What happens next with UK plan to breach Brexit divorce treaty?

[Loiner]

18 hours ago, RayC said:

Not the case https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/14/brexit-boris-johnson-eu-uk-internal-market-bill

 

And playing devil's advocate, even if it were the case, the possibility could have been foreseen in January.

 

Back to the same old questions: Either Johnson didn't know what he was signing and/or he had no intention of keeping to the WA.

 

At least it's a consistent argument. By the same token, no doubt, you are of the opinion that the breakdown in the trade talks is therefore due to the UK government not acting in 'good faith'? I thought that this was the charge that Brexiters were levelling at the EU?

Yes, definitely the case, the EU thought they had pulled one over us. Apparently not though, Boris was ready with the upper hand in the IMB. Back to the same old answer, I don't know or care what Boris knew at the time. He used the WA to meet his promise to 'Get Brexit Done' and his IMB continues to ensure that. Why ask the same old question again which 49 kept asking and getting the same answer. Maybe you didn't see because you have him on ignore, I know many people do.

 

No, I'm of the opinion that the breakdown, if or when it officially comes, will be due to the EU trying to cheat their way to a bad deal for the UK, which Boris has overthrown. Whether the UK govt acts in Good Faith, Bad Faith or Percy Faith with the EU, I don't care so long as we are safely extricated from the EU.

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

When it is part of your country you lease it never give it away permanently. We are claiming it back, so better get use to it.

It doesn't matter what it is part of, your country or anything else. The fishing rights were OWNED by the fishing companies. The English ones SOLD over 50% of them to someone else, it doesn't matter who. They didn't  LEASE them, or "Give them away".  Unless you don't understand your native language, there is a difference between selling something and leasing it. Candide explained that the whole quota thing it is more complicated, but the part we sold, we can't get back, we can buy it back if it is for sale of course. There are some parts of the overall quota that could be returned, that is different. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

11 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

the part we sold, we can't get back, we can buy it back if it is for sale of course.

A country that breaks international law and the agreements it signed wouldn’t have an issue doing so again. 

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, david555 said:

Occupied ...

He has still a hell of a job to do in your U.K. ????

what ever you want

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

A country that breaks international law and the agreements it signed wouldn’t have an issue doing so again. 

as the French have proved

[kingdong]

14 hours ago, david555 said:

Hence the "catfight" in his party about "yes / no " for E.U. membership ....as was up to latest still  same problem ...leavers & remainers ....with referendum as a hope for a solution ....

It didn't .... status quo problem ..

 

So brexit was born .

 

 

the conservative mps who insisted on a referendum were merely reminding cameron to keep his pre election promise to hold a referendum,something cameron was hoping to duck out of,and with a little help from nigel and his red bus democracy prevailed,power to the people whilst the rest of the eu wallow in self pity.

Edited September 21, 2020 by kingdong

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It does not matter to me but you brought it up. I am the same. But never consider myself European. I have lived in 3 European countries that are in the EU. I am British not European.

It's up to the individual how they identify. Maybe an area of agreement between us?

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It suggest you were about to throw the R card.

You might not be a racist yourself, but imo it would be naive to think that there were not racists - or more accurately, xenophobes - who voted for Brexit. How many is the real question?

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

The Russians are European, as many others. They are not in the EU but does that make them any less European. I think people should remember the EU is not all of Europe. It is an entity not a country.

Agreed. 

 

We appear to agree on 2 out of 3 points. Probably as good as it will get.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Yes, definitely the case, the EU thought they had pulled one over us. Apparently not though, Boris was ready with the upper hand in the IMB. Back to the same old answer, I don't know or care what Boris knew at the time. He used the WA to meet his promise to 'Get Brexit Done' and his IMB continues to ensure that. Why ask the same old question again which 49 kept asking and getting the same answer. Maybe you didn't see because you have him on ignore, I know many people do.

 

No, I'm of the opinion that the breakdown, if or when it officially comes, will be due to the EU trying to cheat their way to a bad deal for the UK, which Boris has overthrown. Whether the UK govt acts in Good Faith, Bad Faith or Percy Faith with the EU, I don't care so long as we are safely extricated from the EU.

And you don't see any inconsistencies in that argument?

 

Got an example of "the EU trying to cheat their way to bad deal for the UK"? Please don't offer the 'blockage'. That's already been discredited.

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

And you don't see any inconsistencies in that argument?

 

Got an example of "the EU trying to cheat their way to bad deal for the UK"? Please don't offer the 'blockage'. That's already been discredited.

The threatened blockage is exactly the way EU is trying to force the UK into a bad deal. It cannot be discredited by anything you read in The Grauniad.

[bannork]

UK government incompetence damaging UK expats in Europe.

Buffalo Brexit charges forward.

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

as the French have proved

Not sure what you’re referring to, but if a contract party feels its agreement has been broken by the French it can take legal action against the French, same as the EU can do against the UK. 

[david555]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

UK government incompetence damaging UK expats in Europe.

Buffalo Brexit charges forward.

Normal consequences of a no deal in wait ….. , same shall become for the Europeans living in U.K. ….. loosing their E.U. bank accounts 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/21/britons-eu-uk-bank-accounts-closed-lloyds-barclays-brexit

 

Thousands of Britons living in EU told their UK bank accounts will be closed
Lloyds and Barclays among banks taking action due to lack of post-Brexit trade deal

Thousands of Britons living in the EU will have their UK bank accounts closed by the end of the year because of the UK’s failure to agree a post-Brexit trade deal.

Lloyds, Barclays and Coutts have informed retail and business customers that they will lose their accounts before or when the Brexit transition period ends on 31 December and more banks are expected to follow suit.

Lloyds Banking Group, which includes Halifax and Bank of Scotland, has contacted its 13,000 customers in the Netherlands, Slovakia, Germany, Ireland and Portugal, warning them they must make alternative arrangements as the bank is no longer allowed to offer services.

 

 

 

(PS : my U.K. based money transfer organism , already changed months ago  to Ireland as new base for not missing E.U. opportunities )

Edited September 21, 2020 by david555

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

The threatened blockage is exactly the way EU is trying to force the UK into a bad deal. It cannot be discredited by anything you read in The Grauniad.

Of course not. It must be true. The Daily Express, well known for headlines based on statistical valid surveys, says so.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

Of course not. It must be true. The Daily Express, well known for headlines based on statistical valid surveys, says so.

Or the Daily Mail. Not even considered a fit source by wikipedia any more.

Still the Brexiteers love it because it tells them what they want to hear.

[Rookiescot]

21 minutes ago, david555 said:

Normal consequences of a no deal in wait ….. , same shall become for the Europeans living in U.K. ….. loosing their E.U. bank accounts 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/21/britons-eu-uk-bank-accounts-closed-lloyds-barclays-brexit

 

Thousands of Britons living in EU told their UK bank accounts will be closed
Lloyds and Barclays among banks taking action due to lack of post-Brexit trade deal

Thousands of Britons living in the EU will have their UK bank accounts closed by the end of the year because of the UK’s failure to agree a post-Brexit trade deal.

Lloyds, Barclays and Coutts have informed retail and business customers that they will lose their accounts before or when the Brexit transition period ends on 31 December and more banks are expected to follow suit.

Lloyds Banking Group, which includes Halifax and Bank of Scotland, has contacted its 13,000 customers in the Netherlands, Slovakia, Germany, Ireland and Portugal, warning them they must make alternative arrangements as the bank is no longer allowed to offer services.

 

 

 

(PS : my U.K. based money transfer organism , already changed months ago  to Ireland as new base for not missing E.U. opportunities )

This must be disappointing news for all those Brexit voting expats retired in Spain and Portugal.

That and the need to obtain health insurance.

Still they knew what they were voting for.

[Loiner]

14 minutes ago, RayC said:

Of course not. It must be true. The Daily Express, well known for headlines based on statistical valid surveys, says so.

Oh you Remainers and your surveys again. Why not try a poll, you know how accurate those are don’t you?

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

This must be disappointing news for all those Brexit voting expats retired in Spain and Portugal.

That and the need to obtain health insurance.

Still they knew what they were voting for.

But they can get a European bank account anyway in ….Euros basically 

[Loiner]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

This must be disappointing news for all those Brexit voting expats retired in Spain and Portugal.

That and the need to obtain health insurance.

Still they knew what they were voting for.

Not half as much as for the Remainers who thought their cosy status quo in the EU would go on forever. 

Should be no great shakes for any of them to have sorted both local and their continued UK banking if they still need it. 

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not sure what you’re referring to, but if a contract party feels its agreement has been broken by the French it can take legal action against the French, same as the EU can do against the UK. 

how about the french failing to use the law to stop illegal migrants  entering britain instead of aidding and abetting them,and people wondered why the uk voted to leave.

[welovesundaysatspace]

37 minutes ago, kingdong said:

how about the french failing to use the law to stop illegal migrants  entering britain instead of aidding and abetting them,and people wondered why the uk voted to leave.

I’m not aware the French are in breach of any laws, but as I said: Take legal action if you feel your rights have been infringed by someone. That’s what I do, that’s what everyone I know does, that’s what the EU will do, that’s what you can do too. 

[Laughing Gravy]

10 hours ago, RayC said:

You might not be a racist yourself, but imo it would be naive to think that there were not racists - or more accurately, xenophobes - who voted for Brexit. How many is the real question

Can you not see that many who are against being British are also racists. That is a question that is often overlooked. The left who scream obscenities, shouting that brexiteers are fascists when they are conforming to that ideology.

 

10 hours ago, RayC said:

We appear to agree on 2 out of 3 points. Probably as good as it will get.

Yes but it was done with civility as it always should be. Sadly that is a rarity on here these days.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Can you not see that many who are against being British are also racists. That is a question that is often overlooked. The left who scream obscenities, shouting that brexiteers are fascists when they are conforming to that ideology.

 

Yes but it was done with civility as it always should be. Sadly that is a rarity on here these days.

‘many who are against being British’?

 

You’ll presumably have no problem explaining what ‘against being British’ is and then be able to provide evidence based examples of the many who you claim are ‘against being British’.

 

When you’ve done that we’ll address your assertion that this ‘against being British’ thing of yours is somehow ‘racist’.

 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/21/theresa-may-says-reckless-brexit-bill-risks-uks-reputation

 

 

Theresa May says 'reckless' Brexit bill risks UK's reputation

Ex-PM says internal market bill could lead to a united Ireland and undermine trust in UK

 

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent

@lisaocarroll

Mon 21 Sep 2020 19.43 BST

Last modified on Mon 21 Sep 2020 20.40 BST

 

Theresa May has launched a blistering attack on the government’s plan to give itself powers to renege on the special arrangements for Northern Ireland in the Brexit deal.

 

She described the plans as “reckless” and “irresponsible” and said they “risked the integrity of the United Kingdom”, as they would not only tarnish Britain’s reputation globally as an upholder of the law but could contribute to a reunited Ireland.

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/21/britons-eu-uk-bank-accounts-closed-lloyds-barclays-brexit

 

Thousands of Britons living in EU told their UK bank accounts will be closed

Lloyds and Barclays among banks taking action due to lack of post-Brexit trade deal

[Loiner]

Theresa May is just another has been PM, on a par with Major Blair and Brown. Were they all in the  Despite a MSM propaganda commotion, what she says is irrelevant.

 

Nobody is going to court anyway:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1338438/brexit-news-latest-uk-eu-deal-boris-johnson-internal-market-bill-emmanuel-macron-brexit

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Nobody is going to court anyway:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1338438/brexit-news-latest-uk-eu-deal-boris-johnson-internal-market-bill-emmanuel-macron-brexit

What EU threat to walk against away from talks? When was the threat made? To whom? No quotes, no sources.

 

To call it shoddy journalism would be generous. 'Shoddy' is too mild a word to describe this drivel, and it hardly qualifies as journalism.

[Loiner]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

What EU threat to walk against away from talks? When was the threat made? To whom? No quotes, no sources.

 

To call it shoddy journalism would be generous. 'Shoddy' is too mild a word to describe this drivel, and it hardly qualifies as journalism.

Ha ha, off you run along then, back to your Grauniad if you prefer a bit of Boris bashing. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

To call it shoddy journalism would be generous. 'Shoddy' is too mild a word to describe this drivel, and it hardly qualifies as journalism.

I wasn’t surprised that Brexiteers read the Mickey Mouse press. But reading only the headlines — priceless ???? 

[Loiner]

27 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

I wasn’t surprised that Brexiteers read the Mickey Mouse press. But reading only the headlines — priceless ???? 

Wassup Fritz, headline not to your liking. Sorry, no UK capitulation today. Your EU masters are too busy pleading to be allowed to win. 

[RayC]

42 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Ha ha, off you run along then, back to your Grauniad if you prefer a bit of Boris bashing. 

No need to stick with The Guardian; we're spoilt for choice when it comes to reputable news sources reporting on Johnson's dismal performance. Personally, I prefer that Trotskyist journal, the FT. Any number of articles describing Johnson's failings to choose from.

https://www.ft.com/topics/people/Boris_Johnson