DDC watching closely after saliva test of some travellers from Thailand Covid-19 positive at Japanese airport

[faraday]

19 minutes ago, Docno said:

"88% chance off [sic] a false negative"? Do you know what that even means? And if you happen to, do you really believe it or are you just pulling the first set of numbers that you get from your head (or other body part)? What is your source? 

Read this for a better understanding.

 

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2020/05/18/13/42/variation-in-false-negative-rate-of-reverse

 

Conclusions:

The false-negative rate for SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR testing is highly variable: highest within the first 5 days after exposure (up to 67%), and lowest on day 8 after exposure (21%).

 

 

[tomauasia]

As l said day 1 there numbers are all fake just like the election vote count 2 for me 1 for you. The land of lies. It stems right through to there woman.

[Sydebolle]

The Japanese are lying through their teeth too; how dare they insult Thailand's meticulous methods in keeping the Corona virus out of the country .......... 

[Truth Will Set You Free]

Here we go again.......Pointing fingers just to start chaos.  There is no new cases here in Thailand that the public is aware of.  Thaivisa, where did you get this information from? 

[NanLaew]

19 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

More proof of the BS lies from here, a.k.a. "Thailand no have Covid".

If you test more, you will find a lot more, although probably mild infections, posing minimal threat to anyone, including the one infected. 

How can you possibly make a Thai bash out of the Japanese health authorities using a C-19 test that isn't even recognized by the WHO as being standard?

 

Oh, that's right. Loads of practice.

[malthebluff]

19 hours ago, keith101 said:

 

You obviously didnt read those facts .

 

And in other news reports some were positive. But with very little testing done in Thailand the maths will never add up 

[Fairynuff]

I’m just waiting for trump's cure to arrive here

[CGW]

1 hour ago, Docno said:

"88% chance off [sic] a false negative"? Do you know what that even means? And if you happen to, do you really believe it or are you just pulling the first set of numbers that you get from your head (or other body part)? What is your source? 

have you ever heard of "search" engines?

[Fairynuff]

20 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

More proof of the BS lies from here, a.k.a. "Thailand no have Covid".

If you test more, you will find a lot more, although probably mild infections, posing minimal threat to anyone, including the one infected. 

Some people just don’t want Thailand to succeed at all and therefore don’t believe anything l

[connda]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Group 1 had eight cases, detected from August 1 to September 21. They included two Japanese men, seven Thai men and one Thai woman. They were later taken to hospitals for testing with the RT-PCR method to look for the genetic material of the Sars-Cov-2 virus. The laboratory results of all eight cases were negative.

CLEIA (Chemiluminescent enzyme immunoassay) is an antibody test which checks to see if someone has been exposed to a virus and has developed antibodies to the virus.
PRC check current virus DNA fragments in the body.

So in Japan, if you pop on a CLEIA antibody test, they then subject you to a PRC test to see if you currently have active virus DNA.

What the article relates is that even though there are numerous cases of positive antibody test without the subject actually having a current viral infection.  Which means?  It seems a these people were exposed to SARS-Cov-2 while in Thailand, developed antibodies with either mild or no symptoms, beat the virus - in the past weeks or months - and then popped when given the CLEIA antibody test in Japan.

Given the lack of testing and the reluctance to test, my guess is that a significant percentage of the population has been exposed, probably back in April and May.  In the last 6 months most people I know have had upper respiratory infections.  Which makes me believe that most have been exposed.  But unlike the West, it's completely downplayed here.  It's just treated as a cold or seasonal flu.  A few people die - tragic, but it happens every flu season.  There is no "Cases, Cases, Cases" hype here, so the country rests on it's laurels about having been Covid-Free.  
That I seriously doubt.  SARS-Cov-2 probably has already passed though the country and most of us have "herd-immunity." 
Will there be a dreaded Second Wave?  Probably as the virus will mutate like all seasonal flu viruses do.  So, a second wave, third wave, ad-infinitum as SARS-Cov-2 becomes another seasonal flu.
But, the power elites inclined towards totalitarianism will not doubt insist on "locking-down" their populations and destroying their economies until a vaccine comes out with a 50% efficiency - which is not a freaking "cure."  But it will make pharmaceutical companies billions as world governments and corporations flirt with classical Fascism. 

[CGW]

6 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

I’m just waiting for trump's cure to arrive here

Why's that? do you think the that the media will allow natural cures and the fact we have immune systems become common knowledge, they are driving a vaccine agenda, not natural cures - technocracy rules 

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Are covid hospital admissions in Thailand rising at the same rate as they are in the west?

Simple yes or no, without the BS.

No BS, your hilarious if you think that just because the hospitals are not overrun with patients and people are not dying that Covid is non-existent here.  Time to think outside of the box.

Edited October 10, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[PEE TEE]

It would be really good to know the truth on this covid 19 world wide all the figures the media provide ,how can we know its accurate we can't.  what is the truth on the numbers in Thailand no one knows . it's about time we did not see any news or reports as the more we get the more scared we get. i believe the media does this on purpose. it could be the case that governments want to have a dictatorship  at the cost of the economy. If covid is that bad then i could be that they want to reduce the world population ? any thoughts ?

[craigieboy1973]

Thailand doesn't test do no cases if no cases then nothing yo report.....

[Mywayboy]

Great way to have no Covid19 ,just don't test anyone .Thailand have found the solution & the way to keep figures at ZERO LOL

[The Theory]

You need to be very careful after handing over your passport to an immigration officer. Those officers wearing gloves and touch hundreds of passports everyday. They could be a source of infection from one to other travelers. The problem is there is no alcohol dispenser at that point, for officers yes but not for arrivals or departures. 

[CGW]

22 minutes ago, Mywayboy said:

Great way to have no Covid19 ,just don't test anyone .Thailand have found the solution & the way to keep figures at ZERO LOL

Care to explain what you consider 'no covid" to consist off?

Are you talking about "cases" that test positive with a PCR test, people that are asymptomatic and are positive, or is your reference to people that are genuinely sick and hospitalised, or is it all the same to you but a good opportunity to have a dig at Thailand? LOL

[Tchooptip]

Hopefully this soon-to-be-released vaccine, we're told, will be more reliable than their tests, which from this article seem unreliable to say the least. On the departure of the plane leaving from Thailand, everyone has necessarily been tested, on arrival some are positive! What would the explanation be?

[Fex Bluse]

6 hours ago, realfunster said:

It does help to read the article, although you are not the only one jumping on the confirmation bias bandwagon.

 

For those with a low attention span :

- 15 people tested positive with a new test, not recommended by WHO.

Everyone was retested using the RT-PCR method:

- 10 negative (plus nothing detected in 49 close contacts)

- 5 awaiting results.

 

I’m afraid there is no Thai CoVID smoking gun, as yet,  based on this report. 

What use is reading if the reader does not do so critically and believes everything written? 

 

I'm proud of you all for reading, but I encourage you to take the next step: thinking. 

 

Paraphrasing - "not recommended by WHO. Would that be the same WHO that allowed China to lead the world astray getting us into this catastrophic mess? Ok. 

 

" (plus nothing detected in 49 close contacts) " says who? Same folks who, when foreigners are murdered and otherwise treated poorly, regularly issue statements reflecting their concern for money and the "image of Thai tourism" above all else? Ok. 

 

Read critically. Think critically. ✌️

[DavisH]

23 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

More proof of the BS lies from here, a.k.a. "Thailand no have Covid".

If you test more, you will find a lot more, although probably mild infections, posing minimal threat to anyone, including the one infected. 

Can you read? Follow-up pcr tests were negative. These saliva tests are giving false positives. 

[CGW]

24 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Can you read? Follow-up pcr tests were negative. These saliva tests are giving false positives. 

Here's an idea, the rest of the world should follow Thailand's fine example and stop the "testing" then all the "cases" that are being reported would disappear, then hey presto! back to the "old norm"

I'm dreaming - I know! too much money and the opportunity to further en slave the masses would be gone, the reset would have to reset ???? 

[CGW]

23 hours ago, Anna Rak said:

(NO TEST, NO HAVE) ???? LOS!!!

 Again, no have what? a positive test based on a dubious testing? are the streets in Thailand over flowing with the dead and dying, hospitals have no cases? do you not think maybe you are caught up in the MSM "agenda" & repeating the brainless narrative ???? 

[NoComment]

Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, China all have Covid, along with the rest of the world.

Thailand must be doing something correctly.

Congratulations to Thailand.

Maybe the Thai example should be copied Worldwide and then there would be no reason for a vaccine.

 

[CGW]

6 minutes ago, NoComment said:

Maybe the Thai example should be copied Worldwide and then there would be no reason for a vaccine.

Are you single handily trying to ruin an agenda that has been years in the making!

You will be expecting people to see through the B$ next and think for themselves! 

[chainarong]

On 10/9/2020 at 4:23 PM, Thaiwrath said:

More proof of the BS lies from here, a.k.a. "Thailand no have Covid".

If you test more, you will find a lot more, although probably mild infections, posing minimal threat to anyone, including the one infected. 

Thailand should be at least testing 50 thousand  a week.

[jerolamo]

So there is 2 main arguments there in opposition (but they should not be):

1/ COVID test (any of them) can show false positive

2/ Thailand doesn't test enough and can not, seriously, know how many people are contaminated by COVID (they do not test people die too...).

 

These 2 arguments are correct and are not in contradiction, they exist together in the real life. The fact that some people are thinking they can be (these arguments) in contradiction and they have to defend each respective position is a proof they should, in real facts, find an other position that can justify the re

[Starmocihc]

Fortunately for Thailand, with the abundance of Chinese tourist groups in and out by the thousands, the wu-flu had already went through the population long ago and mutated to a way milder version than it started out as. Thailand not testing heaps of asymptomatic people was way smarter than the west's approach. 

[jerolamo]

So there is 2 main arguments there in opposition (but they should not be):

1/ COVID test (any of them) can show false positive

2/ Thailand doesn't test enough and can not, seriously, know how many people are contaminated by COVID (they do not test people die too...).

 

These 2 arguments are correct and are not in contradiction, they exist together in the real life. The fact that some people are thinking they can be (these arguments) in contradiction and they have to defend each respective position is a proof they should, in real facts, find an other position that can justify the real fact they want it to exist.

 

I don't want to judge intentions, but the Thailand politic situation increase an idea that government did enough to find no opposition when first minister want something to apply. Next step should be violencies and terror if enforce the full power authority imposed by 2 coups (correct ?).

 

Now we get an other one argument: no possible opposition can exist around the table.

So even if the logic demonstrate that there is not enough test to seriously confirm the very low number of infected cases, even if the statistic show clearly something impossible is happening there and in every other countries where no test or not enough exist, even if wrong positive tests does exist a lot, even if less than 3% of infected cases can die (and lower and lower each month), they decide to: maintain the fear with COVID and never mind the suicide of poor people, never mind the fall down of economy, they did it deeper.

 

Why the Thai doctor you hear in TV show propagate the fear ?

Do an other doctor who contradict this one would, in this fear of full powered government by coups, would be authorized to speak without be in danger ? answer this question is enough to understand.

 

But some other question still can be ask: Do this doctor (and some very important people in power) of fear have an interest with the industry who made the vaccine ?

 

Why people use arguments of wrong positive tests ?

Because first, they do exist for really, and there is a lot. Because also, they choose to look at the way they want and it is a good real argument to defend an idea of the reality. But it is not enough to convince because of the interest conflicts and the government situation (impose himself by 2 successive coups and dilute his opposition = no democracy lovers there, no respect of opposition of ideas at all).

 

And why no one around this kind of full powered people tell them the reality they don't want to ear about ?

Because we now know the human history and the consequence to contradict dictators: to die, and sometime also our own family should be in danger.

We now get also a point of individual human in this full powered situation to become a dictator: there is a mental illness syndrome named "Hurbis syndrome" (https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/132/5/1396/354862). And because of this syndrome who can be dangerous for other around, people stay in fear of this kind of power and will never talk about the true to save their own life and to get some favors from the powerful dictator.

 

Also, in the world, there is a system who deny any ideology, named: capitalism (or simply: "free market"). This one build 55 fiscal paradises, build his power first on illegal market (drug, slaves, weapons) and was the first to make international business wildly. This system is so crazy and get so much power in all world wide institutions (because of corruption and influences), that it does collapse by its own stupidity and non-existent concept of society point of view morality or Justice.

I don't know by facts, but i said it is possible that this COVID world wide fear control by each government can be in relation with the world wide economy statement of this new age level zero morality ideology.

May it be possible ?

Analyze of numbers show that this COVID should not push enough each country governors to propagate the fear as it is and close the economy. So...

[jerolamo]

2 hours ago, The Theory said:

You need to be very careful after handing over your passport to an immigration officer. Those officers wearing gloves and touch hundreds of passports everyday. They could be a source of infection from one to other travelers. The problem is there is no alcohol dispenser at that point, for officers yes but not for arrivals or departures. 

You should change your user name by "An other one NEW theory".

But what you said is true.

In fact, this COVID is widely spread all over the world and did cross already all the foreign borders of China to USA deeply.

Just some countries no have enough power/money to test more, some other are dictatorship, but facts remain the same when calculus statistic with numbers: COVID doesn't kill enough the way we can speak about an epidemic problem.

The real fact is that it does propagate himself quickly and is used as a pretext to propagate fear and shut down economy move for any reason it is forbidden to speak about and we can not access (and who should be much more disruptive to control any population from huge agitation).

I don't want to choose to think that they are totally silly and stupid, because i have high opinion of aptitudes to get some position in authority (but i don't know, it is a choice to think "good", i really don't know the reality there), even if what they are doing, i think, is stupid actually, i want to think about there is something in the background i don't know and they don't want to share.

[tomauasia]

13 minutes ago, jerolamo said:

So there is 2 main arguments there in opposition (but they should not be):

1/ COVID test (any of them) can show false positive

2/ Thailand doesn't test enough and can not, seriously, know how many people are contaminated by COVID (they do not test people die too...).

 

These 2 arguments are correct and are not in contradiction, they exist together in the real life. The fact that some people are thinking they can be (these arguments) in contradiction and they have to defend each respective position is a proof they should, in real facts, find an other position that can justify the real fact they want it to exist.

 

I don't want to judge intentions, but the Thailand politic situation increase an idea that government did enough to find no opposition when first minister want something to apply. Next step should be violencies and terror if enforce the full power authority imposed by 2 coups (correct ?).

 

Now we get an other one argument: no possible opposition can exist around the table.

So even if the logic demonstrate that there is not enough test to seriously confirm the very low number of infected cases, even if the statistic show clearly something impossible is happening there and in every other countries where no test or not enough exist, even if wrong positive tests does exist a lot, even if less than 3% of infected cases can die (and lower and lower each month), they decide to: maintain the fear with COVID and never mind the suicide of poor people, never mind the fall down of economy, they did it deeper.

 

Why the Thai doctor you hear in TV show propagate the fear ?

Do an other doctor who contradict this one would, in this fear of full powered government by coups, would be authorized to speak without be in danger ? answer this question is enough to understand.

 

But some other question still can be ask: Do this doctor (and some very important people in power) of fear have an interest with the industry who made the vaccine ?

 

Why people use arguments of wrong positive tests ?

Because first, they do exist for really, and there is a lot. Because also, they choose to look at the way they want and it is a good real argument to defend an idea of the reality. But it is not enough to convince because of the interest conflicts and the government situation (impose himself by 2 successive coups and dilute his opposition = no democracy lovers there, no respect of opposition of ideas at all).

 

And why no one around this kind of full powered people tell them the reality they don't want to ear about ?

Because we now know the human history and the consequence to contradict dictators: to die, and sometime also our own family should be in danger.

We now get also a point of individual human in this full powered situation to become a dictator: there is a mental illness syndrome named "Hurbis syndrome" (https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/132/5/1396/354862). And because of this syndrome who can be dangerous for other around, people stay in fear of this kind of power and will never talk about the true to save their own life and to get some favors from the powerful dictator.

 

Also, in the world, there is a system who deny any ideology, named: capitalism (or simply: "free market"). This one build 55 fiscal paradises, build his power first on illegal market (drug, slaves, weapons) and was the first to make international business wildly. This system is so crazy and get so much power in all world wide institutions (because of corruption and influences), that it does collapse by its own stupidity and non-existent concept of society point of view morality or Justice.

I don't know by facts, but i said it is possible that this COVID world wide fear control by each government can be in relation with the world wide economy statement of this new age level zero morality ideology.

May it be possible ?

Analyze of numbers show that this COVID should not push enough each country governors to propagate the fear as it is and close the economy. So...

Listen enough now. There are no prostitutes in Thailand and no COVID.

Edited October 10, 2020 by tomauasia