U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg dies at age 87 from pancreatic cancer

[Sujo]

14 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

"Progressives" have a weird view on things. 

Yes, the legal view.

[tonray]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Please explain why there is nothing hypocritical about McConnell and the Republicans rushing to nominate and approve a Supreme Court Justice less than two months before the election, when they refused to do so for nine months before the 2016 election.

 

This should be entertaining.

Because they've always been hypocrites. Deficits, right to life, State's rights, SC justices, it only every matters when it's in their favor...a bunch of ethically bankrupt old creeps.

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Because the reason it was held up last time is that Obama was on his way out, completing 2 full terms, and the Senate and WH were controlled by different parties. 

This time, Trump is an incumbent running for re-election and the senate and WH are controlled by the same party. 

 

It was not a simple matter of "in an election year" it was stinging in a seat while you're on your way out, completing 2 terms. 

 

Those are the facts amigo, you may not like it, it may upset you, but thats your problem. 

More irrational arguments. 

 

The Presidency is up for grabs in every election, and is definitely up for grabs in this one.  As I explained before, there is no logic to saying it's ok to nominate and approve a Supreme Court Justice during an election year if both the White House and Senate are held by the same party, that is an argument for making nominations partisan.

 

You have words but no rationale for the hypocrisy that is about to happen.

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

More irrational arguments. 

 

The Presidency is up for grabs in every election, and is definitely up for grabs in this one.  As I explained before, there is no logic to saying it's ok to nominate and approve a Supreme Court Justice during an election year if both the White House and Senate are held by the same party, that is an argument for making nominations partisan.

 

You have words but no rationale for the hypocrisy that is about to happen.

 

End of the day, no matter what you believe, try winning elections and not having a party thats so crummy a guy like trump and his team can be a contender against them. 

 

For example, the arguments you guys put forward defending abortions. Its off putting and insensitive for most people. I actually support abortions up to a certain point but I find some of the defense you guys put out repulsive. 

[riclag]

For me, god bless you ruth ,see you later! Life goes on!

During the last election  people  thought about this scenario !

As much as they hated his style ,some never trumpers voted for him only because of this,a majority of conservative SCJ .

[Rimmer]

Multiple troll/inflammatory posts and replies have been removed

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

End of the day, no matter what you believe, try winning elections and not having a party thats so crummy a guy like trump and his team can be a contender against them. 

 

For example, the arguments you guys put forward defending abortions. Its off putting and insensitive for most people. I actually support abortions up to a certain point but I find some of the defense you guys put out repulsive. 

End of the day, you clearly can not defend the hypocrisy of what the Republicans are about to do.

 

Be specific; what argument defending abortion have you found insensitive and off putting?  Any in this thread?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Swiss1960 said:

Rest in peace Mrs. Justice Ginsburg

 

Yes, it will get ugly and Amerivans should

- say good bye to womens abortion rights

- say good bye to voters rights for non-republicans

- say good bye to any humanitarian ideas like asylum

- say good buy to any notion of LGBTQ rights

 

America - the new Russia 4.0

Tragically you're absolutely right.

RIP RBG

[Poet]

I am not political but this could very well help nudge swing voters towards the Republicans. Considering the hysteria around the last Supreme Court selection, and multiplying that by the current already-fevered atmosphere, many radical leftists will now shift even further into orbit.

I predict Trump will nominate Judge Amy Coney Barrett, counting on the Democrats to monster her the way they did Judge Brett Kavanaugh. That hurt the Democrats in the polls but, this time, they will be attacking the sort of likeable, accomplished woman that suburban moms can identify with.

Since the pandemic hit, I have said that this election was the Democrats' to lose. I initially thought Biden was a mistake but hadn't realized that the pandemic would allow them to avoid the debates, so, an astonishingly lucky set of circumstances. As long as they can present him as boring but likeable Uncle Joe, the antithesis of Trump, he's perfect, they only need to control the real Biden so that he doesn't spoil that illusion. I still think Kamala was a mistake but she, too, benefits from being kept out of the public eye. They mainly win this by staying under the radar and allowing the election to be a referendum on Trump.

What swings things towards the Republicans are when events turn the focus to the worst instincts of the Democrats. For example, not mentioning the riots once during the DNC, not even some vague words of condemnation or even sympathy for the black small business owners whose livelihoods being destroyed by BLM and Antifa, solidified the law and order issue in Trump's favor. Now, the treatment of the Supreme Court candidate may well surface the worst instincts of the Democrats.

With just 45 days to go until the election, RBG's death lobs a grenade into the situation. The Democrats need to maintain discipline and keep their heads down. They have the most to lose by allowing their hysterical instincts to take over. This thread is a preview of how badly that could make them look to regular voters.

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Poet

[Publicus]

2 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Two things:

 

1 - Its about to get really nasty in American politics. 

 

2 - Before anyone invokes the "McConnel Rule" and revisits history, the rule was that SC seats shouldn't be filled in an election year if the WH and the Senate are controlled by different parties. 

No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. 

 

Because where I come from it's called the Five Minute Rule. It was a rule for the 5 minutes it took McConnel to say it then walk off to end the rule forever. 

 

That's why baloney is still called baloney.  

[Mama Noodle]

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

End of the day, you clearly can not defend the hypocrisy of what the Republicans are about to do.

 

Ive typed it out multiple times for you, and you just disregard it. Up to you, as they say. 

 

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Be specific; what argument defending abortion have you found insensitive and off putting?  Any in this thread?

 

Your idea that fetuses are not babies nor a human life, for one. And yalls framing of the same. Its repulsive. 

[Mama Noodle]

21 minutes ago, Poet said:

With just 45 days to go until the election, RBG's death lobs a grenade into the situation. The Democrats need to maintain discipline and keep their heads down. They have the most to lose by allowing their hysterical instincts to take over. This thread is a preview of how badly that could make them look to regular voters.

 

With Pelosi running their whole show, no doubt its going to be as horrible and toxic as can be imagined. 

[Tug]

49 minutes ago, riclag said:

You know what TUG I have no idea what tp is

If you are American you would know what tp stands for look trump has proved time and time again he is incapable of working within the framework of the document you claim to cherish he is what he is. RIP Ruth you had quite a run a life well lived you will be rembered for all the right reasons thankyou for your service madam 

[Mama Noodle]

In case anyone thought it was going to go any other way: the gloves are off. 

 

 

 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

19 minutes ago, Poet said:

I am not political but this could very well help nudge swing voters towards the Republicans. Considering the hysteria around the last Supreme Court selection, and multiplying that by the current already-fevered atmosphere, many radical leftists will now shift even further into orbit.

I predict Trump will nominate Judge Amy Coney Barrett, counting on the Democrats to monster her the way they did Judge Brett Kavanaugh. That hurt the Democrats in the polls but, this time, they will be attacking the sort of likeable, accomplished woman that suburban moms can identify with.

Since the pandemic hit, I have said that this election was the Democrats' to lose. I initially thought Biden was a mistake but hadn't realized that the pandemic would allow them to avoid the debates, so, an astonishingly lucky set of circumstances. As long as they can present him as boring but likeable Uncle Joe, the antithesis of Trump, he's perfect, they only need to control the real Biden so that he doesn't spoil that illusion. I still think Kamala was a mistake but she, too, benefits from being kept out of the public eye. They mainly win this by staying under the radar and allowing the election to be a referendum on Trump.

What swings things towards the Republicans are when events turn the focus to the worst instincts of the Democrats. For example, not mentioning the riots once during the DNC, not even some vague words of condemnation or even sympathy for the black small business owners whose livelihoods being destroyed by BLM and Antifa, solidified the law and order issue in Trump's favor. Now, the treatment of the Supreme Court candidate may well surface the worst instincts of the Democrats.

With just 45 days to go until the election, RBG's death lobs a grenade into the situation. The Democrats need to maintain discipline and keep their heads down. They have the most to lose by allowing their hysterical instincts to take over. This thread is a preview of how badly that could make them look to regular voters.

 

I find myself replying to your posts because they are interesting. I think Biden has shown in the last 4 weeks or so that he has still got it. I think he falls down when he tries too hard to act young and vibrant with the aviator's on and then out come the gaffes. Trumps portrayal of him as old and senile will hopefully backfire in the debates. Biden was great in the vice president debates and yes, he is a bit older and slower, but hopefully he's still got it.

I think your point about the black shop owners is somewhat fair, though I think it is cherry picking one point,  but Joe Biden has been more than clear that violence should not be tolerated.

I was concerned about Kamala Harris, and preferred Susan Rice, but Kamala Harris is smart and hard and she's been tested.

Hopefully people will see that you can have left leaning ideas like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, that improve the lives of many, with less discrimination and increased freedoms, and it doesn't make you far left or Antifa. Keep in mind Antifa means antifascist which one might think is not such a bad thing though that doesn't legitimize violence etc.

[Publicus]

29 minutes ago, Poet said:

I am not political but this could very well help nudge swing voters towards the Republicans. Considering the hysteria around the last Supreme Court selection, and multiplying that by the current already-fevered atmosphere, many radical leftists will now shift even further into orbit.

I predict Trump will nominate Judge Amy Coney Barrett, counting on the Democrats to monster her the way they did Judge Brett Kavanaugh. That hurt the Democrats in the polls but, this time, they will be attacking the sort of likeable, accomplished woman that suburban moms can identify with.

Since the pandemic hit, I have said that this election was the Democrats' to lose. I initially thought Biden was a mistake but hadn't realized that the pandemic would allow them to avoid the debates, so, an astonishingly lucky set of circumstances. As long as they can present him as boring but likeable Uncle Joe, the antithesis of Trump, he's perfect, they only need to control the real Biden so that he doesn't spoil that illusion. I still think Kamala was a mistake but she, too, benefits from being kept out of the public eye. They mainly win this by staying under the radar and allowing the election to be a referendum on Trump.

What swings things towards the Republicans are when events turn the focus to the worst instincts of the Democrats. For example, not mentioning the riots once during the DNC, not even some vague words of condemnation or even sympathy for the black small business owners whose livelihoods being destroyed by BLM and Antifa, solidified the law and order issue in Trump's favor. Now, the treatment of the Supreme Court candidate may well surface the worst instincts of the Democrats.

With just 45 days to go until the election, RBG's death lobs a grenade into the situation. The Democrats need to maintain discipline and keep their heads down. They have the most to lose by allowing their hysterical instincts to take over. This thread is a preview of how badly that could make them look to regular voters.

 

Your post is completely political. 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, Publicus said:

Your post is completely political. 

With some facts, opinions, fake news, all mixed in pretending to be the truth.

[stevenl]

Interesting option, if McConnell continues with appointment but democrats take senate and presidency, they can expand the SC.

[John Drake]

Will Ted Cruz be able to vote for his own confirmation to the court?

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Interesting option, if McConnell continues with appointment but democrats take senate and presidency, they can expand the SC.

 

So much for rules and norms eh? Funny how that works. 

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I dont just find it offensive, I find it repulsive. 

Once again, you can't respond to the entire post, regardless of how short it its.

 

Most of the world does not believe everything you believe.  You must find most of the world repulsive.

 

I confess I am curious; do you think an egg is a chicken?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

9 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I dont just find it offensive, I find it repulsive. 

The main point I wish Democrats could get out is that no one is pro abortion as such. They are saying that people are going to have abortions regardless and so it is better to do it safely than with a coat hanger. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Fat is a type of crazy

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

So much for rules and norms eh? Funny how that works. 

The Democrats are unlikely to expand the Supreme Court, though I'm sure many will call for it.  Democrats just can't match Republicans for hypocrisy.

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

The main point I wish Democrats could out is that no one is pro abortion as such. They are saying that people are going to have abortions regardless and so it is better to do it safely than with a coat hanger. 

I think it was President Clinton who said "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."  I agree with that. 

 

Proper sex education in public schools and better availability of contraception would greatly reduce the number of abortions.  Unfortunately a lot of anti-abortion folk are adamantly opposed to common sense approaches that would greatly reduce the need for abortions.

Edited September 19, 2020 by heybruce

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The Democrats are unlikely to expand the Supreme Court, though I'm sure many will call for it.  Democrats just can't match Republicans for hypocrisy.

 

Disagree, not only are they just as hypocritical, they are even more vicious. 

[Mama Noodle]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Most of the world does not believe everything you believe. 

 

IF that were true, then you guys wouldn't be having such a hard time winning elections. 

[Opl]

[John Drake]

If Ginsburg has been on her deathbed, I wonder if she was in any condition to do her work on the bench. If not, who was doing it? Did Ginsburg even have a hand in any of it?

[FlyingThai]

Fill that seat Mr. President!

 

Getting the popcorn ready.

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, John Drake said:

If Ginsburg has been on her deathbed, I wonder if she was in any condition to do her work on the bench. If not, who was doing it? Did Ginsburg even have a hand in any of it?

Did you have the same concerns about Justice Antonin Scalia?