Drawing criticism, Trump says he will accept Republican nomination 'live from the White House'

[Morch]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

confirming plans that have drawn criticism from Democrats and even some fellow Republicans.

Surprise, surprise, surprise, NOT.

If the nomination was delivered on tablets of stone from Mt Sinai, he's still be criticised.

 

Reading Trump supporters' posts it would appear criticizing Trump is some sort of sin.

 

Perhaps, if some of the criticism leveled at Trump was to be acknowledged, addressed, and accepted - rather than the almost automatic full scale pushbacks - then the "defense" point of view would carry more weight.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Neither can Trump-haters such as yourself find anything to praise him.  Rather you seek only to find fault.  Isn't that obedience as well?  Why should we air whatever displeasure we have about Trump?  It would just be akin to enabling someone's sickness.

 

There is no obligation to praise Trump. In most democratic systems, the opposition's role does not include praising the incumbent leader as a core requirement Criticizing, checking and challenging the government, on the other hand, are generally accepted as what an opposition is about.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

A classic example of taking a discussion and completely misdirecting it.

 

A classic example of failing to own up what you posted, going for the lame deflection instead.

[johnnybangkok]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Neither can Trump-haters such as yourself find anything to praise him.  Rather you seek only to find fault.  Isn't that obedience as well?  Why should we air whatever displeasure we have about Trump?  It would just be akin to enabling someone's sickness.

Ok, I'll praise him.

I think his attempt to bring jobs/industries back to the US is commendable (although still backing dying industries such as coal is not). I think his stance on China was needed; someone had to stand up to their very obvious plagarism and currency manipulation, but again I don't think tariffs and boycots work and all he's managed to do is pay farmers vast amounts to make up for their China shortfall.

And that's about it.

I think his cons vastly outweigh his pros and he's dividing America like no POTUS before. His chaotic approach to government has seen individuals of dubious qualications and allegiances put into positions of power they are simply not qualified for. He has associated himself with crooks rather than 'draining the swamp' as he boasted. So far, 7 of his 'associates' are now convicted felons. 

He also defrauded his own charity and his handling of the pandemic has been nothing short of a disaster. His constant Tweeting and getting invloved in matters beneath every other POTUS is the past is ridiculous and his constant childish name calling is dragging identity politics to even greater lows. And finally his tendancy to cosy up to dictators and depots at the expense of his own security forces and long standing US allies is just unbelievable. 

 

But yeah, he's done a couple of ok things.

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You have been asked many, many times why you think the Dems are 'the radical left' so please either start providing examples of these 'radical left' ideas or please kindly refrain from what is a very obvious smear campaign.

Green New Deal for starters.  Tell me that's not radical.  Biden buys into it, does he not?

 

WaPo - Joe Biden embraces Green New Deal as he releases climate plan

 

Reparations for slavery.  People who never owned slaves pay reparations to blacks who were not slaves.  That makes sense, doesn't it?  Joe Biden wants to see a study.

Newsweek - Joe Biden Wants to See Studies About Feasibility of Slavery Reparations

 

And another:

 

Washington Times - Joe Biden's 1975 comments slamming slavery reparations, school busing resurfaced by WaPo

 

Oh, that was when Joe Biden was against reparations in '75.  Sorry, wrong article.

[Tippaporn]

18 minutes ago, Morch said:

There is no obligation to praise Trump. In most democratic systems, the opposition's role does not include praising the incumbent leader as a core requirement Criticizing, checking and challenging the government, on the other hand, are generally accepted as what an opposition is about.

An absolutely bogus explanation.  What I said applies from Day 1.  This criticism has nothing to do with an election cycle.

 

Edit:  If I read you wrong, re only the election cycle, then apologies.  Even still your idea that the opposition party does not include praise is bogus.  Credit where credit is due should be recognized by all regardless of ideologies.  You seem to think that the role of opposition is to oppose for the sake of opposing.  That's a ridiculous notion for reasons too obvious to state.

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Tippaporn

[KarenBravo]

If anyone says that Republican party stands for Law & Order, laugh in their face.

They used to, but, not now.

Lindsay Graham saying before the Senate hearing that he would find Trump not guilty, then taking an oath to judge impartially. No witnesses allowed by the Senate majority and Trump himself. Does that sound like the actions of an innocent man? (I use the word "man" loosely).

The years of silence from Republicans as Trump enriched himself through the presidency, belittling his allies, cosying up to Dictators whose contempt for law was equal to his own and the 20,000 lies and falsehoods that have been fact-checked.

Republican Part RIP.

Edited August 19, 2020 by KarenBravo

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Ok, I'll praise him.

I think his attempt to bring jobs/industries back to the US is commendable (although still backing dying industries such as coal is not). I think his stance on China was needed; someone had to stand up to their very obvious plagarism and currency manipulation, but again I don't think tariffs and boycots work and all he's managed to do is pay farmers vast amounts to make up for their China shortfall.

And that's about it.

I think his cons vastly outweigh his pros and he's dividing America like no POTUS before. His chaotic approach to government has seen individuals of dubious qualications and allegiances put into positions of power they are simply not qualified for. He has associated himself with crooks rather than 'draining the swamp' as he boasted. So far, 7 of his 'associates' are now convicted felons. 

He also defrauded his own charity and his handling of the pandemic has been nothing short of a disaster. His constant Tweeting and getting invloved in matters beneath every other POTUS is the past is ridiculous and his constant childish name calling is dragging identity politics to even greater lows. And finally his tendancy to cosy up to dictators and depots at the expense of his own security forces and long standing US allies is just unbelievable. 

 

But yeah, he's done a couple of ok things.

Congrats, you're the first lefty here to have done so (at least to my knowledge).  Keep looking for other commendable things and you'll find them.  They're there and quite visible.  But you have to have the willingness to look.

 

I have no problem with criticism of Trump.  I have my own.  Don't ask me what they are, though.  I'm not about to feed the trolls.

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Green New Deal for starters.  Tell me that's not radical.  Biden buys into it, does he not?

Goodness GND is radical left?  You really has no clue or just being recalcitrant. GND is about environmental policies that can help address economic and social priorities of middle-class including jobs, income equality, civil rights, social justice and poverty alleviation. It is progressive!!
 

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Goodness GND is radical left?  You really has no clue or just being recalcitrant. GND is about environmental policies that can help address economic and social priorities of middle-class including jobs, income equality, civil rights, social justice and poverty alleviation. It is progressive!!

Many of their proposals are radical and unworkable.  Perhaps the concept is progressive but their ideas for how it's to be implemented are radical.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Goodness GND is radical left?  You really has no clue or just being recalcitrant. GND is about environmental policies that can help address economic and social priorities of middle-class including jobs, income equality, civil rights, social justice and poverty alleviation. It is progressive!!
 

We have just seen from another poster that he considers whole democratic party extreme left. So something like this is no surprise.

[johnnybangkok]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Green New Deal for starters.  Tell me that's not radical.  Biden buys into it, does he not?

 

WaPo - Joe Biden embraces Green New Deal as he releases climate plan

 

Reparations for slavery.  People who never owned slaves pay reparations to blacks who were not slaves.  That makes sense, doesn't it?  Joe Biden wants to see a study.

Newsweek - Joe Biden Wants to See Studies About Feasibility of Slavery Reparations

 

And another:

 

Washington Times - Joe Biden's 1975 comments slamming slavery reparations, school busing resurfaced by WaPo

 

Oh, that was when Joe Biden was against reparations in '75.  Sorry, wrong article.

Green New Deal is offered by AOC and a handful of Dems. IT IS NOT offical Dem policy but Biden and many Dems have signed on to the concept’s most important pieces, while doing away with some of its more controversial, and less essential, trappings. https://slate.com/business/2020/07/joe-bidens-climate-plan-is-the-green-new-deal-minus-the-crazy.html It's also interesting to see how you think this is a 'radical far left' idea when most of Europe have also signed up to many parts of the New Green Deal as unlike Trump and the GOP, they actually believe science and think something dramatic has to be done.

So Biden wants to see a study on reparations for slavery and you take that as an endorsement. I see that as a man who wants all the information first BEFORE making a decision. You know, like a proper POTUS.

So 45 years ago, Biden's  made a comment on slavery reparations and you are now trying to spin this as his belief. 45 years ago I made a comment on the Teenage Ninja Turtles being the best thing since sliced bread. I have now changed my mind.

 

To be honest Tippaporn if this is the best you can come up with to describe Biden and the Dems as 'far-left radicals' then there really is no hope for you. Next time perhaps you can lob a ball that isn't quiet so easy to hit out of the park.

  

 

[johnnybangkok]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Congrats, you're the first lefty here to have done so (at least to my knowledge).  Keep looking for other commendable things and you'll find them.  They're there and quite visible.  But you have to have the willingness to look.

 

I have no problem with criticism of Trump.  I have my own.  Don't ask me what they are, though.  I'm not about to feed the trolls.

Your thoughts betray you, Tippaporn. I feel the good in you, the conflict. But I don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side. If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny. Come away from the Dark side. Come to the light Tippaporn. I am your Father.

 

????

[audaciousnomad]

 

On 8/18/2020 at 9:07 AM, riclag said:

Whats the big deal,he lives and works there

U.S. Law does not allow you to campaign at your place of work.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Green New Deal is offered by AOC and a handful of Dems. IT IS NOT offical Dem policy but Biden and many Dems have signed on to the concept’s most important pieces, while doing away with some of its more controversial, and less essential, trappings. https://slate.com/business/2020/07/joe-bidens-climate-plan-is-the-green-new-deal-minus-the-crazy.html It's also interesting to see how you think this is a 'radical far left' idea when most of Europe have also signed up to many parts of the New Green Deal as unlike Trump and the GOP, they actually believe science and think something dramatic has to be done.

So Biden wants to see a study on reparations for slavery and you take that as an endorsement. I see that as a man who wants all the information first BEFORE making a decision. You know, like a proper POTUS.

So 45 years ago, Biden's  made a comment on slavery reparations and you are now trying to spin this as his belief. 45 years ago I made a comment on the Teenage Ninja Turtles being the best thing since sliced bread. I have now changed my mind.

 

To be honest Tippaporn if this is the best you can come up with to describe Biden and the Dems as 'far-left radicals' then there really is no hope for you. Next time perhaps you can lob a ball that isn't quiet so easy to hit out of the park.

I've never seen where it's written that the GND isn't Dem policy so if you can find that in writing please post it.  The "moderate" Dems are no doubt trying to rein in AOC's Gang of ultra-radicals.  But I think it's obvious that the Dems bend over for them when they feel votes are needed.

 

What Europe does is neither here nor there.  If you agree with the GND then you'll say that Europe is doing the right thing and use that as evidence to support your position.  Of course, that the U.S. should therefore follow is merely an extension of your thinking.  There are those who have differing opinions.  But of course they would be wrong merely because they don't agree with you.  LOL

 

Here's what I wrote:  "People who never owned slaves pay reparations to blacks who were not slaves.  That makes sense, doesn't it?"

 

I don't know if you can see how ludicrous the concept of reparations is but in my view it is so utterly nonsensical that I wouldn't even consider a study.  I highly doubt that Biden would ever go along with that radical far left idea but he sure is safe to not oppose it (and disenfranchise a certain segment of potential voters) so he'll pretend to sit on the fence by commissioning a study.  I have no idea what you're looking at with that one.

 

I think you hit a grounder to right to the first baseman.

[Tippaporn]

21 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Your thoughts betray you, Tippaporn. I feel the good in you, the conflict. But I don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side. If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny. Come away from the Dark side. Come to the light Tippaporn. I am your Father.

 

????

You sound like Darth Vader to me.  No thanks.  LOL

[Tippaporn]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

We have just seen from another poster that he considers whole democratic party extreme left. So something like this is no surprise.

In a historically context it's hard to deny that the Dems have moved so far left that they've gone off the chart.  With AOC and the Gang (all of whom have won their primaries) whatever moderates are left will continue to be pushed further left.  Or they'll simply be replaced.

[johnnybangkok]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You sound like Darth Vader to me.  No thanks.  LOL

It's a quote from Luke. Pfft, I mean if you can't even get your Star Wars quotes right then what else can't you do?

(See how this idea that when someone gets one thing wrong it means that EVERYTING is then wrong. This is a common tactic of Trump and his followers)

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It's a quote from Luke. Pfft, I mean if you can't even get your Star Wars quotes right then what else can't you do?

(See how this idea that when someone gets one thing wrong it means that EVERYTING is then wrong. This is a common tactic of Trump and his followers)

My apologies for my ignorance regarding Star Wars.  I never saw the movie.  Parts of it, sure (it was hard not to).

 

Don't know what you're alluding to with your last statement as it doesn't apply to me.  Neither does the label "follower."  You have every right to make things up to your heart's content.  I'd never deny you that or even attempt to.  You're free.

[johnnybangkok]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've never seen where it's written that the GND isn't Dem policy so if you can find that in writing please post it.  The "moderate" Dems are no doubt trying to rein in AOC's Gang of ultra-radicals.  But I think it's obvious that the Dems bend over for them when they feel votes are needed.

 

What Europe does is neither here nor there.  If you agree with the GND then you'll say that Europe is doing the right thing and use that as evidence to support your position.  Of course, that the U.S. should therefore follow is merely an extension of your thinking.  There are those who have differing opinions.  But of course they would be wrong merely because they don't agree with you.  LOL

 

Here's what I wrote:  "People who never owned slaves pay reparations to blacks who were not slaves.  That makes sense, doesn't it?"

 

I don't know if you can see how ludicrous the concept of reparations is but in my view it is so utterly nonsensical that I wouldn't even consider a study.  I highly doubt that Biden would ever go along with that radical far left idea but he sure is safe to not oppose it (and disenfranchise a certain segment of potential voters) so he'll pretend to sit on the fence by commissioning a study.  I have no idea what you're looking at with that one.

 

I think you hit a grounder to right to the first baseman.

I think I have answered this correctly already but for further clarification; Biden and many Dems have signed on to the concept’s most important pieces, while doing away with some of its more controversial, and less essential, trappings. In short, they like a lot of the good things and don't like many of the more 'radical' parts. This to me is just common sense.

It's also very telling that you think 'AOC's and her Gang of ultra-radicals' are in fact that radical. You dismiss ' What Europe does is neither here nor there' but much of what she endoses is viewed as common sense and normal in almost all other advanced western nations who beat the US in almmost every metric you would care to mention. Why things such as universal health care is even a debate in the US is met with bemusement by every country that has universal health care as they know it works. Your health should not be a commodicised product in the hands of corporations who are looking to profit from it and you certainly shouldn't be going bankrupt purely because you can't pay a hospital bill. 

Now lets get on to reperations. Obviously the US has already done this for Native Americans and on the whole it was seen as the right thing to do. The harsh truth of American exploitation of blacks reveals a nation literally built on the back of slaves. I am not educated enough on the matter to give an indepth view of it all, but just on the face of it, yes it should be investigated. An investigation DOES NOT mean capitulation or advocacy, it simply says 'I need more information' before making a learned decision. I see absolutely no problem with this.

 

... the ball is flying far to the outfield, clearing the fence by some 25 ft. It's is now a speck in everyones vision. The crowd goes wild! 

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

My apologies for my ignorance regarding Star Wars.  I never saw the movie.  Parts of it, sure (it was hard not to).

 

Don't know what you're alluding to with your last statement as it doesn't apply to me.  Neither does the label "follower."  You have every right to make things up to your heart's content.  I'd never deny you that or even attempt to.  You're free.

I was just pulling your leg Tippaporn but whilst we are on the subject......you've never seen Star Wars, I mean, what never? 

Again I will give you some advice. Watch them. They're REALLY good.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Many of their proposals are radical and unworkable.  Perhaps the concept is progressive but their ideas for how it's to be implemented are radical.

Which part of the GND proposals are radical. Please list. All I see are progressive ideas to push clean energy and environmental justice (Biden's words) and jobs. That's his manifesto and he will be judged on that at the ballot box. 

[Tippaporn]

25 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I was just pulling your leg Tippaporn but whilst we are on the subject......you've never seen Star Wars, I mean, what never? 

Again I will give you some advice. Watch them. They're REALLY good.

That movie came out at a time when I hadn't owned a TV for 10 years.  I had collected a 1,000 books and was content to read.  But I'll take your advice and check it out (my daughter - 8 years old - would probably like the movie . . . in fact just last week we watch Spaceballs together).  Thanks.

[johnnybangkok]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

That movie came out at a time when I hadn't owned a TV for 10 years.  I had collected a 1,000 books and was content to read.  But I'll take your advice and check it out (my daughter - 8 years old - would probably like the movie . . . in fact just last week we watch Spaceballs together).  Thanks.

She’ll love it. Believe it or not but it’s a highly debatable “thing” about what order to watch them all in (I know, there’s always a thing). 
Here’s an idea https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2015/12/26/star-wars-viewing-order/

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

In a historically context it's hard to deny that the Dems have moved so far left that they've gone off the chart.  With AOC and the Gang (all of whom have won their primaries) whatever moderates are left will continue to be pushed further left.  Or they'll simply be replaced.

The Dems have not moved to the ‘far left’.

 

The most left wing Democrat candidate in the primaries was Sanders and he was rejected.

 

The defeat of Sanders was followed by much bellyaching and whining from Trump supporters who were begging to face the most left wing candidate in the race.

 

Trump and his supporters didn’t it get the Democrat candidate they wanted, they certainly did not get the Democrat running mate they wanted.

 

So now Trump and his supporters come up with the sham accusation that the Democrats lead by Biden and Harris are somehow ‘far left’.

 

Give it up Bro, the Democrats are not ‘far left’.

 

The groundless accusation that they are is risible nonsense.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Tie Dye Samurai]

On 8/17/2020 at 8:47 PM, Tippaporn said:

"Drawing criticism . . . "  When does Trump not draw criticism?  Perhaps the only time was when he authorized the bombing of Syria in retaliation for a supposed Syrian chemical attack.

 

Really, does his decision to accept the nomination from the White House need to become another national scandal?  How petty.

I could care less where trump accepts his nomination from actually...sounds like a fantastic place to give his concession speech as well...

[Sujo]

Trump had good ideas. Stopping the influx of people from mexico. Building some wall, adding cctv and increased surveillance, also stricter entry rules would be good.

 

But he was too stupid and went all in on the wall and systematically locked up children. Fail.

 

Going against china is a great idea, they need to be dealt to. But he was too stupid and antagonised his allies, so he has to go it alone and its costing taxpayers a squillian.

 

Obamacare, he could have changed it for the better but he wanted it repealed and replaced. He was again too stupid and only got it repealed even when in control of both houses leaving millions without cover.

 

He certainly has spruiked loud about how he would be great and it would be easy. A failed president.

[rcummings]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

In a historically context it's hard to deny that the Dems have moved so far left that they've gone off the chart.  With AOC and the Gang (all of whom have won their primaries) whatever moderates are left will continue to be pushed further left.  Or they'll simply be replaced.

Republicans were the ones who promoted trading carbon credits. Now they believe that human-caused climate change is a huge conspiracy.

Nixon created the EPA. Republicans since G.W. Bush repeatedly have attempted to turn it into an arm of the coal, oil, and gas industry.

 

Republicans used to claim to be the party of balanced budgets. Now they believe in the magic power of tax cuts on the wealthy no matter how much that increases the deficit.

Edited August 19, 2020 by rcummings

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

In a historically context it's hard to deny that the Dems have moved so far left that they've gone off the chart.  With AOC and the Gang (all of whom have won their primaries) whatever moderates are left will continue to be pushed further left.  Or they'll simply be replaced.

The Dems have not moved to the ‘far left’.

 

The most left wing Democrat candidate in the primaries was Sanders and he was rejected.

 

The defeat of Sanders was followed by much bellyaching and whining from Trump supporters who were begging to face the most left wing candidate in the race.

 

Trump and his supporters didn’t it get the Democrat candidate they wanted, they certainly did not get the Democrat running mate they wanted.

 

So now Trump and his supporters come up with the sham accusation that the Democrats lead by Biden and Harris are somehow ‘far left’.

 

Give it up Bro, the Democrats are not ‘far left’.

 

The groundless accusation that they are is risible nonsense.

"in a historical context . . . "  While I've never been aligned with any political party the Dems appealed to me more than the Republicans (of course they're two heads of the same snake).  That was many, many moons ago.  Go back 50~100 years.

[RocketDog]

The man takes too much gratuitous glee from shocking people. 

He glories in conflict. He's a very sick puppy. 

 

I read these posts just to see how his loyal supporters struggle to rationalize his every move or pronouncement no matter how indefensible or irrational it may be. 

 

Here's a challenge for extra points lads:

 

"Has the President's proposal of injecting or embibing bleach been accepted by the medical community yet as a valid treatment for the virus?"