21 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Also know as sliding right on the top of the poverty curve. Works, but unpleasant. I doubt Thais after being used to McDonalds and Starbucks are willing to go back to chewing khauniauw.

There seems to be an axiom being used often on this forum, that foreigners are needed as Thais don't want the work. Is this true? Was it always true? And an observation is, that unemployed through covid circumstances and therefore "poor", Thais can't be that poor to turn down any kind of employment, albeit temporary, that would have some impact on their actual/publicly perceived status.

21 hours ago, PatOngo said:

With a population in excess of 65 million, why does Thailand even need to bring laborers from neighbouring countries? Could it be that the neighbours provide better quality, more reliable/energetic labor! ???? 

 

 

and cheaper wages

4 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

There seems to be an axiom being used often on this forum, that foreigners are needed as Thais don't want the work. Is this true? Was it always true? And an observation is, that unemployed through covid circumstances and therefore "poor", Thais can't be that poor to turn down any kind of employment, albeit temporary, that would have some impact on their actual/publicly perceived status.

Guess Thais would be happier with a Mac Job than be unemployed. And their happier with their Thai families than to live on handouts. 

Of course, Thailand is an ageing society, too. But with their strong family ties they will survive. 

Not so sure about Europe where you'll soon face youth rioting against the old. 

3 hours ago, Expat Tom said:

Thailand will pay the same price as America. Maybe in the future (20 years hence) you might see bumper stickers on Thai cars saying, "if I knew then what I know now I would have picked my own fruit, build my own buildings, and worked in my own low paying hotel jobs".   

big difference, people in USA can actually get CITIZENSHIP by marriage, full ownership of business, RIGHT to buy own land ...

 

children born out of illegals in USA are AMERICANS...

 

thailand:  they just KICK OUT whatever they don't want anymore

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5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Take it you would have preferred Thailand followed the UK model, similar population, now looking at a new national lockdown to try and minimise the total projected covid related deaths of 69.5K by Jan 1st.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

 

Remind me, how many covid related deaths in Thailand?

58 total Covid deaths......but 68 died on the road on Wednesday. What’s Thai for ‘proportionality' ? 

Thailand is not alone with this reaction of foreigner. So could you imagine a world with close country's (surely not for the rich...)? Sad world development driven by fear and conservative leaders and brainwashed people.

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Ouch! Thirty years eh? I feel your pain, I truly do. I only managed two, maybe three months tops of the brain numbing banality and low prestige of working in Thailand. Is that why you are so upset?

 

I chose to work and make my money and build my professional reputation in the real world and reserved this parochial wee backwater called Thailand for relaxing, beer and skittles.

You truly are an inspiration, pity no one listens to you!

5 hours ago, OnTheRun said:

And it follows generals should run armies........

I seem to recall General George Washington ran a country.

20 hours ago, mark131v said:

In other words lets turn the clock back 200 years when the serfs knew their place bet they wish they could turn off the internet that would be game, set and match!!

Mark131tv, the net was tightening on the foreigner before this virus, after many years in Thailand I went home early last year and then could'nt return on my flight in March. If they continue like this they might as well declare it Year 0. Judging by Pattaya many have already returned to the fields.

4 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

3600 viral pneumonia deaths of unknown cause when they stopped publishing the data in March and 433000 cases under investigation of which no follow up information has been forthcoming.That should give you an indication of what really happened in Thailand unless you believe the nonsense this administration  publishes after all the mainstream media is owned by the same boys in green who run the show.

Where is your figure for covid related deaths?

Of course there is always the option to turn to unsubstantiated assumptions.

22 hours ago, PatOngo said:

With a population in excess of 65 million, why does Thailand even need to bring laborers from neighbouring countries? Could it be that the neighbours provide better quality, more reliable/energetic labor! ???? 

 

 

A lot of truth in that.

53 minutes ago, Lingba said:

and cheaper wages

Of course they  (Myanmar, Lao, Khmer) work for cheaper wages, the point is, how many Thai's choose to sit on their lazy butts and watch rice grow than have a go and at least earn something ?

36 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

58 total Covid deaths......but 68 died on the road on Wednesday. What’s Thai for ‘proportionality' ? 

What is English for not seeing "road deaths" in the the thread title?

10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

What is English for not seeing "road deaths" in the the thread title?

There’s an English word , 'blinkered' for being unable to understand 'context'. 

5 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I don't see the word 'farang' anywhere in the referenced OP.

 

Now if some lonely farang sociopaths with fragile ego's and an overinflated sense of their societal value here have introduced it in the interim four pages, then that's par for the course IMHO.

sorry i thought foreigners were called ferang  

22 hours ago, johng said:

Sharp rise in infections because of a sharp rise in testing for infections ?   

lets hear about how many of those infections require hospitalisation or result in deaths  and how many have mild or no symptoms.

Good luck waiting for that resul.

5 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

There’s an English word , 'blinkered' for being unable to understand 'context'. 

You mean like the context of using road deaths as some sort of excuse for low covid figures.

Two separate issues that require separate solutions, there is no "proportionality" between the two.

The "blinkered" are those that fail to recognise the difference.

22 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

If you would test the public you would see that Thais have Covid already and are asymptomatic.  This is getting so old. 

The mass testing that has been done just doesn't show this. 7000+ in Rayong, 1000+ following the DJ and footballer cases are ALL negative. Any significant number of asymptomatic carriers will untimately lead to infection of others that cause symptoms. What is getting old is your diatribe.

 

 

21 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You mean like the context of using road deaths as some sort of excuse for low covid figures.

Two separate issues that require separate solutions, there is no "proportionality" between the two.

The "blinkered" are those that fail to recognise the difference.

'Contrast' - another word for you to look up. Contrast the respective avoidance measures ,economic impact and costs  to achieve the commonality of fewer deaths . Or are you still struggling to grasp that deaths (or avoidance thereof) is the common theme.?

What he states is correct. But I don't understand what planet he lives on. This is a coronavirus!  It WILL eventually be endemic within Thailand and all the current efforts are just postponing the inevitable. Sad but very probably true. So, Thailand will have pushed itself into serious poverty for fear of something that can't be avoided. More mindfulness is required by the political leaders so that they can better understand the reasons they are making bad decisions.

Being a snow bird I will be missing my warm winter break this year but the good Dr. is right.

9 minutes ago, Puzzler said:

What he states is correct. But I don't understand what planet he lives on. This is a coronavirus!  It WILL eventually be endemic within Thailand and all the current efforts are just postponing the inevitable. Sad but very probably true. So, Thailand will have pushed itself into serious poverty for fear of something that can't be avoided. More mindfulness is required by the political leaders so that they can better understand the reasons they are making bad decisions.

He's a medical advisor, not a lawmaker. 

 The idea of walling away from the outside world, however reasonable it may sound, is inhuman in its essence. You there , you may die, we, meanwhile are better than you, smarter than you, luckier than you - we will live on. And this attitude is caused by the relatively week virus alone. I am afraid to imagine what may happen in case of something more deadly and serious shows up. The foreigners might then be exterminated only for being foreigners and all kind of ‘intellectual elites’ will explain to the masses why such treatment is fully justified.

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Where is your figure for covid related deaths?

Of course there is always the option to turn to unsubstantiated assumptions.

My figure of covid related deaths is right there at the beginning of my post,it's about 3600 which seems to fit as a better number than the 59 this administration has determined which is so incongruous to the rest of the world that it beggars belief wouldn't you say sandy?Can you substantiate the number of 59 deaths?We can't even verify the 3600 viral pneumonia number anymore as they removed that particular embarrassing outlet of data.It's pretty hard to substantiate just about any information we use in our arguments as it's just about all second hand it's the best we can do to discuss the veracity of such data and decide from there what to believe and I believe very little of what I read and remain open to continue to discuss as I have very little chance of "knowing",in the true sense of the word,anything.I try to ask and answer questions in an attempt to rationalise the information the best I can with what little intellect I posses.  

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1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You mean like the context of using road deaths as some sort of excuse for low covid figures.

Two separate issues that require separate solutions, there is no "proportionality" between the two.

The "blinkered" are those that fail to recognise the difference.

To quote ZZ Top "driving while blind" seems rather an apt description which could also describe what most governments are doing in this pandemic!

28 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

 The idea of walling away from the outside world, however reasonable it may sound, is inhuman in its essence. You there , you may die, we, meanwhile are better than you, smarter than you, luckier than you - we will live on. And this attitude is caused by the relatively week virus alone. I am afraid to imagine what may happen in case of something more deadly and serious shows up. The foreigners might then be exterminated only for being foreigners and all kind of ‘intellectual elites’ will explain to the masses why such treatment is fully justified.

It is not only CoviD-19. 

Have you got any idea how often I heard Germans call Thais worthless alphabetic monkeys that don't deserve a look even when they are bleeding in the streets? 

Arrogant stupid Germans that can't even speak their own language and call me arrogant because I'm an intellectual. And stupid or even a pedophile because I tried to save Thai childrens' lives. 

 

Any idea how that feels? 

 

How come you expect Thais to follow a Golden Rule when you never did? 

Because you think you're better than Thais? 

If you hear these so-called experts you should never reopen An endless lockdown About  sufficiency economy philosophy not even worth to commenting it

Very  Sad I  hope  they find  a vacine soon  but worry  will  normal  Thaia,s even get it  

I am sure like the  tests  they will have to  pay for it  and by then  many  will not be able to afford it 

Perhaps  world  health will give for  free  

MMMM   maybe  but those  in power  will still want to charge  for it I  am sure 

Good  Luck  Thailand 

2 minutes ago, TERMINATOR3AB said:

Very  Sad I  hope  they find  a vacine soon  but worry  will  normal  Thaia,s even get it  

I am sure like the  tests  they will have to  pay for it  and by then  many  will not be able to afford it 

Perhaps  world  health will give for  free  

MMMM   maybe  but those  in power  will still want to charge  for it I  am sure 

Good  Luck  Thailand 

I think in most places they are saying it's going to be free,that is to say it will be paid for by tax payers money at what ever price is demanded by the companies that are not providing it free of charge.So it will not be free as medicine is a business and quite a profitable one from what I've heard.