British ministers prepare for social lockdown in northern Britain, London - The Times

[gamini]

7 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

???? Brilliant!

Is

this poster joking.... The government has completely mishandled the whole situation with U-turns and lack of leadership. Boris Johnson has completely failed the British public. I think that Thailand deserves the most praise for having handled the virus with professionalism.

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false claim removed

[sawadee1947]

13 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

In what way has the communication been poor ? Granted the Government has changed tactics but they've always been upfront and informative.

 

Walking in my local supermarket the other day and a good amount of people not social distancing or wearing masks. What part of it do they not understand !?

 

Whilst I acknowledge the Government hasn't always got it right, this is a once in a generation event for which none of us were prepared for.

 

I wish people would stop bashing the Government and take accountibility for their own actions.

 

Sorry to say, but your comment is silly. 

I wonder how you will now explain to me why eg  Germany has not even 10.000 deaths and UK almost 50.000 ?????

And daily cases 3000 vs 7000?

Because of good management?

And why I would have to drive for a corona test for almost 700 km? 

(out of stock!!!!!!!!) 

Good management? 

After lock down open the pubs and now lock from 10 PM. 

Good management?

Do you believe in fairy tales? 

Then listen to your clown Boris the liar!!!! ????????????????????

[Chelseafan]

4 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Sorry to say, but your comment is silly. 

I wonder how you will now explain to me why eg  Germany has not even 10.000 deaths and UK almost 50.000 ?????

And daily cases 3000 vs 7000?

Because of good management?

And why I would have to drive for a corona test for almost 700 km? 

(out of stock!!!!!!!!) 

Good management? 

After lock down open the pubs and now lock from 10 PM. 

Good management?

Do you believe in fairy tales? 

Then listen to your clown Boris the liar!!!! ????????????????????

 

Sorry to say but you should read what I put. I said THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T ALWAYS GOT IT RIGHT.

 

The problem is our Government is beginning to mirror the Thai one, announcing all these plans without time to implement them however, my inital point is we have to take responsibility ourselves or do you disagree ?

 

I have no love for Boris, but God help us if this were being inplemented by the Labour party! Best of a bad bunch unfortunately!

 

 

 

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Sorry to say but you should read what I put. I said THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T ALWAYS GOT IT RIGHT.

 

The problem is our Government is beginning to mirror the Thai one, announcing all these plans without time to implement them however, my inital point is we have to take responsibility ourselves or do you disagree ?

 

I have no love for Boris, but God help us if this were being inplemented by the Labour party! Best of a bad bunch unfortunately!

 

 

 

How exactly could any other party have done a worse job?

[onthedarkside]

An unsourced graphic on death rate causes in the UK has been removed, as well as a video from an unapproved news source.

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

There is some truth in that, but it is 90% govt policy that is at fault. Current second wave was entirely avoidable, but business pressures from pubs and universities especially made things a lot worse than they should have been

Current 2nd wave is not avoidable according to many scientific experts. Lockdowns just postpone the inevitable. Ask the Kiwis! 

 

I'm as baffled as most people are about the best course of action to take. But with proportionately less people being hospitalised / dying this time around, we need to consider the possibility that lockdowns are not the answer. Taking into account the long term effects of job losses and nationwide poverty, plus the mental health deterioration and postponed cancer treatments etc. 

[rickudon]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

How exactly could any other party have done a worse job?

Well, it's not just the party. But we only have to look to the Americas (nearly every country south of Canada) to see how President's and government policies have utterly failed. Six out of ten of the countries with the highest per capita death rates are in the Americas. 

[Chelseafan]

5 hours ago, baboon said:

How exactly could any other party have done a worse job?

 

Done nothing at all!

Never trust a labour government to get you out of the <deleted>. Get in it, yes! Get out, no!

 

[baboon]

5 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Done nothing at all!

Never trust a labour government to get you out of the <deleted>. Get in it, yes! Get out, no!

 

Doing nothing at all (not that they would) could hardly have been any worse as far as I can tell. Now we seem to have the worst of all worlds.

[Chelseafan]

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

Doing nothing at all (not that they would) could hardly have been any worse as far as I can tell. Now we seem to have the worst of all worlds.

 

Doing nothing would of course been worse. Hospitals were at the point of collapsing, infections were rocketing, people were dying. Remember, we are talking about this from a position of hindsight. A lot of things could have been done differently but we didn't have the full facts (and still don't) about how infectious and fatal this disease is.

 

At least (I think) with the second wave we are a lot more prepared.

 

What I wished the Government had done was deploy the army to assist with policing and testing, very surprised that this wasn't done

 

The most depressing thing about all this is how many people have lost their jobs and once Furlough is over, how many further job losses there will be.

 

Anyhow, who's "we"? You live in Thailand ????

 

[sawadee1947]

6 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

but God help us if this were being inplemented by the Labour party

That sounds funny. 

Wasn't it Labour who complained about mismangement concerning NHS? 

No money, no investments, no doctors, no nurses, patients on looking waiting list 

And the result you can see now. 

No test kits, no hospital beds, horrible nursing homes, no staff, no corona app, no hope. 

And next no medicines. 

Not better than any 3rd world country. ????

[Chelseafan]

23 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

That sounds funny. 

Wasn't it Labour who complained about mismangement concerning NHS? 

No money, no investments, no doctors, no nurses, patients on looking waiting list 

And the result you can see now. 

No test kits, no hospital beds, horrible nursing homes, no staff, no corona app, no hope. 

And next no medicines. 

Not better than any 3rd world country. ????

 

Are you naieve enough to think that if Labour were in power it would be any different ?

Don't you think that the Tories would be the ones complaining about mismagement concerning NHS ?

Who was it who raided pension pots and went on a huge spending spree with money they didn't have

Who was it who nearly collapsed the country in the 70's with the Winter of Discontent ?

Perhaps you don't remember paying nigh-on 20% on your mortage in the late 70's/early 80's thanks to the scewups by labour leaving inflation unchecked.

 

The reality is that Labour spend far too much money and the Tories don't spend enough. That's the way it is.

 

As for the NHS. There isn't enough money in the world* to make the NHS the system we all want. It's a money pit. The more that's put in, the more it devours. It needs a huge overhaul and some radical thinking if it's going to survive into the future.

 

* there probably is

 

 

 

 

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[Chelseafan]

5 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

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[473geo]

Yeah blame the government, like they are not damned if they do and damned if they don't. Get on with life, be happy you are not a victim of covid and quit moaning!!

[baboon]

4 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Doing nothing would of course been worse. Hospitals were at the point of collapsing, infections were rocketing, people were dying. Remember, we are talking about this from a position of hindsight. A lot of things could have been done differently but we didn't have the full facts (and still don't) about how infectious and fatal this disease is.

 

At least (I think) with the second wave we are a lot more prepared.

 

What I wished the Government had done was deploy the army to assist with policing and testing, very surprised that this wasn't done

 

The most depressing thing about all this is how many people have lost their jobs and once Furlough is over, how many further job losses there will be.

 

Anyhow, who's "we"? You live in Thailand ????

 

Not right now. Locked out of Thailand and working in a halfway house with a load of 'ex' offenders. It ain't fun, believe me, but that is one for another thread....

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cut your own throat opening bars and then schools, what did you think would happen?

[bannork]

UK government dazed and confused (for so long it's not true)