martie Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 hours ago, josephbloggs said: If Thailand had the NL's volume of water to deal with and the NL's rainfall pattern I doubt we would see flooding here. And vice versa - dump Thailand's rain in Holland and see how it copes. When that rain really is dumped in Holland I do not see much of problems. It will be a problem when this rain will fall in Limburg, or even Southern Germany, France, parts of Belgium and Swiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 17 hours ago, samsensam said: flood and drought seem recurring predictable problems and little seems to be done the alleviate the problems by successive governments. maybe it's a daft idea but how about building reservoirs in areas with rain to support the drier areas? as happened in victorian times in the uk when haweswater reservoir was built in the lake district to provide water for mancheter. and how about getting dutch experts to help with flooding prevention? We won't let falangs think they can tell us how to do anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 In the UK, greedy builders keep building homes on floodplains. Then the buyers scream when they get flooded. I laugh. Do your homework, don't trust blindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolitian Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, madmitch said: So why is the water on the space photos blue when everyone can clearly see it should be muddy brown???? It's a mirror image of the air/sky above the water. When you looking at water from the side, you will see the color of the water as the mirroring effect of the water layer is low. When you look directly on the top, the mirroring effect is at its highest so what you actually see is the 'blue' sky and the water is still brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DualSportBiker Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Holland struggles with coastal flooding and has done for centuries. Its infrastructure grew based on known flooding and its sole source of excess water is the North Sea. Holland gets a fraction of the rain Thailand does and that rain is more evenly spread throughout the year. Thailand developed along rivers as the main routes for people and goods. Their houses were built to survive floods. Rains were more predictable than now and higher levels of forestation meant the excess water moved slower and was absorbed faster. Floods refreshed the soils and were good for cultivation of crops. Flooding was never seen as a significant problem that needed conquering as they had benefits and could be mitigated by simple steps. Thailand's towns and cities were firmly established before the impact of deforestation and change in rains started to combine and be problematic. Additionally, more critical infrastructure is now at ground level; roads, components of the power grid, and modern houses. As for reservoirs, there are many of them here. A bevy of new ones were built in the '90s. My firm was contracted to do stereo photography and GIS analysis of a number of areas to locate the best natural areas to augment and turn into dams. There are still people protesting their creation as they lost land to compulsory purchase orders. Does Thailand need more? Perhaps. Rainfall is not as predictable as it was 30 years ago. Just the reduction of flights from Covid has impacted weather-forecast accuracy due to reduction of chemtrails temperature variations with clearer skies. This years forecast is for a normal amount of monsoon rain, but with most back-loaded into the last month of the season. So far, that prediction is not wholly inaccurate. The Monkey's Cheeks are a controlled spillway that uses less-populated land to the East and West of Bangkok. It works pretty well for normal situations. There are volumes of water that no system can handle - that's the problem with increased rainfall. Just ask those brilliant dam-building Brits about the M25 - they can't predict traffic flow... 17 hours ago, AgentSmith said: Monkey cheeks? Apparently Thailand has yet to discover actual floodplains. Here's a Dutch example: The floodplain is where it says "uiterwaarden" (which sort of means designated areas in which a river can expand into). It's an area usually covered in grass for cows or it's 'nature' left alone. When the water level rises the water first expands into the floodplain before it floods anything else. Of course there are floodplains all along the riverbanks. Because periods of drought are also increasing both in frequency and length the Dutch floodplains are under investigation as possible basins to retain the excess water so there's extra water in dry summers keeping the water level in the river above a certain minimum. I'm no engineer but it will be interesting to see what solutions they come up with. Flooding is getting exceedingly rare in The Netherlands despite rising sea level and more frequent heavy rainfall. Too bad getting the message across to the people of Thailand is a tough cookie. 17 hours ago, samsensam said: flood and drought seem recurring predictable problems and little seems to be done the alleviate the problems by successive governments. maybe it's a daft idea but how about building reservoirs in areas with rain to support the drier areas? as happened in victorian times in the uk when haweswater reservoir was built in the lake district to provide water for mancheter. and how about getting dutch experts to help with flooding prevention? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, DrTuner said: Meanwhile in Pattaya... Is that a go-go dancer mirage there in the distance? Edited August 28, 2020 by Misterwhisper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 19 hours ago, AgentSmith said: Monkey cheeks? Apparently Thailand has yet to discover actual floodplains. Here's a Dutch example: The floodplain is where it says "uiterwaarden" (which sort of means designated areas in which a river can expand into). It's an area usually covered in grass for cows or it's 'nature' left alone. When the water level rises the water first expands into the floodplain before it floods anything else. Of course there are floodplains all along the riverbanks. Because periods of drought are also increasing both in frequency and length the Dutch floodplains are under investigation as possible basins to retain the excess water so there's extra water in dry summers keeping the water level in the river above a certain minimum. I'm no engineer but it will be interesting to see what solutions they come up with. Flooding is getting exceedingly rare in The Netherlands despite rising sea level and more frequent heavy rainfall. Too bad getting the message across to the people of Thailand is a tough cookie. The Dutch offered their expertise to Thailand decades ago, for free. It was refused. We know what we are doing! We are experts! Foreign knowledge? How good could that be? They don't know anything about the tropics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said: We won't let falangs think they can tell us how to do anything Can you blame them, the esteemed advice on TVF has been to dig out existing reservoirs, make them bigger, deeper, if they had followed this advice they would have wasted billions of Baht and ended up with even emptier holes than they have now ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerolamo Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 20 hours ago, AgentSmith said: Monkey cheeks? Apparently Thailand has yet to discover actual floodplains. Here's a Dutch example: The floodplain is where it says "uiterwaarden" (which sort of means designated areas in which a river can expand into). It's an area usually covered in grass for cows or it's 'nature' left alone. When the water level rises the water first expands into the floodplain before it floods anything else. Of course there are floodplains all along the riverbanks. Because periods of drought are also increasing both in frequency and length the Dutch floodplains are under investigation as possible basins to retain the excess water so there's extra water in dry summers keeping the water level in the river above a certain minimum. I'm no engineer but it will be interesting to see what solutions they come up with. Flooding is getting exceedingly rare in The Netherlands despite rising sea level and more frequent heavy rainfall. Too bad getting the message across to the people of Thailand is a tough cookie. Sure, Thailand need help for everything due to thousand of years of no knowledge for building knowledge and 70 years late for technologies, then and more rigor, more seriousness, schools at the height of the 21st century, ability to be on time for meeting and work, but there own biggest mentality problem is to arrive to be humble and really work, not be idleness (christian culture know it already that idleness is the mother of all vices... why ?) and then as normal humanity evolution, to rich a democracy statement to grow up with freedom and equity justice. I understand it to be very difficult by the culture to never said something who can hurt the sensibility of other. So because of that (who most of the time in a relationship is perfect) at work the chief will not be able to said the true about a wrong job application or what ever without risk to conflict. It is difficult to learn and grow if you can not accept with humility the criticism of people you show there knowledge by doing it efficiently. And i think that, from some HiSo society people there, the xenophobia born from this difference to communicate. Because when you can not accept criticism and when "falang" is the culture who grow by acceptance of criticism, it should be a problem to communicate at a crucial time. It is then very easy for a farang to make loose face of Thai (without want it or understand what's happening) because the level of knowledge, first, is not the same, and because we also speak with everybody the same. That is maybe also why some kind of diplomatic people at top level in Thailand doesn't show the diplomat culture and think that farang is dirty. It become difficult to be a hater when you can not accept a criticism sentence from other people. To walk on eggs for everything is not a way to grow quick in the real world... But there is also some very good things to not be able to said everything without care the other, that is something good. Fredom should have a limit for peace statement to be possible. Actually, this is what also many farang should learn from Thailand culture (the respect of other by some conventional practices). Everybody can help the other to grow up... everybody who is... OPEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: Is that a go-go dancer mirage there in the distance? Last beer bar for 120km. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiekerjozef Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, AgentSmith said: Flooding is getting exceedingly rare in The Netherlands despite rising sea level and more frequent heavy rainfall. Too bad getting the message across to the people of Thailand is a tough cookie. Thailand received the wrong photo...they were not impressed. Edited August 28, 2020 by spiekerjozef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesMad Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 9 hours ago, josephbloggs said: Not saying the Dutch aren't smart, and not saying Thailand couldn't do much better, but the average annual rainfall in the Netherlands is 700mm, Thailand is 1,650mm, so more than twice as much and it falls in a more condensed timeframe, generally over five months and we often have weeks / months without a drop. If Thailand had the NL's volume of water to deal with and the NL's rainfall pattern I doubt we would see flooding here. And vice versa - dump Thailand's rain in Holland and see how it copes. Rain-wise true, however the main rivers in The Netherlands (Rhein, Maas, etc) get most of its water (along the way to the sea) from Switzerland, Austria and Germany from the rain there... So a lot more volume than just Dutch rain! Rivers pose a greater problem these days than the sea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moneyhonour Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 23 hours ago, samsensam said: flood and drought seem recurring predictable problems and little seems to be done the alleviate the problems by successive governments. maybe it's a daft idea but how about building reservoirs in areas with rain to support the drier areas? as happened in victorian times in the uk when haweswater reservoir was built in the lake district to provide water for mancheter. and how about getting dutch experts to help with flooding prevention? As a Dutch boy I am a kind of an expert. I gladly volunteer for this job, but just get me in to Thailand. I will held office in Pattaya preferebly. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliveshep Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 5:47 PM, AgentSmith said: And in Hua Hin... Hua Hin you say? Didn't know they had one in what - the Serengeti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, cliveshep said: Hua Hin you say? Didn't know they had one in what - the Serengeti? Oh dear, right over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadee Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Don't know why these "XYZ visible from space" headlines are used to emphasis the size of something - modern cameras on satellites can read newspaper print (unless it's cloudy!) so everything is visible from space - that's why people put cameras on satellites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, cliveshep said: Hua Hin you say? Didn't know they had one in what - the Serengeti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Surasak said: Yes, quite. And what about the one in October/November 1990? Bangkok was under some 4/5 feet of water. Not to mention 1942, that was really a wet year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonuaq Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 18 hours ago, josephbloggs said: Not saying the Dutch aren't smart, and not saying Thailand couldn't do much better, but the average annual rainfall in the Netherlands is 700mm, Thailand is 1,650mm, so more than twice as much and it falls in a more condensed timeframe, generally over five months and we often have weeks / months without a drop. If Thailand had the NL's volume of water to deal with and the NL's rainfall pattern I doubt we would see flooding here. And vice versa - dump Thailand's rain in Holland and see how it copes. when you follow the news you would have found out that the Dutch are facing another problem, the problem of keeping the water in the area. the have a system that can cope with the water that comes from Europe and can cope with the amount of water easy. the problem is not the water to drain it. the problem and challange they face it to store it, the Thai did the same as the rest of the world build in place that originally was a buffer to be flooded or is low land and now now is occupied with human activity. not so smart and that is what you then get. people forget water flows thru the low lands first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 14 hours ago, CGW said: Can you blame them, the esteemed advice on TVF has been to dig out existing reservoirs, make them bigger, deeper, if they had followed this advice they would have wasted billions of Baht and ended up with even emptier holes than they have now ???? A lot of the ones around my family area are abandoned quarries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 18 hours ago, spidermike007 said: The Dutch offered their expertise to Thailand decades ago, for free. It was refused. We know what we are doing! We are experts! Foreign knowledge? How good could that be? They don't know anything about the tropics. Citation (again)? Otherwise it's just another Thai bash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Ozark Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 6:59 AM, bluebluewater said: You call that a flood? That ain't no flood. Go hunt up a picture of the flooding in Thailand in 2011. Now that's a flood! Totally agree. But the 2011 flood was unnecessarily extended by 2 months by damming it up here and there. Leave a flood alone and it will eventually reach the ocean. Dam it up and it will continue to be there for a long time. Same with Covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 16 hours ago, JulesMad said: Rain-wise true, however the main rivers in The Netherlands (Rhein, Maas, etc) get most of its water (along the way to the sea) from Switzerland, Austria and Germany from the rain there... So a lot more volume than just Dutch rain! Rivers pose a greater problem these days than the sea... And ne'er a monsoon season either. When was the last time a typhoon made landfall in Switzerland and dumped three-to-five days of heavy rain on Austria and Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eddy Ozark said: Leave a flood alone and it will eventually reach the ocean. Dam it up and it will continue to be there for a long time. Nowadays, it's called Pattaya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Pedrogaz said: Does anyone know the name of these trees? I see them all over the place. In Africa, they are acacia trees. In Thailand, they're rain trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 8:01 AM, bodga said: On 8/28/2020 at 7:15 AM, Old Croc said: So where do the Dutch put their paddy fields? Ireland? Sure to be sure, you could to, be right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 6:59 AM, bluebluewater said: You call that a flood? That ain't no flood. Go hunt up a picture of the flooding in Thailand in 2011. Now that's a flood! Exactly, my nephew from Canada visited in the October that year and we couldn't take him into Bangkok with the road closures which had created huge disruption to the supply chain. DM airport was shut for months and thousands of brand new vehicles written off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 2 hours ago, NanLaew said: Citation (again)? Otherwise it's just another Thai bash. Actually, a delegation did arrive. But, was their advice heeded? From 21st-25th November 2016 a mission of top water experts from the Netherlands will visit Thailand to cooperate with Thai authorities in finding solutions to some of the most pressing challenges in the field of urban flood risk management, including in the field of urban drainage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, NanLaew said: Citation (again)? Otherwise it's just another Thai bash. https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/dutch-water-experts-visit-thailand-21-25-november-2016-155801 Just GOOGLE. There are others. Edited August 29, 2020 by newatthis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 2 hours ago, newatthis said: https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/dutch-water-experts-visit-thailand-21-25-november-2016-155801 Just GOOGLE. There are others. Ok, and where does it say that Thailand told them they don't want their advice, they are foreigners, we don't need them? Oh, it doesn't. Because that didn't happen. The article you posted said they came here as they were invited to by the Thai authorities and the delegation was organised by the Department of Water Resources and the BMA. It also says the same foreign experts were brought in during the 2011 flooding. So, it IS just a Thai bash because the truth is the exact opposite of that and the article you kindly posted proves that. So much nonsense spouted on this forum. So do you want to GOOGLE and try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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