Protesters scuffle with police at London anti-lockdown demo

[Morch]

26 minutes ago, blazes said:

These demos are a significant sign that "the silent majority" in many countries are beginning to wake up to what is being done to their jurisdictions, whether in the UK, France, Hungary, various American states and so on.  For too long, those opposed to the totalitarian stuff that's being flung in their faces have taken it 'lying down". 

They have suffered silently while morons in Extinction Rubbish bring cities to a standstill. Now is the time for those on the sidelines to step forward and show their own strength.

 

Demonstrations do not necessarily indicate a majority, 'silent' or otherwise.

By the way, are you out there protesting? Or just calling on others to do so?

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

I didn't post any figures on deaths due to lock downs.  As to your claim it may as well be a fart in the wind, e.g. totally useless.  You provide zero evidence.

Because there is zero evidence. Your post was pure fiction.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Moonlover said:

The cracks are appearing in a number of countries now. Folks have, quite simply had enough of this now.

 

I've been of the opinion from the very early days that we should, once sensible precautions have been put in place to protect the vulnerable, let this disease run its course.

 

Mankind survived the flu pandemic of 1917/18 and collectively, our immune systems were probably the stronger for it. It's time to 'bite the bullet'.

The cost of mankind surviving the flu pandemic of 1917/18 was about It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html#:~:text=It is estimated that about,occurring in the United States.

 

https://singularityhub.com/2017/02/15/how-the-world-has-changed-from-1917-to-2017/

 

12. US Population
– 1917: The US population broke 100 million, and the global population reached 1.9 billion.

– Today: The US population is 320 million, and the global population broke 7.5 billion this year.

 

To get a reasonable estimate of the death count assuming that Covid is as bad as the Spanish Flu you would have to triple the 1917/18 death count to perhaps 1.5 billion people world wide as no really effective vaccine has appeared on the scene as yet.

 

Again this is only pure guesswork working on 100 year old figures and taking no account of the improvement in medicine along the way.  

 

4 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I am one of the vulnerable ones, so please don't try and throw that one back at me.

 

At 76, so am I.

 

[Tippaporn]

45 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

My worry is that corona could mutate into an even more serious illness. We know IF it gets into your lungs you can be in a world of hurt.

So lets all try and keep a lid on it till a vaccine comes along. Then we can all go back to "normal".

I am aware that there is also a possibility that the virus could mutate into a far less dangerous strain. That would be fantastic.

But people need to take precautions like wearing a mask. No-one seems to have an issue conforming to security checks before you get on an airplane. Why? Because we are all aware its for our own safety.

Think of the precautions for corona in the same light. 

US Influenza VE Network investigators have found that on average vaccination reduces the incidence of flu-like illness by approximately 40% to 60%.  Seems a lot of people think that vaccines are guarantors against infection.

 

The analogy you used, re conformity, for people not taking issue with security checks before boarding a plane isn't well suited.  If you wish to fly you have no choice but to submit.  To resist is 100% futile.  To conclude that it's because 100% of the people are 100% in agreement that it's for their own safety would be an erroneous conclusion.  With masks you still have a choice and resistance isn't futile (unless you're unfortunate enough to be located in Victoria, Australia).

[Foghorn]

The headline should read.  Police attack peaceful protesters, old and young ,    They weren’t that brave with BLM 

[Tippaporn]

32 minutes ago, polpott said:

53 minutes ago, blazes said:

These demos are a significant sign that "the silent majority" in many countries are beginning to wake up to what is being done to their jurisdictions, whether in the UK, France, Hungary, various American states and so on.  For too long, those opposed to the totalitarian stuff that's being flung in their faces have taken it 'lying down". 

They have suffered silently while morons in Extinction Rubbish bring cities to a standstill. Now is the time for those on the sidelines to step forward and show their own strength.

Or show their own covidiocy more like. Morons who have no consideration for the lives of others.

You, on the other hand, have no consideration for the lives of those being destroyed by the lock downs.  They're simply insignificant.  Or perhaps you can justify their suffering by paling it in comparison to those who have suffered from Covid.

[from the home of CC]

5 hours ago, Yinn said:

Loons.

and very dangerous ones. In Canada they're fining spreader event organizers around 7500 US with attendees 500 US each. IMO on second offence they should be imprisoned till a vaccine appears..

[Tippaporn]

38 minutes ago, polpott said:

Because there is zero evidence. Your post was pure fiction.

No point in debating the off-the-charts absurdity of a claim that there is zero evidence of human suffering due to lockdowns.

[George Aylesham]

5 hours ago, Yinn said:

Loons.

Fascinating to observe Darwinism in action - the extinction of a mentally incompetent species.

[polpott]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Or perhaps you can justify their suffering by paling it in comparison to those who have suffered from Covid.

Not suffered, died. 993,000 worldwide at the last count. 204,000 in the US alone. Any figures for those who have died of lockdowns?

Edited September 27, 2020 by polpott

[Moonlover]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect you are also not in the U.K.

 

Perhaps like me, enjoying the massively reduced risk of infection that has been achieved by the Government and People of Thailand:

 

lockdown, travel restrictions, mandated masks, temperature checks, wide compliance, zero ’whining’.

 

 

No I am no in the UK. What's more I am living in a part of Thailand that has been completely free of Covid 19 and there is very little chance of contracting.

 

But even here  many business's are closed down and there are few people around. Supermarkets and Robinson's are quiet even at weekends and restaurants are doing little business. Why is this?

 

I suspect they are doing what I've been doing and staying away because they. like me are fed up with the restrictions. There is more than one way to protest and 'voting with ones feet' is one them.

 

I have every respect for the efforts of both the government and the Thai people and I'm grateful to them, but the time must come to say 'enough is enough, time to get on with life'.

[Baht Simpson]

In my day we protested against nuclear war. Now they protest health regulations.  Idiots, the lot of them. 

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

In my day we protested against nuclear war. Now they protest health regulations.  Idiots, the lot of them. 

They protest tyranny.

[BritManToo]

35 minutes ago, George Aylesham said:

Fascinating to observe Darwinism in action - the extinction of a mentally incompetent species.

More like the extinction of the old, the weak and the seriously ill ..............

Edited September 27, 2020 by BritManToo

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

No I am no in the UK. What's more I am living in a part of Thailand that has been completely free of Covid 19 and there is very little chance of contracting.

 

But even here  many business's are closed down and there are few people around. Supermarkets and Robinson's are quiet even at weekends and restaurants are doing little business. Why is this?

 

I suspect they are doing what I've been doing and staying away because they. like me are fed up with the restrictions. There is more than one way to protest and 'voting with ones feet' is one them.

 

I have every respect for the efforts of both the government and the Thai people and I'm grateful to them, but the time must come to say 'enough is enough, time to get on with life'.

 

The 'restrictions' in Thailand basically constitute wearing a mask in public (which is treated just a little better than motorcycle helmets), application of alcogel, measuring temperature and registering (either online or in paper form). None of these are very strictly enforced, even. And they do not amount to that much hardship.

 

I think people are for the most part compliant because enforcement is not strict, and because they are somewhat aware of how bad this got elsewhere.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They protest tyranny.

 

I guess you lived a very sheltered life if these health regulations equate with tyranny, in your mind.

[connda]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Protesters at a central London anti-lockdown rally scuffled with police officers on Saturday who were trying to break up the demonstration because of a lack of social distancing.

More accurately, police waded into peaceful anti-lockdown protesters and beat the <deleted> out of them.

[Moonlover]

5 hours ago, ravip said:

Should it be let to follow its course with stats like these?

 

Total cases - 32.6M

Recovered - 22.5M
Deaths - 990K

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I believe it should. 990K deaths is only 0.0127% of the population. A mere pinprick. And how many of those who died were on the way out anyway, due to age or other illness's?

 

[Moonlover]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

23 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

No I am no in the UK. What's more I am living in a part of Thailand that has been completely free of Covid 19 and there is very little chance of contracting.

 

But even here  many business's are closed down and there are few people around. Supermarkets and Robinson's are quiet even at weekends and restaurants are doing little business. Why is this?

 

I suspect they are doing what I've been doing and staying away because they. like me are fed up with the restrictions. There is more than one way to protest and 'voting with ones feet' is one them.

 

I have every respect for the efforts of both the government and the Thai people and I'm grateful to them, but the time must come to say 'enough is enough, time to get on with life'.

 

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The 'restrictions' in Thailand basically constitute wearing a mask in public (which is treated just a little better than motorcycle helmets), application of alcogel, measuring temperature and registering (either online or in paper form). None of these are very strictly enforced, even. And they do not amount to that much hardship.

 

I think people are for the most part compliant because enforcement is not strict, and because they are somewhat aware of how bad this got elsewhere.

Yes, I agree with you. The restrictions are not too onerous. So where are all the people? Why are the supermarkets, malls and restaurants doing so little business?

[polpott]

20 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

More like the extinction of the old, the weak and the seriously ill ..............

Nope, the virus has mutated, its now targeting covidiots.

[blazes]

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

and very dangerous ones. In Canada they're fining spreader event organizers around 7500 US with attendees 500 US each. IMO on second offence they should be imprisoned till a vaccine appears..

 

As a matter of zero interest, why would the Canadian government be fining its citizens in American dollars????

[Baht Simpson]

21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They protest tyranny.

Yes,

The tyranny of looking after yourself

The tyranny of looking after others

The tyranny of health regulations

The tyranny of the law

The tyranny of expert advice

The tyranny of common sense

 

Quite good for tyrannies really.

[evadgib]

32 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I guess you lived a very sheltered life if these health regulations equate with tyranny, in your mind.

Likewise if crashing the economy and mass unemployment is ok in yours.

Edited September 27, 2020 by evadgib

[evadgib]

19 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Yes,

The tyranny of looking after yourself

The tyranny of looking after others

The tyranny of health regulations

The tyranny of the law

The tyranny of expert advice

The tyranny of common sense

 

Quite good for tyrannies really.

How about the blatant disregard for our 1688 BoR and Coronation oath?

[polpott]

29 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Likewise if crashing the economy and mass unemployment is ok in yours.

Don't blame covid for that. That's all down to Boris and his determination to have a no deal brexit.

[polpott]

16 minutes ago, evadgib said:

How about the blatant disregard for our 1688 BoR and Coronation oath?

Since when was Boris interested in any of that guff?

[Morch]

45 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

Yes, I agree with you. The restrictions are not too onerous. So where are all the people? Why are the supermarkets, malls and restaurants doing so little business?

 

IMO, for two reasons - One being afraid (and people can argue whether that's justified or not), the other is businesses themselves not being fully functional. In our local Tesco shopping center, some shops closed for weeks, some operate half capacity to comply with restrictions.

 

And that's where the hurt is - not so much for the customers, but for the business owners. To legally and properly run a business following regulations is a PITA.

[Morch]

38 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Likewise if crashing the economy and mass unemployment is ok in yours.

 

I don't see it as either/or. And I did not use any terms like tyranny or equivalents. There's an international crisis. It sucks. Governments are scrambling to figure how to deal with it. Response is bound to be less than optimal. Were you expecting anything else?

 

It's not a zero sum game. So far, countries are not actually collapsing, even if there's a strain.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

They protest tyranny.

I guess you lived a very sheltered life if these health regulations equate with tyranny, in your mind.

They are not health regulations which only involve social distancing and mask wearing.  When health regulations force the closure and loss of businesses and put people out of work with little to no means to support themselves, when they become edicts denying basic freedoms, then they are not merely health regulations but an innocent term used to cloak authoritarianism.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They are not health regulations which only involve social distancing and mask wearing.  When health regulations force the closure and loss of businesses and put people out of work with little to no means to support themselves, when they become edicts denying basic freedoms, then they are not merely health regulations but an innocent term used to cloak authoritarianism.

 

Spin it whichever say you like, split hairs....whatever. If certain businesses remain open, without regulation and serve to further spread the pandemic, then eventually, there might not be a business nor costumers.

 

This is not an ordinary situation.

 

I notice that other than arguing about labels, you do not offer much by way of reasonable, fact based alternatives as to how to contain the pandemic.