In other news, Singapore has just opened its border to Australia and Vietnam without requiring quarantine (covid test on arrival) from Oct 8, while Australia will open to New Zealand without quarantine from Oct 16

 

Finally some common sense

9 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

No quarantine, spend 50,000 baht per head over 5-7 days, spread the disease, sounds like a great idea, open the flood gates, they have to eventually.

Your username says it all ...

9 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

No quarantine, spend 50,000 baht per head over 5-7 days, spread the disease, sounds like a great idea, open the flood gates, they have to eventually.

You keep using the term “flood gates”. I can understand why, what you’re trying to communicate. But in reality there’s no deluge, no flood, no hordes of people ready to rush in. Even if the authorities declared that everything was going back to normal in December, visa on arrival up

and running as before, they would be hard pressed to get more than a few hundred thousand tourists in a month. Compare that to the millions who arrived in December 2019. Airlines would have to start up their businesses again. That won’t happen overnight. The same with travel agencies. So there’s no flood. 

8 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

And the gates of hades to reward China will be fully opened and then closed again after the Chinese bring the virus back in again. Seems to be too much wanting to snuggle up with the commie government and looking the other way that they created the virus.

 

Now for Taiwan the honest independent non commie country, I am all for letting these good people with a good government in. . 

It’s the American and the English that will bring in the virus not the Chinese. Duhhh!!!

8 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

I want two blondes and a Ferrari but that's not going to happen either.  

You might have to settle for 2 shaved beavers and a taxi with no meter

3 minutes ago, michaellee said:

It’s the American and the English that will bring in the virus not the Chinese. Duhhh!!!

And your last name is Lee? Do some reading unless you are one of them. Commie China covers everything up as you never get t he real truth. Nor their people do either. Hong Kong still keeps fighting their BS of control thank all the Gods.. BTW. what about Brazil and India etc? Please be educated when speaking. 

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by holy cow cm

Who actually thinks that this C19 Flu will disappear entirely at some point in the (???) future, and that we will all go back to the way it was previously? Is this the expectation before boarders etc are reopened? I suspect that this C19 Flu will probably linger around indefinitely, with outbreaks here and there. Is Thailand to keep its borders closed forever?  God forbid if another disease or virus comes along as well (Bubonic Plaque anyone?) in that scenario, are we to hunker down in some silo until its all over? Its now going to be very difficult if not impossible to dispel the fear created, and overcome the effects of the disproportionate methodologies employed in order to try and contain this Flu like virus. But folk (least in the west) are beginning to wake up and instead of making sheepish noises are asking, why they have lost their jobs, why their business have been ruined, why more of their loved ones have had to die due to not having access to routine and/or vital medial services, why have more folk committed suicide, why more folk are suffering from mental health problems, why have more folk had to suffer at the hands of abusers, why has their economy been trashed to the extent it will take decades to return to pre C19 Flu days (and if you thought the austerity policies previously employed after the financial crisis was bad, I suspect that in the future we will be happy to see those days again, as opposed to what will be coming our way). We are also being told about this new second wave in many countries, but the figures seem to suggest that we have not as yet reached the scale of infections during March (figures were 10 times higher), yet the rules are more harsh and desperate? 

 

Countries will have to open up at some point, not to do so, will put them into isolation, this will not only effect tourism, but eventually the wider economy. There is more at stake here than the few million employed in the tourist and related sectors, as well as the GDP % generated from tourism. Concession will need to be made, lets hope its not left to late.

8 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Just feasible with a 15min covid test....100% on arrival......if not the virus will rip through Thailand and it will be where the UK was in March.

In any case you need a 72 H Negative Covid Test to board any airline to start with and than add Covid Test at arrival and i think the level of safety is already quite high ... 

What could be the % of Visitors that beeing both negative at Covid test 72 H before boarding and Covid test at arrival made at Airport ?

10 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

No quarantine, spend 50,000 baht per head over 5-7 days, spread the disease, sounds like a great idea, open the flood gates, they have to eventually.

     They have to come eventually, why ?.  . Too  support the Hospitality, trade ?.  I think not . 

     Thai Government , decision makers  , care little about Thai citizens, of the lower caste, in the trade.

     Thai Government , cares even less,  about us Aliens/ foreigner ...

 

       Look to the future , it's only just begun ....

 

     

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by elliss

2 hours ago, Strongheart said:

In this case:"Don't believe the scam."

Anyone who still believes in this scamdemic needs to toss their TV out the window and attempt to rub two brain cells together to start  comprehending that this whole COVIT-19 thing is bs.

What would it all be good for then ? I see only losers in this ' game ' ... ( except Amazon , Ebay , etc ) , but I seriously doubt that it was them who created the virus ...

17 minutes ago, DaveCW said:

Who actually thinks that this C19 Flu will disappear entirely at some point in the (???) future, and that we will all go back to the way it was previously? Is this the expectation before boarders etc are reopened? I suspect that this C19 Flu will probably linger around indefinitely, with outbreaks here and there. Is Thailand to keep its borders closed forever?  God forbid if another disease or virus comes along as well (Bubonic Plaque anyone?) in that scenario, are we to hunker down in some silo until its all over? Its now going to be very difficult if not impossible to dispel the fear created, and overcome the effects of the disproportionate methodologies employed in order to try and contain this Flu like virus. But folk (least in the west) are beginning to wake up and instead of making sheepish noises are asking, why they have lost their jobs, why their business have been ruined, why more of their loved ones have had to die due to not having access to routine and/or vital medial services, why have more folk committed suicide, why more folk are suffering from mental health problems, why have more folk had to suffer at the hands of abusers, why has their economy been trashed to the extent it will take decades to return to pre C19 Flu days (and if you thought the austerity policies previously employed after the financial crisis was bad, I suspect that in the future we will be happy to see those days again, as opposed to what will be coming our way). We are also being told about this new second wave in many countries, but the figures seem to suggest that we have not as yet reached the scale of infections during March (figures were 10 times higher), yet the rules are more harsh and desperate? 

 

Countries will have to open up at some point, not to do so, will put them into isolation, this will not only effect tourism, but eventually the wider economy. There is more at stake here than the few million employed in the tourist and related sectors, as well as the GDP % generated from tourism. Concession will need to be made, lets hope its not left to late.

Think mutation and also second waves and then second waves of the mutations as the seasons change as people let their guard down. Only way to be sure is for countries to hunker down and wait for a wonder vaccine solution or like the USA is on par to do, let it roll and then everyone or nearly everyone has had it so hopefully immune. I actually think China has already discovered and made the vaccine before they released it to crush and debilitate the world. 1.4 billion people most in bunched living conditions and poor is impossible to control. Perhaps they sprayed the antibody vaccine in the air so everyone would have resistance? Contrails? They sent people to space so this would be rather easy for them to massively pull off.

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by holy cow cm

So typical. All about them and no interest in the tourists welfare or enjoyment. Hope no mucker turns up. 

44 minutes ago, Donga said:

Thailand need not fear another outbreak with the disciplines already in place.

Visitors from safe countries are to encouraged, and there are many in the places including China, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and Australia, NZ. Forget about sex tourists, they are no longer about to hop on a plane whether from a safe country or not.

There are so many poorer Thais, who will benefit from careful re-opening. And not just those directly involved in tourism, but those in so many cafes, bars, cleaning, tours and a myriad of small businesses.

There is much to fear about a second wave. If the virus takes hold as it has in the US or UK, the toll on the Thai people and health services would be catastrophic. 

 

So many poorer Thais work in industries unrelated to tourism, such as construction, motorbike taxis, shop workers, garbage collection, food vendors, service staff in malls and the majority of sex-workers.

 

You are advocating, for probably selfish reasons, opening the country for the benefit of the few and to the detriment of the many.

 

I am sure the majority of Thais would be totally against opening the borders and allowing unrestricted travel at this time.

1 hour ago, mike1967 said:

My point is, you don't want foreigners to return yet you appear to be a foreigner. Can't have it both ways.

But I have it both ways. 

 

I am a foreigner currently in Thailand. 

9 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Just feasible with a 15min covid test....100% on arrival......if not the virus will rip through Thailand and it will be where the UK was in March.

 

surely test before arrival?!

5 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

But I have it both ways. 

 

I am a foreigner currently in Thailand. 

Sure, but your original post said:

“They don't want foreigners here at the moment and I wholeheartedly agree with them. “

If you don’t include yourself as a foreigner and leave, you come across as extremely hypocritical. Which is not a good look on an online forum. 

26 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

What would it all be good for then ? I see only losers in this ' game ' ... ( except Amazon , Ebay , etc ) , but I seriously doubt that it was them who created the virus ...

 

In  my neck of the woods . 

  With people not going , for evening meals anymore including myself and family,,  thx pandemic panic .

  Grab delivery service , along with Panda ,  are winners ...

 Life , will never be the same .  Covid-19  has changed the World , forever..

 

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by elliss

42 minutes ago, DaveCW said:

Who actually thinks that this C19 Flu will disappear entirely at some point in the (???) future, and that we will all go back to the way it was previously? Is this the expectation before boarders etc are reopened? I suspect that this C19 Flu will probably linger around indefinitely, with outbreaks here and there. Is Thailand to keep its borders closed forever?  God forbid if another disease or virus comes along as well (Bubonic Plaque anyone?) in that scenario, are we to hunker down in some silo until its all over? Its now going to be very difficult if not impossible to dispel the fear created, and overcome the effects of the disproportionate methodologies employed in order to try and contain this Flu like virus. But folk (least in the west) are beginning to wake up and instead of making sheepish noises are asking, why they have lost their jobs, why their business have been ruined, why more of their loved ones have had to die due to not having access to routine and/or vital medial services, why have more folk committed suicide, why more folk are suffering from mental health problems, why have more folk had to suffer at the hands of abusers, why has their economy been trashed to the extent it will take decades to return to pre C19 Flu days (and if you thought the austerity policies previously employed after the financial crisis was bad, I suspect that in the future we will be happy to see those days again, as opposed to what will be coming our way). We are also being told about this new second wave in many countries, but the figures seem to suggest that we have not as yet reached the scale of infections during March (figures were 10 times higher), yet the rules are more harsh and desperate? 

 

Countries will have to open up at some point, not to do so, will put them into isolation, this will not only effect tourism, but eventually the wider economy. There is more at stake here than the few million employed in the tourist and related sectors, as well as the GDP % generated from tourism. Concession will need to be made, lets hope its not left to late.

Excellent post .

There are only 2 possibilities in the moment . Either the virus disappears slowly because an effective vaccine is found that provides a LASTING Immunity , or it is here to stay ... In this case , no other way than to open the borders and try to do business same before , but , this time , with the virus still being present ...

Singapore is about to allow Australians to enter, tested on arrival at airport then straight into isolation until results are known, should take about 3 days, if clear you are free, perhaps they have a more stringent testing proceedure that somehow advocates whether one will have it within the incubation period, also new zealand is opening up as well to aussies, but not from Melbourne hehe!, so looks like not only Thailand is opening up, leading up to christmas i feel more countries will relax restrictions, just hope it doesn't come back to bite them, belarus is about to take delivery of the rusky vaccine next month, untested voluntary or unvoluntary shots will be administered, western countries are saying that a vaccine won't be ready before 2022, so not real sure if i would want a shot of rusky vodka ☺, plus the question begs... why are rusky numbers still going up if they have a good working vaccine.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

we expect 100,000 foreigners to want to come for 5-7 days and spend 5 billion baht". 

Looks as though the crystal ball is out again , they even know how much is going to be spent .

9 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

Does he read newspapers? Virtually every country even New Zealand which had an extremely good record of no infections for over 100 days had an outbreak of cases after being virus free for 100 days. The ridiculous paperwork that needs to be done before getting on a plane could be simplified and the period of quarantine counted from the first covid19 test taken abroad. However all arrivals should be tested and not allowed out of their hotels until 14 days after their first test. They should also be tested 7 days after arrival. If they are symptom free 14 days after their first test taken in their home country then they could safely leave their hotels. 

 

However this is Thailand and such a simple solution wouldn't work as a tip of around 200 baht would probably suffice for a pass to get out of the hotel before the safe period expired. 

That's what the rules are anyway ????

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

There is much to fear about a second wave. If the virus takes hold as it has in the US or UK, the toll on the Thai people and health services would be catastrophic. 

 

So many poorer Thais work in industries unrelated to tourism, such as construction, motorbike taxis, shop workers, garbage collection, food vendors, service staff in malls and the majority of sex-workers.

 

You are advocating, for probably selfish reasons, opening the country for the benefit of the few and to the detriment of the many.

 

I am sure the majority of Thais would be totally against opening the borders and allowing unrestricted travel at this time.

Thailand has much more consistent control and community discipline than UK or the US. They nailed Covid-19 for that very reason.

Careful re-opening with safe countries with appropriate testing will not lead to a UK or US outbreak. 

I'm not a poorer Thai or selfish, and if I can protect my self with sensible choices, so can others, 

Btw am not talking about "unrestricted travel", but appropriate safeguards as other countries are beginning to implement. We know a lot more about about Covid-19 and how to manage.

Too many people are suffering needlessly.
 

1 hour ago, samsensam said:

 

surely test before arrival?!

 

   Surely , test's before departure , from your Home Country ..

4 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

1.5 million people died from TB in 2014 – over 4,100 deaths every day. TB is now the leading infectious cause of death worldwide.

Sorry 2014. Typo.

1.3 to 1.5 million die on the roads in the world each year, but travelling on the roads had not been banned, nor has walking near the roads ! And no country - not even disastrous thailand - has shut their economy for death figures 4-500 times worse than covid figures!

Ok   stop quarantine  really good idea   

But  what about $100,000  us  virus  insurance  and the wrist  bands  the   tracing  all the other test  before flights   all the  Nazi  treatment

Really  think tourist will come in droves  

From what country  ?

Most will not have  international flights  till well into  next year  

OHhhhhhhhhhhhh  you  talking about the  Chinese  no quarantine  great idea mate  

The virus is  over  all good  go for it  you  foolish little  men in  power

Dream on  

Good luck  Thailand 

3 hours ago, Quietus said:

Why are so many contributors to this forum so racist?

Honesty...? ???? 

A great way to enhance Thailand's reputation for prostituting itself.

 

 

We are a retired couple with a hugely expensive condo for the last 7 years, with valid Non-O re-entry visas, stuck outside Thailand. Having sold our main residence a couple of years back, now forced to stay with the kids in our country since March. We're not tourists, we just want to return to our home and car. Absolutely no response from the local Thai embassy here.

11 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

And the gates of hades to reward China will be fully opened and then closed again after the Chinese bring the virus back in again. Seems to be too much wanting to snuggle up with the commie government and looking the other way that they created the virus.

 

Now for Taiwan the honest independent non commie country, I am all for letting these good people with a good government in. . 

The Chinese are commies in name only... let's take their money, I say. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/04/30/chinas-communist-billionaires

11 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

They don't want foreigners here at the moment and I wholeheartedly agree with them.

I assume since you've mentioned in the past how you've got permanent residency in Thailand that you're a foreigner.....so I take it from your comment you've got your bags packed and a plane ticket out of Thailand booked? Of course this assuming you're actually IN Thailand. Or is this a case of, "I'm special and should be allowed to be here, but no one else can?" IMO, that's what it sounds like to me, correct me if I'm wrong.