Brexit back in crisis as UK threatens to undercut divorce pact

[luckyluke]

8 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

"Gazza" refers to Gary Lineker

I googled Gary Lineker, first thing which appeared in "Top Stories" :

 

"Footballer Gary Lineker opens house to refugees"

[RayC]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Too many Brits on here want their country of birth to fail in these 'negotiations' I wonder why.????

I'm a Brit and have no desire to see the UK fail. However, I also want my government to behave in an honourable manner and not renege on agreements.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

After Brexit everything will be better for the UK. They can blame nobody for their poverty anymore. They will have control over their own fishing water and the UK industry will florish like it never did before.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha ????

 

Losers.

 

I wonder if he sounds like one of those Cadbury's Smash men?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, paddypower said:

very entertaining. Miss talk radio biggly, out here in the sticks ????

 

Easy on U Tube, Paddy. Perfect with beers and chips. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, paddypower said:

could it be that it is tripping up over the ideal that it still has the power of an empire to negotiate with?

I genuinely wish you all the best, but I think Boris and Davis are punching above their weight.

Bring on Jan 1st !

Punching with any kind of weight is better than weakly waving a handbag like May did.

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Punching with any kind of weight is better than weakly waving a handbag like May did.

I should have said a white handbag that has two loops and flutters in the breeze.

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, transam said:

Business is business, the UK waters belong to the UK, not the EU. ............????

Correct. And the €uro belongs to the EU. So, no €uro-business like finances, insurances, Forex, investments, pensions

anymore outside = City of London etc.

Edited September 8, 2020 by puipuitom

[crobe]

Threatening that Scotland would lose the ability to use sterling (George Osborne), was a scare tactic of the project fear initiated by the Better Together campaign (they admit themselves to calling it project fear internally).

By the time of the next Scottish referendum - possibly 2024 - the choice between sterling and the Euro may not be as clear cut as the project fear people may have thought - Scotland could choose to use either currency as a third party country - some small countries such as Andorra and Kosovo use the Euro even though they are not part of the EU, many countries use USD and I once visited Tuvalu which is an independent country but uses Australian dollars.

 

It would be an interesting market forces experiment for Scotland - post independence - to allow the use of both sterling and the Euro and to see which ends up being preferred as a trading mechanism.

 

The effect of a no-deal Brexit crash out on WTO terms at the end of 2020, would be serious for small firms having to deal with extra bureaucracy and tariffs, but the overall effect on UK GDP will probably be swamped by the downturn caused by Covid - so will be difficult to determine, but the more long-lasting effect will be on financial services on which the UK is more dependent than most, and a severe downturn in this area would knock sterling.  

 

So four years on from Brexit will be an interesting time

Edited September 8, 2020 by crobe
typo

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And the fishing rights belong to whoever bought them.

And those fishing right owners will land their fish at EU ports from 1 Jan 2021 to avoid WTO-import duty and all veterinarian fuzz when imported via the UK to the EU. 

[Surelynot]

This bloke must be an idiot, thrown his career away....Boris is just tidying a few loose ends....get a grip man

[crobe]

5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And those fishing right owners will land their fish at EU ports from 1 Jan 2021 to avoid WTO-import duty and all veterinarian fuzz when imported via the UK to the EU. 

And if you think the UK government will protect fishing rights - think again.

 

As fishing is a devolved policy, the way the quota is managed differs around the UK.

England and Wales, where a majority voted for Brexit, have both allowed foreign ownership of more than half their fishing quota.

In Wales, which is allocated a tiny share of the UK quota, the figure is as high as 85% of the annual value - most of it held by one big industrial trawler.

But in Scotland, which is responsible for about 60% of the UK quota, only 4% of the annual value in 2019 was in foreign hands. In Northern Ireland the figure was 2%.

"The Scottish fishing industry is largely made up of family-owned businesses," said Elspeth MacDonald, from the Scottish Fishermen's Federation.

 

 

Courtesy - BBC

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is that a Polish pilot in the cockpit?

See how the British thanked the Polish fighters... and comanders like Stanisław Sosabowski... as filth...

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a fair bet that these industries are also reliant on tariff free trade and time critical supply chains across the EU. 

So... relocate to somewhere inside the EU. BMW-Mini goes to Borne- prov Limburg- NL.

While the British are discussing FISH ( yes, of all ... F I S H ) , the Europeans discuss industrial production (re-)allocation.

Next: financials = no €uro-business outside €uro-land.

Edited September 8, 2020 by puipuitom

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Punching with any kind of weight is better than weakly waving a handbag like May did.

The withdrawal agreement was negotiated and agreed by Johnson, not May.  He now plans to renege on that agreement. which shows just what a weasel the man is! 

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, dimitriv said:

After Brexit everything will be better for the UK. They can blame nobody for their poverty anymore. They will have control over their own fishing water and the UK industry will florish like it never did before.

Fishing waters: Yes, but fishing rights are sold to others.

British Industry ? ? Which ? ? Most are in foreign hands... look at the British car industry... 

[dunroaming]

4 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

So... relocate to somewhere inside the EU. BMW-Mini goes to Borne- prov Limburg- NL.

While the British are discussing FISH ( yes, of all ... F I S H ) , the Europeans discuss industrial production (re-)allocation.

Next: financials = no €uro-business outside €uro-land.

I relocated my business to mainland Europe many months ago, actually before Johnson became PM.  The writing was on the wall and I did it in the hope of relocating back if a suitable deal was struck.  So glad I did! 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The withdrawal agreement was negotiated and agreed by Johnson, not May.  He now plans to renege on that agreement. which shows just what a weasel the man is! 

Let's see what is what first. 

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, crobe said:

Vickers-Armstrong, who made the Spitfire became BAC (which made the Tornado) which became Bae, and the engines were from Rolls-Royce - so one of the few occasions where it is not sold off to foreign ownership

Rolls Royce is partly owned by Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Holdings

[dunroaming]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Let's see what is what first. 

Just been watching the moment Johnson signed the agreement in Brussels.  He was going around hugging Macron and back slapping everyone including Barnier.  Hard to see how anyone can defend this cretin. 

[bermondburi]

You can trust this guy. ????

 

 

[bermondburi]

 

Nice guy. 

[RayC]

32 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

I relocated my business to mainland Europe many months ago, actually before Johnson became PM.  The writing was on the wall and I did it in the hope of relocating back if a suitable deal was struck.  So glad I did! 

I hope that your business is doing well in these difficult times?

 

Many pro-Brexit supporters dismiss concerns about the negative effect on business in the UK as fear-mongering. Well, here's a real life example. Jobs and revenue lost to the UK. 

 

If reports are to be believed then certainly not an isolated example https://www.euronews.com/amp/2020/02/19/brexit-number-of-companies-relocating-to-the-netherlands-is-accelerating

[bermondburi]

Personally I hope there is no deal. The pound will crash in value. My money will be worth more. Maybe I can get that house in the uk for cheaper. 

 

Bring it on. 

 

Perhaps when some of the pensioners on here getting uk pound see their income drop they might feel differently too. 

 

As always, it's the poorest who will get hit the most. 

 

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

 

Nice guy. 

The sooner the Tories do the decent thing and replace him the better. The UK can't afford to wait until 2024 to do so.

[Bluespunk]

Meanwhile, the head of the government’s legal department has quit, allegedly due to the governments attempts to change the Brexit deal they agreed to, specifically it seems with regard to promises over Northern Ireland.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/08/uks-top-legal-civil-servant-quits-over-brexit-deal-changes-jonathan-jones?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited September 8, 2020 by Bluespunk

[dunroaming]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

I hope that your business is doing well in these difficult times?

 

Many pro-Brexit supporters dismiss concerns about the negative effect on business in the UK as fear-mongering. Well, here's a real life example. Jobs and revenue lost to the UK. 

 

If reports are to be believed then certainly not an isolated example https://www.euronews.com/amp/2020/02/19/brexit-number-of-companies-relocating-to-the-netherlands-is-accelerating

Thank you.  Before the lockdown and after the move the business was doing very well.  Time will tell how well business bounces back but it looks positive.  When I looked at relocating several other business owners were looking at doing the same thing.  Five of us did and we now share premises.  Three more businesses are in the process of joining us.  I am able to run everything from the UK as my business involves import/export internationally.  We are all small businesses with the largest employing 12 people locally.

[dunroaming]

20 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

 

Nice guy. 

And still people on here defend him.  Un believable!

[Surelynot]

 

 

ALL LIES

Edited September 8, 2020 by Surelynot

[bannork]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Fishing waters: Yes, but fishing rights are sold to others.

British Industry ? ? Which ? ? Most are in foreign hands... look at the British car industry... 

I think he was taking the mick, being sarcastic.

[crobe]

UK Minister admits: We will break international law

 

In the commons today, the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis was asked: "Will he assure us that nothing proposed in this legislation does or potentially might breach international obligations or international legal arrangements?"

The Northern Ireland Secretary replied: "Yes. This does break international law in a very specific and limited way."