1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 Well, apart from the multitudinous press, which you may chose to believe or not, there is the following from Johnson himself just after the election.

So what do you think he meant by 'remain close to our European friends and partners' if not some form of a trade deal?

 

But even if he did just mean the WA, as he has now decided his WA is so vulnerable that he has to be able to renege upon it on a whim, it couldn't have been that 'oven ready' at all!

So there is no proof that the 'oven ready deal' slogan related to anything other than the WA. Just your convoluted thoughts. We got there in the end! 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

There is obviously already a need for massive lorry parks to be built. Nothing to do with Brexit.

What is it you fail to understand about the Kent County Council's explanation that Operation Stack "is used in emergency situations when crossings to the continent cannot happen, such as bad weather or industrial action?"

 

"Emergency situations." Got it?  Completely different to continuous, routine delays caused by Brexit which means Queues in Kent could be 7,000 trucks long and last days, Gove warns.

 

 

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Operation Stack has been SoP there for Donkeys.

Indeed. Nothing to do with the delays likely from 1/1/21 onwards. 

43 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So there is no proof that the 'oven ready deal' slogan related to anything other than the WA. Just your convoluted thoughts. We got there in the end! 

 Except for the proof I provided!

 

Any response to my final point?  Namely even if he did just mean the WA, as he has now decided his WA is so vulnerable that he has to be able to renege upon it on a whim, it couldn't have been that 'oven ready' at all! 

53 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

What is it you fail to understand about the Kent County Council's explanation that Operation Stack "is used in emergency situations when crossings to the continent cannot happen, such as bad weather or industrial action?"

 

"Emergency situations." Got it?  Completely different to continuous, routine delays caused by Brexit which means Queues in Kent could be 7,000 trucks long and last days, Gove warns.

 

 

We frequently have the queues now and have done so for a long time. They are not caused by Brexit. The sky is not falling in. 

12 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

The majority didn't want Johnson or the Nasty Party in government but they have an 80 seat majority. Call it what you like but don't call it democracy.

How do you work that last point out?

16 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

And if they don't stick to what they say and the British public don't like it, we can vote them out at the next GE. So why does it concern you? 

Everyone should be concerned about the direction the government is taking. Of course you can wait for the next GE and hope that the damage is not irreversible.

In the meantime those that voted for this government should reflect on the wisdom of that decision, as they stagger from one problem to another.

 

The government has been forced to spend almost £80m of taxpayers’ money on hiring ferries in the hope of avoiding disruption to vital medical supplies caused by Brexit at the end of 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ferries-grant-shapps-no-deal-dover-medical-supplies-b1012257.html

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

Read this. It might stop some of your nonsense:

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

 

But then again.....

As I said, very little, and absolutely nothing on how losing the single market would impact on business and the cost of living. Even less constructive information was forthcoming in the aired rhetoric.

I was trading with Europe before the single market and saw first hand the benefits it brought, but you are perfectly free to dismiss that as nonsense. Obviously the growth in small business exporting to Europe under the SM means very little.

 

It would appear that business has more chance of finding the "new red tape" in the sand than getting it from the government.

 

The committee heard that 250,000 UK exporters do not sell outside the EU and have no experience of the new red tape which will be required following Brexit. Of these, at least 40,000 have not yet applied for an EORI number, which is a basic requirement for them to keep exporting.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-lord-agnew-business-heads-sand-exports-b1013122.html

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Nothing; except when a small village becomes a giant park for 2000 lorries!

Such is life, same as Heathrow Airport being expanded, well they are talking about it. 

What about motorways, I can remember when there were none, now the country is full of them, in the process taking out many a small village.

 

Do you use these motorways that took out villages...?  ????

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

How do you work that last point out?

Because a minority of voters have complete and total control of parliament. 

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Says a poster who writes a banal and meaningless one line.

You probably don't understand because you haven't been following the Trump thread where he;s also been posting. Funny how trump supporters and Brexit supporters are often one and the same. Ficker than us or what?

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Except for the proof I provided!

 

Any response to my final point?  Namely even if he did just mean the WA, as he has now decided his WA is so vulnerable that he has to be able to renege upon it on a whim, it couldn't have been that 'oven ready' at all! 

You didn't provide any proof, because there isn't any, because the oven ready deal was the WA. Everybody knows this apart from you and phlubulubulub

 

And I already responded to the point about the Internal Market Bill. 

Just now, vogie said:

But you could always try and add to the topic instead of attacking posters though. But there again some folk have history at this sort of thing, don't they?

Yes.

You do.

54 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes.

You do.

 

if that is so,

 

he will be part of a rather large contingent,

"most" politicians have developed that property to almost perfection . . .

17 hours ago, Loiner said:

We frequently have the queues now and have done so for a long time. They are not caused by Brexit. The sky is not falling in. 

 

I ask again; what is it you don't understand about used in emergency situations?

 

The possibility of regular, routine, non emergency queues after 1/1/21 is a result of Brexit. If you have a problem with that, talk to the person warning hauliers of it: Michael Gove! 

 

Brexit: Queues in Kent could be 7,000 trucks long and last days, Gove warns

 

 

7 hours ago, transam said:

Such is life, same as Heathrow Airport being expanded, well they are talking about it. 

What about motorways, I can remember when there were none, now the country is full of them, in the process taking out many a small village.

 

Do you use these motorways that took out villages...?  ????

 

Not being a nimby, no I do not haver a problem with any of that per se. Although I am against the expansion of Heathrow and believe expanding Gatwick is a better option.

 

But my point is that these lorry parks would not be necessary were it not for Brexit.

 

If you have a problem with believing that, then you should join Loiner in taking it up with Michael Gove.

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You didn't provide any proof, because there isn't any, because the oven ready deal was the WA. Everybody knows this apart from you and phlubulubulub

 

And I already responded to the point about the Internal Market Bill. 

 If Boris' WA was as 'oven ready' as he said; if it were the personal triumph he proclaimed when he announced it; then there would be no need for this Internal Market Bill.

 

Boris is now telling us that there are loopholes in his WA which would allow the EU to screw us at some future point. If true, then his WA was not 'oven ready' and certainly should not have been signed!

 

So, was he lying to us last December and January; or merely incompetent?

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 If Boris' WA was as 'oven ready' as he said; if it were the personal triumph he proclaimed when he announced it; then there would be no need for this Internal Market Bill.

 

Boris is now telling us that there are loopholes in his WA which would allow the EU to screw us at some future point. If true, then his WA was not 'oven ready' and certainly should not have been signed!

 

So, was he lying to us last December and January; or merely incompetent?

He's both, alongside other defects.

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 If Boris' WA was as 'oven ready' as he said; if it were the personal triumph he proclaimed when he announced it; then there would be no need for this Internal Market Bill.

 

Boris is now telling us that there are loopholes in his WA which would allow the EU to screw us at some future point. If true, then his WA was not 'oven ready' and certainly should not have been signed!

 

So, was he lying to us last December and January; or merely incompetent?

It was oven ready. He had a plan to deal with the difficulty in the WA, and he's implemented it with the IMB. Job done. 

29 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was oven ready. He had a plan to deal with the difficulty in the WA, and he's implemented it with the IMB. Job done. 

Nonsense.  It was his deal.  If he is competent, then it should have been watertight from the outset.

 

PH

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

I ask again; what is it you don't understand about used in emergency situations?

 

The possibility of regular, routine, non emergency queues after 1/1/21 is a result of Brexit. If you have a problem with that, talk to the person warning hauliers of it: Michael Gove! 

 

Brexit: Queues in Kent could be 7,000 trucks long and last days, Gove warns

 

 

The lorry parks are already a necessity even though we were in the EU. Our French friends and trade partners (??) saw to that, making regular emergencies. 

If the truckers don’t have the correct paperwork they can use the parking our EU competitors have made permanently necessary. 

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Boris is now telling us that there are loopholes in his WA which would allow the EU to screw us at some future point. If true, then his WA was not 'oven ready' and certainly should not have been signed!

 

When dealing with Johnny Foreigner it's often the same: You think you have a deal then you find they are up to something else and double dealing through loopholes. Always trying to lie cheat and trick to get their own Euro and Remainer ways.

 

Good job Boris had the IMB ready to override their Third Country tricks. Now he should declare the WA over ready deal well and truly burned, as the EU were not negotiating in good faith.  

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was oven ready. He had a plan to deal with the difficulty in the WA, and he's implemented it with the IMB. Job done. 

 How could a WA which had a known 'difficulty' which required a  'plan to deal with' be 'oven ready?'

 

It's like a butcher saying "This turkey is oven ready; as long as you've got a plan to deal with it still being alive!"

54 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The lorry parks are already a necessity even though we were in the EU. Our French friends and trade partners (??) saw to that, making regular emergencies. 

 Really?

 

Tell us, by what mystical powers do they control the weather in the channel?

 

55 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If the truckers don’t have the correct paperwork they can use the parking our EU competitors have made permanently necessary. 

You better have a word with Michael Gove (you do know who he is?) as it is he who has issued the warnings about lengthy delays after 1/1/21; it is the government who are building the extra lorry parks they think could be necessary after 1/1/21.

 

After 1/1/21; nothing to do with the bad weather delays which occasionally necessitate Operation Stack. 

31 minutes ago, Loiner said:

When dealing with Johnny Foreigner it's often the same: You think you have a deal then you find they are up to something else and double dealing through loopholes. Always trying to lie cheat and trick to get their own Euro and Remainer ways.

 

Good job Boris had the IMB ready to override their Third Country tricks. Now he should declare the WA over ready deal well and truly burned, as the EU were not negotiating in good faith.  

 

So what 'Third Country tricks' has 'Johnny Foreigner' tried to pull, then?

 

What loopholes are there in the deal Boris proudly proclaimed as his own 'oven ready' deal?

 

It is Boris who now wants to double deal, cheat and trick via his IMB, not the EU!

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

The lorry parks are already a necessity even though we were in the EU. Our French friends and trade partners (??) saw to that, making regular emergencies. 

If the truckers don’t have the correct paperwork they can use the parking our EU competitors have made permanently necessary. 

Really?

So why are they building new lorry parks and telling everyone they need a permit to enter the Peoples Republic of Kent?

 

40 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Really?

 

Tell us, by what mystical powers do they control the weather in the channel?

 

You better have a word with Michael Gove (you do know who he is?) as it is he who has issued the warnings about lengthy delays after 1/1/21; it is the government who are building the extra lorry parks they think could be necessary after 1/1/21.

 

After 1/1/21; nothing to do with the bad weather delays which occasionally necessitate Operation Stack. 

Only last month - French Docker strikes

Earlier - French fishermen blockades. Expect lots more of those.............

Last year - French customs strikes

 

But there won't be delays due to Brexit, even the Calais Port boss says so.

39 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Really?

So why are they building new lorry parks and telling everyone they need a permit to enter the Peoples Republic of Kent?

 

They complained about the lorries delayed due to 49er's weather, so are making some parking. 
PRK is your Remainer invention, you bunch of Kents.

46 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

So what 'Third Country tricks' has 'Johnny Foreigner' tried to pull, then?

 

What loopholes are there in the deal Boris proudly proclaimed as his own 'oven ready' deal?

 

It is Boris who now wants to double deal, cheat and trick via his IMB, not the EU!

Did you miss their "You are not on the Third Country List" trick, or as a Remainer are you still trying to use it as a means to impose an EU food blockade and tariffs on Northern Island? 

Boris and his advisers had more foresight than you lot.

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Only last month - French Docker strikes

Earlier - French fishermen blockades. Expect lots more of those.............

Last year - French customs strikes

 Yes, those are temporary situations which can cause Operation Stack. As have strikes by English ferry workers.

 

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

But there won't be delays due to Brexit, even the Calais Port boss says so.

Odd that you of all people should prefer the word of a French official over Michael Gove; a leading Brexiteer and a member of Boris' cabinet!

 

BTW, why don't you provide links to your screenshots. Ashamed of the source?