tomazbodner Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I was told that amnesty is only possible under state of emergency. Funny how foreigners bash state of emergency unaware that's the only thing keeping many of them in the country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darkside Gray Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 It is time the whole chaotic mess that is the visa system was brought into the 21st century and was made more easily understood and was made less open to the interpretations of the visa officers mostly who do not understand the rules themselves. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, leeedwards said: when I’ve had a perfectly legal and problem free visa up to now, and just because of the lack of foresight of the stupid authorities. Thanks for the empathy and understanding. Are you trying to tell us that you were unaware that each entry only allowed you to remain for 90 days? The ME visa method was not without risk and those of us that used the ME visa must accept that risk rather than trying to blame others. The travel restrictions manifested a risk that none of us would have contemplated, but that is life and only you can deal with it. I was an RAF apprentice when Rhodesia declared UDI in 1964. The Rhodesian apprentices were immediately deported, passports became invalid overnight. You should be thankful the government has exercised some leniency. Before you get on the high horse, I was on ME visa, last entry from Malaysia on 6th Feb. You really ought to reflect on where the lack of foresight lies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: I was told that amnesty is only possible under state of emergency. Funny how foreigners bash state of emergency unaware that's the only thing keeping many of them in the country... This is Thailand. The regime here can, and do, as they please. They've done it time and time again. They just make it up as they go along. There's no rule of law here. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cod Face Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, baansgr said: what about all of us that ... have religiously done 90 day reports... ..when there was absolutely no need to. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NanLaew Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: ... The real issue as I found out yesterday from my GF is the 100's of thousands probably closer to a million or so of migrant workers from the 4 surrounding border countries. This. The amount of foreigners may be a drop in the bucket compared with migrant labour. My observations over three visits to Udon Thani immigration on three separate days last week was a sum total of only half a dozen farangs. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Benitostacos Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, NanLaew said: This. The amount of foreigners may be a drop in the bucket compared with migrant labour. My observations over three visits to Udon Thani immigration on three separate days last week was a sum total of only half a dozen farangs. Yup same with KK immigration. 99 percent of people in the packed office were from Laos and Vietnam. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NemoH Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 Sigh .. this amnesty termination is so short sighted - "killing the ''goose'' - who may lay golden or silver eggs" - of thousands of foreigners who decided on staying in Thailand, spending their money in thailand and boosting the Thai economy along the way. They are so focused on getting tourists into Thailand that they neglect the already here foreigners and tourist. To stay for the past 6 months as tourist on amnesty is by itself a testimony of the immense buying power of this collective group. Sigh... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2 is 1 Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, NanLaew said: This. The amount of foreigners may be a drop in the bucket compared with migrant labour. My observations over three visits to Udon Thani immigration on three separate days last week was a sum total of only half a dozen farangs. When i last visit Chiang Khan IO there was me + one other farang! And IO was full of people , people sit on crass outside coz don't have enough chair's! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: I was told that amnesty is only possible under state of emergency. Funny how foreigners bash state of emergency unaware that's the only thing keeping many of them in the country... Everybody - incorrectly - uses the term 'amnesty' as short-speak for what is actually an automatic extension of the permission to stay Afaik such automatic extension is not dependent on or related to the state of emergency. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retfed50 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Grumpy John said: Silly lot of rot they go on with. Why the he11 didn't they extends it a week ago. These clowns in government are annoying so many people with their silliness. They don't care that they are annoying foreigners. That's the only job they do well! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 i still find it incredible that there are supposedly 100,000 plus people who can come on holidays, or to visit family, in April and still be here in October, no job or family they need to return to, fantastic passive incomes from their online businesses. If peoples circumstances are such that a 6 month unexpected extension to travel plans is no big deal, why haven't they moved to Thailand years ago. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Still brain dead. No sign of brain activity at all. Just extend it once for 2 years and be done with it already. Stop pretending you are doing any work each month. Be happy anyone is here spending money and try to keep them. This is not brain surgery and thank goodness as there are no brains to do surgery on. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Cod Face said: ..when there was absolutely no need to. Mine is next week...better I did it in July when IO was empty rather than queuing this week when it's full. Edited September 28, 2020 by baansgr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pravda Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I guess I have to apologize to a guy who spoke to Phuket immigration officer from the upstairs division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NemoH said: Sigh .. this amnesty termination is so short sighted - "killing the ''goose'' - who may lay golden or silver eggs" - of thousands of foreigners who decided on staying in Thailand, spending their money in thailand and boosting the Thai economy along the way. They are so focused on getting tourists into Thailand that they neglect the already here foreigners and tourist. To stay for the past 6 months as tourist on amnesty is by itself a testimony of the immense buying power of this collective group. Sigh... As others have mentioned, many of the people still here on amnesty are burmese condo builders, not tourists seeing out the virus in the Hilton. Most western tourists have jobs to go back to, If a western tourist is that well off and wants to stay they can take up one of the many longstay options Edited September 28, 2020 by Peterw42 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Garden Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Of course and next month they will re-extend etc... Nose Down, Nose Down ! Is there any pilot in the cockpit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 as long as the land borders are closed, they should extend this ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FritsSikkink Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Fat George said: If it's true, then the Thai immigration dept. have really shot themselves in the foot with this latest U turn. From now on, you can be sure that many people on the visa amnesty will choose to just ignore their empty threats of overstay fines etc. and stay here anyway. For now everybody who did nothing is on overstay until there is an official announcement. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zikomat Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 How many of those who wanted to stay were forced to leave? In time when the number of incoming tourists is zero for 6 months. Well done! Also many thanks to the numerous provocateurs from this forum who created panic and urged people to leave. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bangkok Barry Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 How can you extend something that has already expired? The amnesty already expired on Saturday. The correct term surely is that they are (allegedly at this time) introducing a new amnesty from what I assume will be Monday, the 28th. So those who didn't leave when the amnesty expired will have been on one days overstay. Maybe if they now go for the new amnesty they'll be fined 500 baht for that. I have little doubt that some IOs will try it on. Meanwhile, I like many others went down the 60-day extension route, and when I asked what would happen at the end of that I was told that I had to leave Thailand. I've been here 25 years or so, have a wife, a house, a car and family, but have to get out of the country unless I brought 400,000 baht into the country. Which I hurriedly did because it needs to be there for 60 days, even though I had preferred to keep my money in the UK instead. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: i still find it incredible that there are supposedly 100,000 plus people who can come on holidays, or to visit family, in April and still be here in October, no job or family they need to return to, fantastic passive incomes from their online businesses. If peoples circumstances are such that a 6 month unexpected extension to travel plans is no big deal, why haven't they moved to Thailand years ago. Some people like long "holidays"! And can't chance the location. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odisan Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Fat George said: If it's true, then the Thai immigration dept. have really shot themselves in the foot with this latest U turn. From now on, you can be sure that many people on the visa amnesty will choose to just ignore their empty threats of overstay fines etc. and stay here anyway. When you set a deadline ( as they did on 26th Sep, for either extensions or exit ) then you have to enforce it. Or you lose face and are in a much weaker position. For those who left ( prematurely it seems ) this situation must be even more frustrating. I agree and it's clear that (once again) it wasn't thought through. If you've got tens of thousands in a mad rush, then you either need to have the capacity to process them, the jail cells to throw them in, and a PR machine that's good enough to handle the backlash that's sure to follow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post barsie Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, Oldie said: The tourists will learn. The new amnesty obviously goes until October 31st. Will there anybody believe that there will be not another amnesty? This time the government said already several times that there will be none. Why should anybody believe them next time? And people who paid 1900 Baht for an extension or did everything to fly back home in the end got punished for believing them. It's just insane hoops they make you jump through then change rules. I've been to a fair few thai offices for things and NEVER left with expected outcome despite researching beforehand. Even visa companies never seem to have a clue. Last 1 I saw told me I was on overstay and needed to pay fine- I want home checked with passport and I was NOT on overstay. I don't know if she was trying to scam me on 8000 baht for a none existent overstay. I've had zero issue at immigration, as it was not true. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUAinBKK Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Airbagwill said: It isn't the "help" from foreigners that has caused this....tey simply realise it can't happen on time.....so many decisions in Thailand are by "dictum' with no regard for reasoning or implementation. The foreigners in Thailand present little income to the government but also little threat - they certainly don't present a covid threat.......if they start needing healthcare, then they are a threat.....but 150 as a percentage of 70 million is pretty small. Have you actually done the reserch to empirically support your statement that foreigners “present little income to the government”? Can you also say that foreigners present little income to Thailand? If either is yes, please share that supporting data. I have many people who are anxious to see the evidence so they can make significant changes to their economic modeling systems. Thank you and we will take No Adequate response with data as you are as your name insists. Thank you for this opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benitostacos Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: How can you extend something that has already expired? The amnesty already expired on Saturday. The correct term surely is that they are (allegedly at this time) introducing a new amnesty from what I assume will be Monday, the 28th. So those who didn't leave when the amnesty expired will have been on one days overstay. Maybe if they now go for the new amnesty they'll be fined 500 baht for that. I have little doubt that some IOs will try it on. Just make it retroactive like the original amnesty. Announced in April but dated for March 26th. But I can see IOs trying to pull this off as well. LOL Edited September 28, 2020 by Benitostacos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greggraham Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 From the main Thai Visa group on FB: Quote Today at Surin Immigration they are handing out the official letter addressing the extension of grace period to 31 October. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barsie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: How can you extend something that has already expired? The amnesty already expired on Saturday. The correct term surely is that they are (allegedly at this time) introducing a new amnesty from what I assume will be Monday, the 28th. So those who didn't leave when the amnesty expired will have been on one days overstay. Maybe if they now go for the new amnesty they'll be fined 500 baht for that. I have little doubt that some IOs will try it on. Meanwhile, I like many others went down the 60-day extension route, and when I asked what would happen at the end of that I was told that I had to leave Thailand. I've been here 25 years or so, have a wife, a house, a car and family, but have to get out of the country unless I brought 400,000 baht into the country. Which I hurriedly did because it needs to be there for 60 days, even though I had preferred to keep my money in the UK instead. 1 day overstay doesn't get 500 baht fine. I only know because I had a technical overstay- was at airport for late flight which made me like 1 hour past my visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: So those who didn't leave when the amnesty expired will have been on one days overstay. No! If end day is in weekend you can still request visa on monday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUAinBKK Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said: For now everybody who did nothing is on overstay until there is an official announcement. I read this as YES. However, make 100% and verify your expectation. Don’t forget that 90 Day reporting is a Completely separate issue to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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