EU, UK to step up Brexit talks to try to close 'significant gaps' over trade deal

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its the EU which is telling Johnson to compromise or leave with no deal.

The EU does not care about his 80 seat majority.  

Merkel is pleading with Boris not to cease the negotiations.

 

"Angela Merkel has called on Boris Johnson to keep negotiating over Brexit, saying the EU will need to compromise, ahead of a statement by the prime minister on whether he will walk out of the trade and security talks."

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/16/merkel-urges-johnson-not-to-abandon-brexit-negotiations

 

 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Merkel is pleading with Boris not to cease the negotiations.

 

"Angela Merkel has called on Boris Johnson to keep negotiating over Brexit, saying the EU will need to compromise, ahead of a statement by the prime minister on whether he will walk out of the trade and security talks."

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/16/merkel-urges-johnson-not-to-abandon-brexit-negotiations

 

 

Merkel being diplomatic and trying to avert the already touted cry of "Its all the EU's fault" you Brexiteers are going to champion.

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Is that it? Really?

 

The EU and UK agreed the sequence in which the withdrawal process would take place. The process for withdrawing from the European Union

 

You said, yourself, that this does not exist in any EU treaty; so that process had to be agreed before anything else!

 

 

 

The process was demanded by the EU and of course the weak May, as a remainer, accepted it. This initial agreement was necessary before anything else could happen (according to the EU). All part of the EU's "phased approach", which the UK should never have agreed to. Typical and pathetic. 

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Merkel is pleading with Boris not to cease the negotiations.

 

"Angela Merkel has called on Boris Johnson to keep negotiating over Brexit, saying the EU will need to compromise, ahead of a statement by the prime minister on whether he will walk out of the trade and security talks."

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/16/merkel-urges-johnson-not-to-abandon-brexit-negotiations

 

 

 

funny this, two comments;

 

1 --- Merkel seems to agree with me, still plenty of time left to hack a deal if fancied. Good on you Fritz.

 

2 --- English speaking cods seem to have taken an undeserved front seat when discussing the trading future

        of a pizza and Hot Dog eating nation. Had it been trout or salmon, but cod . . . .

 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

It proves that "good faith" has not been much of a consideration to EU negotiators.

It proves nothing of the sort. It is simply a negotiator discussing ways in which they might exploit s perceived advantage.

 

Notwithstanding my previous comment re Barnier reporting to - and taking direction from - the Council of Ministers, don't you think that the RoI would have objected to anything that put the 'Good Friday' agreement at risk?

[RayC]

20 hours ago, Loiner said:

Mother Theresa was one of them. 

I think that Mother Theresa was Albanian?

[RayC]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

The process was demanded by the EU and of course the weak May, as a remainer, accepted it. This initial agreement was necessary before anything else could happen (according to the EU). All part of the EU's "phased approach", which the UK should never have agreed to. Typical and pathetic. 

We have found an area where we agree. However, none of what you say is a justification for Johnson to unilaterally rip up any agreements.

[3NUMBAS]

theyre taking the pi55 ....bojo is telling them to get stuffed

 

Breaking

Brexit: Boris Johnson says it's time to 'get ready' for no trade deal with EU

The PM says "there doesn't seem to be any progress coming from Brussels", but leaders there say talks will continue next week.

By Aubrey Allegretti, political reporterhttps://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-says-its-time-to-get-ready-to-prepare-for-no-deal-with-eu-12105527

[3NUMBAS]

Farage rages after violent French attack against UK boats - 'This is WHY fishing matters!'

BREXITEERS like Nigel Farage have reacted with outrage after French fishing vessels were filmed attacking British boats this week, just as a key Brexit deadline approaches.

By Oli Smith

PUBLISHED: 14:49, Thu, Oct 15, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:50, Thu, Oct 15, 2020

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348120/Brexit-latest-news-Nigel-Farage-fisheries-Emmanuel-Macron-France-fishing-vn

[melvinmelvin]

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Farage rages after violent French attack against UK boats - 'This is WHY fishing matters!'

BREXITEERS like Nigel Farage have reacted with outrage after French fishing vessels were filmed attacking British boats this week, just as a key Brexit deadline approaches.

By Oli Smith

PUBLISHED: 14:49, Thu, Oct 15, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:50, Thu, Oct 15, 2020

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348120/Brexit-latest-news-Nigel-Farage-fisheries-Emmanuel-Macron-France-fishing-vn

 

seems Farage is missing the limelight

 

the French shows some modesty, not like UK when using men of war to attack Icelandic fishing boats

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Merkel is pleading with Boris not to cease the negotiations.

Too bad you’re negotiating with the EU for a trade agreement with the EU, not with Germany for a trade agreement with Germany. 

 

[Scott]

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[luckyluke]

"Trade talks are over" says Mr. Johnson. 

 

What could he do? 

Another ultimatum, and then another... 

 

We the people in Europe, and the people in the U.K., will now have to see the outcome. 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

I think that Mother Theresa was Albanian?

I think it was Lincolnshire, actually.

[welovesundaysatspace]

53 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

"Trade talks are over" says Mr. Johnson. 

Frost and Barnier meeting next week must be for watching football then. 
 

No, the negotiations continue, and they will continue forever, and Boris backpedaled again and it won’t be the last time he backpedaled. He’s a clown, and clowns are bad at bluffing. 

 

[luckyluke]

23 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

No, the negotiations continue

I am puzzled! 

Who decide in the U.K. if the negotations goes on or not? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I am puzzled! 

Who decide in the U.K. if the negotations goes on or not? 

Boris (unless Frost is on auto-pilot) 

[luckyluke]

11 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Boris (unless Frost is on auto-pilot) 

Too complicated for me. 

I will wait & see. 

[polpott]

9 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

the French shows some modesty, not like UK when using men of war to attack Icelandic fishing boats

It was the other way round but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I am puzzled! 

Who decide in the U.K. if the negotations goes on or not? 

Jimmy clitheroe

[luckyluke]

37 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Jimmy clitheroe

I had to Google the name.

This man is dead since 1973!

I assume this is a kind of humor only Britons find hilarious.

[Phulublub]

8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I had to Google the name.

This man is dead since 1973!

I assume this is a kind of humor only Britons find hilarious.

Not hilarious; not even mildly amusing.  But look back through recent posts and you will find those who have no real substance to their stance are increasingly reverting to the "pithy" one-liners. 

 

Only a couple of steps up from personal insults, then threats...but that is often the way when losing the substantive argument.

 

PH

[melvinmelvin]

7 hours ago, polpott said:

It was the other way round but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

yes, Pol Pot would say, ain't us chasing the plebs, it is the plebs that are threatening the government

 

fyi, Iceland didna have any men of war, not a single one

[polpott]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

yes, Pol Pot would say, ain't us chasing the plebs, it is the plebs that are threatening the government

 

fyi, Iceland didna have any men of war, not a single one

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-were-cod-wars

 

 “the second Cod War denigrated into dodgem cars on the high seas.” Trawlers and Coast Guard vessels were ramming into each other, in attempts to prevent or incur trawl cable cutting. Britain’s NATO commitments made them unable, legally, to call on the Navy for support. Vessels were damaged, but, incredibly, no one was hurt.

[nauseus]

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

I think it was Lincolnshire, actually.

Oh, sorry, that was Margaret Thatcher. Oopsy!

[RayC]

7 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I had to Google the name.

This man is dead since 1973!

I assume this is a kind of humor only Britons find hilarious.

You should have replaced the word 'only' with 'some'.

[kingdong]

10 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Not hilarious; not even mildly amusing.  But look back through recent posts and you will find those who have no real substance to their stance are increasingly reverting to the "pithy" one-liners. 

 

Only a couple of steps up from personal insults, then threats...but that is often the way when losing the substantive argument.

 

PH

stone me it was intended as a witty one liner,i didn,t expect a spanish inquisition.

[bannork]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

stone me it was intended as a witty one liner,i didn,t expect a spanish inquisition.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, especially the Clitheroe Kid. I remember his radio comedy, pretty <deleted>, but then I'm from the other side of Pennines.

Radio is great, you hear the voices and imagine the rest.

'Just a Minute', what a brilliant show that was. 

 

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, especially the Clitheroe Kid. I remember his radio comedy, pretty <deleted>, but then I'm from the other side of Pennines.

Radio is great, you hear the voices and imagine the rest.

'Just a Minute', what a brilliant show that was. 

 

showing your age if you remember the clitheroe kid,jimmy was an inspiration to us all and his legend will never die.

[7by7]

Things have moved on a lot since I was last here; so I'l just quickly deal with this.

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Examples that spring to mind Barnier and Verhofstadt's despicable comments in the Brexit: Behind Closed Doors documentary.  Showing contempt and mocking the UK negotiating team, using delaying (or attrition) tactics in the hope the British public would tire of the delays. Verhofstadt's gleeful "they are stuck" comment. 

 

At the first full steering committee meeting we see them celebrating and toasting their conclusion that the UK is stuck with them; and will be paying contributions for another 5 years. 

 How are comments made in full view of documentary cameras deceitful?

 

But as the remarks to which you take such great exception were about May's team and her proposals, I'd have thought that you should be agreeing with them!

 

You cannot tell me that the UK team, May's and Johnson's haven't made similar comments. We just never saw or heard them because the UK team weren't being filmed.

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

The EU banned senior Irish customs officials from holding any meaningful discussions or negotiations with the UK over new border arrangements. The EU needed the Irish border to remain a big issue (a stick to beat us with), and the Irish government were happy enough to play ball because of their desire for a united Ireland. 

 

Unsurprisingly, as the RoI is in the EU customs union then any and all customs arrangements with non EU members is a matter not just for the Roi and UK but also for the EU. You will find the same wherever the EU has a land border with a non member.

 

Two attempts at maintaining the integrity of the customs union and the Good Friday agreement have been proposed. May's protocol; rejected by Brexiteers as BRINO, and Johnson's customs border down the Irish Sea. Of course, whether his lauding of that as his marvellous idea was incompetence or lies by him is debatable; but it  has to be one or the other.

 

Whether or not officials from the BIRC and HMRC were actively prevented from talking to each other is speculative at best. Facts4EU.org claim they have evidence; but it's mainly hearsay.

 

That the government of the RoI want a united Ireland is no secret. But the Irish constitution was amended to say that such would only happen with the consent of the population of Northern Ireland.

 

Of course, as the Province voted Remain in 2016 there is a growing feeling there that joining the Republic in the EU is better than remaining in the UK outside of it. From The Express 24/2/2020: End of UK? Shock poll reveals Northern Ireland could QUIT Union amid reunification surge

Quote

The shock poll indicated surging support for a unified Ireland after Brexit, which saw Northern Ireland vote 55.8 percent in favour of remaining in the EU. The poll found if a border vote was held in Northern Ireland, 45.4 per cent said they would vote for a united Ireland

Johnsons' shenanigans over the WA and IMB have only strengthened this. 

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Barnier is on tape saying: "There is a tactical reason to use Ireland for future negotiations. Isolating Ireland and not closing this point. Leaving it open for the next 2 or 3 years, and this will give us permanent pressure for trade negotiations etc."

 

Didn't say that the EU team were perfect; but he did say this in public, so again it's hardly deceit!

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Playing with the fears and emotions of the Irish people to achieve their goal. Disgusting. 

Agree; but it's exactly what Johnson and Cummings have done!

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

This was just at the beginning. Just a taster for you.

 

On 10/15/2020 at 2:25 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, you need someone with a bit of ingenuity and trickery when up against the EU shysters. Anyone playing with a straight bat (e.g. Theresa May) would be eaten alive. 

You praise Johnson and Cummings for their 'ingenuity and trickery' yet condemn the EU for doing the same.

 

Rather hypocritical of you.