purposes of Immigration (affixing the Thailand Elite Visa into my passport).

 

As per hotel management they can provide this a few hours after check-in.

[PDPA2024]

2 minutes ago, FlyingThai said:

FYI in case it helps, I recently approached a big hotel in BKK where I usually stay if they can provide me with a copy of the TM.30 for purposes of Immigration (affixing the Thailand Elite Visa into my passport).

 

As per hotel management they can provide this a few hours after check-in.

I got mine from a hostel ???? It takes only a minute, since they do TM30 online. But I'm curious to know if someone successfully did 90-day report with hotel address. Hopefully, travel bubble will be implemented by the end of 2020, so I won't have to bother with that.

[Bogbrush]

4 minutes ago, redpill17 said:

But I'm curious to know if someone successfully did 90-day report with hotel address. 

Yes; I live in an hotel and 90 day reporting is no problem either on line or drive-through. Neither is the annual extension. 

[Peter Denis]

37 minutes ago, redpill17 said:

Can you do it without power of attorney signed by landlord/landlady?

Yes, because when you register the premisses on-line using the IO TM30 website, and you do this on behalf of the landlord/landlady you only need a copy of the house-book (as proof of address) and a signed front/back copy of the ID-card of the landlord/landlady.

If your landlord/landlady is unwilling to provide you with those documents, you could register as tenant, and then you only need a copy of the rental contract (with address of the premisses) and a copy of the ID-page of your passport.

[thaisabai]

59 minutes ago, redpill17 said:

I got mine from a hostel ???? It takes only a minute, since they do TM30 online. But I'm curious to know if someone successfully did 90-day report with hotel address. Hopefully, travel bubble will be implemented by the end of 2020, so I won't have to bother with that.

I do my 90 days reports with the hotel address since 2 years. However, I also stay at the hotel since 2 years

 

thaisabai

[NoshowJones]

3 hours ago, Bogbrush said:

You must register and then use the address for 90 day as the address at which you physically reside, if for no other reason that is where Immigration will come looking for you if/when they which to ascertain your bona fides. To do anything else is just trying to buck the system, is illegal and will get you a one way ticket out. 
 

In condos etc it can be a battle to get a landlord to comply with the initial TM30 registration, but you must persevere..it’s the law, and the law has a habit of catching up with you in the end.

"and the law has a habit of catching up with you in the end" That's not been my experience, although I am mainly referring to the UK.

[DrJack54]

Just on my way home from 90 day report at temporary office Bangkok.

I had application form and passport with TM6. 

I took along lease etc. Not required.

When io read my address, he said....."you live there at condo'". I answered yes.

That was it.

BTW my first ever 90 day report.

[Peter Denis]

43 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Just on my way home from 90 day report at temporary office Bangkok.

I had application form and passport with TM6. 

I took along lease etc. Not required.

When io read my address, he said....."you live there at condo'". I answered yes.

That was it.

BTW my first ever 90 day report.

Did you get a 90-day notification slip, with your next due date?

Should be 11 November.

And now that your local IO has your data on file, you will be able to do your next 90-day report on-line during the 15 days to due date window (27 Oct - 11 Nov).  Best to make a note on your calendar, and recommended to do it in the final days as your next due date will then be 90 days after submission/approval of that on-line report.

[DrJack54]

44 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Did you get a 90-day notification slip, with your next due date?

Should be 11 November.

And now that your local IO has your data on file, you will be able to do your next 90-day report on-line during the 15 days to due date window (27 Oct - 11 Nov).  Best to make a note on your calendar, and recommended to do it in the final days as your next due date will then be 90 days after submission/approval of that on-line report.

Yes Peter, was given "Receipt of Notification". Red stamp bottom left states my next report..12/Nov/2020.

While I'm here, added info for anyone applying for Certificate of Residence. 

I applied today for that also. After you obtain your 90 day Receipt of Notification, (@muang thong Thani) you go back down stairs and photocopy and return upstairs to obtain new desk #. The Reports are A and other matters such as CR are B.

Very good service btw.

I paid 400b as I was obtaining for car and bike licence. She also didn't ask to see my lease but noticed in my bundle of paperwork an old tm30 and grabbed that. However don't worry if you don't have a tm30. I could tell she was just carefully checking address detail for mailing of the CR. The first lady wasn't interested in tm30 (nor should be).

Was surprised lease not looked at.

That was it along with pp cover page and last extension and most recent reentry stamp and TM6.

BTW don't use Google maps to find the office. There are private access entries that Google does not recognise.

[USNret]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Just on my way home from 90 day report at temporary office Bangkok.

I had application form and passport with TM6. 

I took along lease etc. Not required.

When io read my address, he said....."you live there at condo'". I answered yes.

That was it.

BTW my first ever 90 day report.

Dr. Jack, I'm going there on Monday. Where is the BKK temporary office?  

[Peter Denis]

3 minutes ago, USNret said:

Dr. Jack, I'm going there on Monday. Where is the BKK temporary office?  

The temporary immigration office section A opened at the Police Investigation Bureau on 13 July. Entrance to the compound is near the SCG building at the side.

To get to Muang Thong Thani take the 166 bus from the Victory Monument.

[USNret]

21 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

The temporary immigration office section A opened at the Police Investigation Bureau on 13 July. Entrance to the compound is near the SCG building at the side.

To get to Muang Thong Thani take the 166 bus from the Victory Monument.

Does this look right?  I will be driving.  I can't find "Police Investigation Bureau" on google maps, so this is the route from the Govt Complex Bldg B to the Department of Special Investigations (the closest police thing I could find nearby). 

[Peter Denis]

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Thai+Immigration+(Temporary+VISA+Extension+Center)/@13.9177527,100.5427084,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x4e8bd20973995955!8m2!3d13.9187125!4d100.5492494

> If map doesn't open within ThaiVisa copy paste the link in your browser

[USNret]

Just now, Peter Denis said:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Thai+Immigration+(Temporary+VISA+Extension+Center)/@13.9177527,100.5427084,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x4e8bd20973995955!8m2!3d13.9187125!4d100.5492494

> If map doesn't open within ThaiVisa copy paste the link in your browser

The map opened perfectly.  Thank you! 

This is my first 90-day report, thus must be in person. Hopefully it goes as smoothly as everyone has said. 

[Max69xl]

23 hours ago, steve187 said:

in fact they are not required until 26th sept, what entry stamp are you on in Thailand that requires a 90 day report, . if you are applying for a yearly extension based on marriage/retirement for the 1st time, the extension counts as the 90 day report

"the extension counts as the 90 day report"

That's what many people says, but I'm not actually sure it's true. It depends on the immigration office. 

[Max69xl]

On 8/13/2020 at 12:38 PM, GoGet said:

@ubonjoe

 

I have mostly had tourist visas before and doing border runs. I cannot remember ever doing a TM-47 before. 

 

As far as I know the first time I have to visit immigration in person to register my address but after that perhaps I can do online reporting.

 

The question is also if I could use a guesthouse or hotel address for the TM-47 and TM-30 if I stay there for one or a few nights first instead of using my apartment address.

If you haven't stayed in Thailand 90 days after an entry, then you haven't done a 90 days report. The TM47 form is very simple and not to confuse with the TM30 report where you need copies of this and that incl for example the rental contract. Use your real address. Are you leaving before September 26? If yes, no need for a 90 days report. Maybe the "amnesty" will be extended, who knows?