EU, UK to step up Brexit talks to try to close 'significant gaps' over trade deal

[sandyf]

19 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Did you stop reading when it got to this part? 

 

Environment minister Victoria Prentis called on “the fearmongering” to stop.

“We are not going to be importing chlorine-washed chicken or hormone-treated beef. That is the law of this land.

"This Government is not going to change it under any circumstances and we have said very clearly that in all our trade negotiations, we will not compromise our high environmental protection, animal welfare or food standards.”

"we have said very clearly "

 

Some may believe that makes it fact.

[sandyf]

29 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Hang on, Cameron and Osborne (the most powerful Tory toffs at the time) did everything they could to scare people into voting Remain. Including spending £9m of taxpayers' money on the famous project fear leaflet. How can you possibly say the Tories engineered this for personal gain? 

Quite right in what you say. Cameron and Osborne did nothing to educate on the benefits of EU membership. They made claims that were so outrageous that they lost all credibility. Makes you wonder if they were not in fact closet brexiteers, but I think arrogance was more likely.

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Hang on, Cameron and Osborne (the most powerful Tory toffs at the time) did everything they could to scare people into voting Remain. Including spending £9m of taxpayers' money on the famous project fear leaflet. How can you possibly say the Tories engineered this for personal gain? 

 

The British public made this happen. Just accept that. 

He was just caught up in a moment of rabbitidy. ???? 

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, transam said:

I will give you 8 out of 10 for that one on my daft meter......

But my rabid reading showed a 9.

Edited October 13, 2020 by nauseus

[CG1 Blue]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"we have said very clearly "

 

Some may believe that makes it fact.

And if they don't stick to what they say and the British public don't like it, we can vote them out at the next GE. So why does it concern you? 

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Quite right in what you say. Cameron and Osborne did nothing to educate on the benefits of EU membership. They made claims that were so outrageous that they lost all credibility. Makes you wonder if they were not in fact closet brexiteers, but I think arrogance was more likely.

Read this. It might stop some of your nonsense:

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

 

But then again.....

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Did you stop reading when it got to this part? 

 

Environment minister Victoria Prentis called on “the fearmongering” to stop.

“We are not going to be importing chlorine-washed chicken or hormone-treated beef. That is the law of this land.

"This Government is not going to change it under any circumstances and we have said very clearly that in all our trade negotiations, we will not compromise our high environmental protection, animal welfare or food standards.”

Naivety in children can be endearing but in adults, it tends to be looked on with scorn. 

[Loiner]

20 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Was May's Government elected?  By the people?  That damn democracy at work again - but seemingly only to be invoked when in your favour?

 

PH

May was an arch Remainer who wasn't elected but inherited the PM job went Cameron ran away. She started off making the right noises like "Brexit Means Brexit" or the other one "No Deal is better than a bad deal", but unfortunately her true Remainer colours showed through. Even with the 'support' of the opposition, her closet Remainer Tories and Remainer Lords she still couldn't con the whole country into EU subjugation. What another Remainer loser fail at the hands of democracy.

In her democratic snap election she was only barely re-elected when she lost most of her majority in 2017, but internal democracy in the Tory party eventually ousted her. After her replacement by Boris, his snap election based on a "Let's get Brexit Done" manifesto saw more democracy at work with his landslide victory.

 

What did Remainers win democratically except nothing? 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

May was an arch Remainer who wasn't elected but inherited the PM job went Cameron ran away. She started off making the right noises like "Brexit Means Brexit" or the other one "No Deal is better than a bad deal", but unfortunately her true Remainer colours showed through. Even with the 'support' of the opposition, her closet Remainer Tories and Remainer Lords she still couldn't con the whole country into EU subjugation. What another Remainer loser fail at the hands of democracy.

In her democratic snap election she was only barely re-elected when she lost most of her majority in 2017, but internal democracy in the Tory party eventually ousted her. After her replacement by Boris, his snap election based on a "Let's get Brexit Done" manifesto saw more democracy at work with his landslide victory.

 

What did Remainers win democratically except nothing? 

True - it just shows that there is no democracy in the UK, and that our government has no right to lecture other countries on democracy when a small minority of people can inflict the damage on Brexit on the majority, and when a government can get such a massively imbalanced number of MPs without getting a majority of votes. The UK is not a democracy; that is why the remainers won nothing. 

[Loiner]

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 QED; you simply cannot help it; no matter how foolish it proves you to be.

 

All from me on your ridiculous Supreme Court corruption claims; particularly as you weren't even able to get the events of the last three years correct.

Yeah, that was pretty corrupt of them.

 

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The UK is not a democracy; that is why the remainers won nothing. 

Actually the remainers won nothing because they lost - twice. 

 

You may not like the referendum / GE rules, but to say the UK is not a democracy is nonsense. 

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Actually the remainers won nothing because they lost - twice. 

 

You may not like the referendum / GE rules, but to say the UK is not a democracy is nonsense. 

The majority didn't want Johnson or the Nasty Party in government but they have an 80 seat majority. Call it what you like but don't call it democracy.

[bannork]

Has Boris overlooked the UK Services Sector?

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/10/13/brexit-professional-services-house-of-lords/

 

[RayC]

36 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yeah, that was pretty corrupt of them.

 

Of course, we should take everything that Leave.eu has to say at face value

 

"A replacement UK EU trade deal will be put in place to ensure the status-quo remains as it is."

Liz Binley, Vote Leave CEO, Leave.EU press release, 6 January 2016

[7by7]

19 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Ok, so 53% voted for parties that were going to get Brexit done with a condition, and 43.6% voted for the party getting Brexit done with no conditions. That's 96.6% voting in favour of parties accepting Brexit then. As I said before, that's pretty conclusive! 

 Pretty conclusive that the majority of voters want a say on the final deal. 

 

Don't you believe in giving people what the majority wants; you know, democracy?

 

19 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The Lib Dems were the only major party offering to stop Brexit. The 'unashamed party of Remain' went from 12 seats in the HoC to just 11 seats. You should stop digging this hole.

Yes, they did lose a seat; but they also increased their share of the vote by 4.2%. 

 

Unfortunately, our first past the post system meant they lost a seat despite this increase, whilst the Tories had a massive gain of 47 seats despite a meagre share of the vote increase of only 1.2%.

 

But we have only ourselves to blame due to the 2011 referendum result.

 

19 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Boris' 'over ready deal' was the Withdrawal Agreement - which was subsequently implemented. Your point is? 

He promised an oven ready trade deal; hasn't happened yet.

 

His much vaunted withdrawal agreement? You mean the one which, despite his trumpeting it as a personal triumph, despite his European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020, he's now reneged on?

[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

He promised an oven ready trade deal; hasn't happened yet.

 

His much vaunted withdrawal agreement? You mean the one which, despite his trumpeting it as a personal triumph, despite his European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020, he's now reneged on?

His 'oven ready deal' was the WA, not the FTA. Please don't bend the truth. 

 

And he hasn't reneged on it. Parliament are voting through laws which will protect us in case the EU use an extreme interpretation of the agreement to damage our internal UK trading arrangements. If the EU don't play dirty there will be no need to use those laws. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

The majority didn't want Johnson or the Nasty Party in government but they have an 80 seat majority. Call it what you like but don't call it democracy.

It's quite definitely democracy. First past the post wins.

We were asked in referendum about your preferred type of loser democracy by committee but you couldn't even win there either. How can you think that the combined forces of losers could ever decide anything?

[7by7]

9 hours ago, vogie said:

It seems to me that chlorine washed goods only becomes a problem when originating in the USA, when tainted goods or your chlorine washed salads comes from the EU it is ok, hypocrisy at its finest.

"Which came first the disinfected chicken or the EU contaminated egg."

 

"No, for Remain MPs and campaigners it’s all about chlorinated chicken.

Why do they whine on about this? Because the EU bans US chicken, so it must be bad. Why does the EU ban it? Mainly to protect its massive chicken factories.

It’s worth noting that the EU’s principal objection to chlorine-washed chicken from the US is not the process itself, but their claim that chlorine-washing makes US producers less likely to worry about the hygiene of their birds before they are packaged.

We suggest that the EU goes to look at chicken factories in its own backyard, if it is concerned about the welfare of birds before they go to market.

Please note: This article is predominantly about hypocrisy and double standards in the EU. The subject of animal and bird welfare provokes strong reactions in many people, but this is beyond our remit to report on in any detail."

 

https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_aug_chicken_and_egg

I suggest you read "Sanitary and Phytosanitary, Animal Welfare and Environmental Regulations" starting on page 29 of this House of Commons report. You will see that your antiEU pressure group has been somewhat economical with it's facts!

 

This report was published in 2018 and in it the then Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Michael Gove, said in response to concerns over US food standards

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the Cabinet has agreed that there should be no compromise on high animal welfare and environmental standards.

As this current government, of which Gove is a member, kicked out a Lords amendment designed to protect those standards, this is another promise they have broken.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, transam said:

What's wrong with border control depots on our own soil....?

 

Nothing; except when a small village becomes a giant park for 2000 lorries!

[Phulublub]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Did you stop reading when it got to this part? 

 

Environment minister Victoria Prentis called on “the fearmongering” to stop.

“We are not going to be importing chlorine-washed chicken or hormone-treated beef. That is the law of this land.

"This Government is not going to change it under any circumstances and we have said very clearly that in all our trade negotiations, we will not compromise our high environmental protection, animal welfare or food standards.”

In which case why are they so against having this as primary legislation?

 

PH

[Phulublub]

39 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

His 'oven ready deal' was the WA, not the FTA. Please don't bend the truth. 

 

And he hasn't reneged on it. Parliament are voting through laws which will protect us in case the EU use an extreme interpretation of the agreement to damage our internal UK trading arrangements. If the EU don't play dirty there will be no need to use those laws. 

No, it  was not, as demonstrated by the twitter feed I posted earlier in response to nausseus (who has been conspicuous in his inability to respond).  Here it is again:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2020 by Phulublub

[7by7]

33 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

His 'oven ready deal' was the WA, not the FTA. Please don't bend the truth. 

The WA was part of his 'oven ready deal' but not all of it. 

 

37 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

And he hasn't reneged on it. Parliament are voting through laws which will protect us in case the EU use an extreme interpretation of the agreement to damage our internal UK trading arrangements. If the EU don't play dirty there will be no need to use those laws. 

Are you so naïve that you actually believe that; or do you think others are?

 

It's Johnson playing dirty. He's said to the EU that he's ready, willing and able to renege on his own agreement, ignore his own statute at any time he feels like it. It wont be 'if' for him, but 'when.'

 

Of course, he'll blame the EU whatever happens, and the sheeple will believe him.

[Loiner]

14 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Nothing; except when a small village becomes a giant park for 2000 lorries!

Of course everybody knows that we didn't have any lorry queues when we were still part of the EU.

 

And there have never ever been any lorry queues on the approach to Calais. The EU just wouldn't allow it, even if the Frenchies were the cause of it.

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

No, it  was not, as demonstrated by the twitter feed I posted earlier in response to nausseus (who has been conspicuous in his inability to respond).  Here it is again:

 

 

 

 

 

That was the WA. Gas mark 5.

[CG1 Blue]

23 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

No, it  was not, as demonstrated by the twitter feed I posted earlier in response to nausseus (who has been conspicuous in his inability to respond).  Here it is again:

 

 

 

 

 

Do you actually not know there was a Withdrawal Agreement which took us out of the EU in January 2020? Brexit was achieved. Or 'done' as Boris put it. 

Please stop repeating the same inaccurate comments about the 'oven ready deal'. It gets tiring explaining it over and over again ????

[7by7]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Of course everybody knows that we didn't have any lorry queues when we were still part of the EU.

 

And there have never ever been any lorry queues on the approach to Calais. The EU just wouldn't allow it, even if the Frenchies were the cause of it.

 

Those queues are from Operation Stack. 

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Operation Stack is a procedure that uses parts of the M20 to queue lorries travelling towards the continent, to avoid causing gridlock across Kent's roads.

It is used in emergency situations when crossings to the continent cannot happen, such as bad weather or industrial action.

Kent Police are responsible for implementing Operation Stack.

As are similar ones on the French side.

 

As can be seen; nothing to do with Brexit and the chaos it will generate which is causing the need for massive lorry parks to be built in the Kent countryside.

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

27 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The WA was part of his 'oven ready deal' but not all of it. 

Can you post some proof please? Proof that his oven ready deal slogan applied to anything but the WA. 

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Can you post some proof please? Proof that his oven ready deal slogan applied to anything but the WA. 

 Well, apart from the multitudinous press, which you may chose to believe or not, there is the following from Johnson himself just after the election.

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......we have a great new deal that is ready to go – so that we will finally be out of the EU by January 31......

......we will be able to remain close to our European friends and partners; but where we choose, we will be able to do things differently and better.

So what do you think he meant by 'remain close to our European friends and partners' if not some form of a trade deal?

 

But even if he did just mean the WA, as he has now decided his WA is so vulnerable that he has to be able to renege upon it on a whim, it couldn't have been that 'oven ready' at all!

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Those queues are from Operation Stack. 

As are similar ones on the French side.

 

As can be seen; nothing to do with Brexit and the chaos it will generate which is causing the need for massive lorry parks to be built in the Kent countryside.

 

 

There is obviously already a need for massive lorry parks to be built. Nothing to do with Brexit.

[evadgib]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

There is obviously already a need for massive lorry parks to be built. Nothing to do with Brexit.

Operation Stack has been SoP there for Donkeys.