polpott Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Word of warning. Having the vaccine doesn't guarantee that you are fully immune. I have had a course of vaccines for Hep B twice now and the follow up antibody test has revealed that I'm still not adequately covered. I would think that a certificate for positive Covid antibodies will be the gold standard for travellers, not just the certificate to say you have had the vaccine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, polpott said: Nope. First in line are the particularly vulnerable, followed by frontline workers followed by the over 50s. The UK government has already published priorities. 1.Frontline workers followed by over 80s and those with comorbidities then lowering the qualifying age 5 years at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 34 minutes ago, Strongheart said: In order to produce a vaccine one first has to isolate (purify) a virus. COVID-19 has never been isolated yet. This fact makes its very existence questionable. Stop drinking the Look-Aid, people. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-covid-19-virus-isolate-canada-scientists-mutations-strains-a9399226.html Many other articles as well. You need to do some research. Without isolating the virus then they could not have even started to work on a vaccine. But then maybe you believe Covid is a hoax as well as the rest of those Tin foil hat wearers. https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020 You must have read this and believed it completely https://crazzfiles.com/covid-the-virus-that-isnt-there-the-root-fraud-exposed/ Not truly worth the read as it is one of the many fake news articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Do we even know if this vaccine (or any other vaccine against Covid, for that matter) actually WORKS? Being able to produce and distribute it at scale is all very well, but unless I've missed something, none of the vaccines in development have been proven to be "effective enough" yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancho Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Astra Zenica has stopped fast track studies due to 2 patients developing serious neurological symptoms, presenting as MS multiple sclerosis. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, polpott said: Word of warning. Having the vaccine doesn't guarantee that you are fully immune. I have had a course of vaccines for Hep B twice now and the follow up antibody test has revealed that I'm still not adequately covered. I would think that a certificate for positive Covid antibodies will be the gold standard for travellers, not just the certificate to say you have had the vaccine. I assume it's just like the regular flu vaccine. Not all develop anti bodies and one vaccine does not guarantee protection against all types/strains of flu. Normally i never get the yearly flu vaccine, but this year I will, just so that I have a smaller risk of getting flu in case I get covid 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipper Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Well well who'd have guessed................???? Must blame Reuters for that then ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Pancho said: Astra Zenica has stopped fast track studies due to 2 patients developing serious neurological symptoms, presenting as MS multiple sclerosis. ONE patient developed transverse myelitis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetops Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lemonltr said: ONE patient developed transverse myelitis. The first stop/start was due to a participant having previously undiagnosed MS, so allegedly "unrelated to the Covid-19 vaccine" according to this report. The second was as you say. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/comment/azd1222-covid-vaccine-trials-astrazeneca/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, Caldera said: Do we even know if this vaccine (or any other vaccine against Covid, for that matter) actually WORKS? Being able to produce and distribute it at scale is all very well, but unless I've missed something, none of the vaccines in development have been proven to be "effective enough" yet. What do you think the large scale trials are for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, mr mr said: what does a cement company have to do with a pharma company making vaccines ? They are a well connected company, with many diverse activities, and have considerable influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR1888 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Ive been PCR tested every time I go to work offshore for the last 6 months and have also had the antibodies test that showed I’d caught the virus at some point, even though I’ve no idea when that was. For me to ever go back to Thailand, it’s highly likely that its going to be mandatory for me to take a fast tracked potentially unsafe vaccine to protect me against a virus that does me no harm whatsoever When I visit Pattaya, the virus does concern me slightly, but it’s not Covid I’m worried about catching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojothai Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, vandeventer said: Reuters) - Thailand has agreed to manufacture and supply AstraZeneca Plc's experimental COVID-19 vaccine in the southeast Asian country and other nations in the region, the British and Thai governments said on Monday. Hang on, did you say EXPERIMENRAL VACCINE? At least try it on rats before you give it to us! Have to assume they must have given it to Trump if he is now saying he is immune. Is that any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The US based Johnson and Johnson trials for their vaccine have just been put on hold. Hopefully the trials done by others won't hit similar snags. However, when you rush something instead of slowly producing it there are these issue's https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/12/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-study-paused-due-to-unexplained-illness-in-participant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoComment Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Excellent news for Thai working people. In theory should be excellent for the economy of The Kingdom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Thailand partnering with AstraZeneca makes sound commercial sense. It will give AstraZeneca unparalleled access to Thailand's network of informal specialised pharmacies which pop up on folding card tables every evening in assorted night bazaars and tourist venues. Might deal a bit of a blow to the manufacturers of fake packaging and dodgy little blue pills though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razek Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 England has new mouse to test it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, steelepulse said: Looks like the US is on track to have the same number of deaths as years past, so maybe there is something about only 6% of the people are dying from covid, while 94% have multiple comorbidities. 2017 Total Deaths US: 2,813,503 (234,000/month) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db328.htm???? 2018 Total Deaths US: 2,839,205 (237,000/month) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm???? 2019 Total Deaths US: 2,855,000 (238,000/month) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm???? 2020 Total Deaths US (jan - week 9/26): 2,130,000 (236,000/month) https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6???? 2,130,000 + (236,000/month x 3) [Oct, Nov, Dec] = 2,838,000 [assumption based on monthly avg] 2020: 2,838,000 Actually, it's a 20% increase: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771761 Between March 1 and August 1, 2020, 1 336 561 deaths occurred in the US, a 20% increase over expected deaths (1 111 031 [95% CI, 1 110 364 to 1 111 697]). The 10 states with the highest per capita rate of excess deaths were New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Arizona, Mississippi, Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, and Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Sonyboy said: It takes decades for other vaccines, seems very strange this one has been 'knocked up' in such a quick time, methinks it's Bill G and wife's vaccine, they have been experimenting for decades with their one, many deaths many sick adults and paralysed children left behind. BS. You need a better site for your news. There are many reasons the jab is going along nicely. Easy to Google this to find credible websites that explain it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 At least it's not mRNA, however, make me wonder how many Thais and expats will become the long-term lab rats for the "experimental vaccine?" If I remember right, AZ had to pause their trails recently. One of the lab rats volunteer had an extreme adverse reaction. "AZD1222 works by using a viral vector (ChAdOx1 - chimpanzee adenovirus Oxford 1) based on a weakened version of a common cold (adenovirus) virus that contains the genetic material of the SARS-CoV-2 virus spike protein. After vaccination, the surface spike protein is produced, priming the immune system to attack the virus if it later infects the body, protecting it against COVID-19." AZ and Moderna. Big money being made here. Huge. Money loves a captive audience. And as the governments of the world embrace quasi-totalitarian corporatism, the whole world becomes the capitalist's oyster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Some troll posts and replies have been removed. A post with a link to a non-existent site has been removed as well as the removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunque Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said: But must have health insurance to cover side effects or if the vaccine gives you Covid Why not just go to the US and get the treatment Trump got - after all, he's immune now. I believe a 4 day stay in hospital and all the necessary treatment and medications will set you back $750..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 18 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Thailand has agreed to manufacture and supply AstraZeneca Plc's experimental COVID-19 vaccine in the southeast Asian country and other nations in the region This implies Thailand will set up manufacturing facilities for the vaccine in other countries within South East Asia. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said: Thailand partnering with AstraZeneca makes sound commercial sense. It will give AstraZeneca unparalleled access to Thailand's network of informal specialised pharmacies which pop up on folding card tables every evening in assorted night bazaars and tourist venues. In the end, it was just a matter of time before the world learned to embrace Mussolini's economic model as it works so well. The state and corporations locked in an economic embrace to usher in a new age of mankind. What was that model called again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, mr mr said: what does a cement company have to do with a pharma company making vaccines ? Overshoes for the failures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceN Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 16 hours ago, Blumpie said: What ever happened to the Thai's vaccine that they were so proud of? Oh let me guess, it never got off the ground. Go figure. Thai scientists, faculty at Mahidol University to be precise, were involved in the development of this exact vaccine, in collaboration with Oxford University, which is mentioned in the OP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alidiver Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 hours ago, vandeventer said: Reuters) - Thailand has agreed to manufacture and supply AstraZeneca Plc's experimental COVID-19 vaccine in the southeast Asian country and other nations in the region, the British and Thai governments said on Monday. Hang on, did you say EXPERIMENRAL VACCINE? At least try it on rats before you give it to us! The drug is going through due process and is in its last stage of experimentation on humans before being released, although Trump had shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, connda said: In the end, it was just a matter of time before the world learned to embrace Mussolini's economic model as it works so well. The state and corporations locked in an economic embrace to usher in a new age of mankind. What was that model called again? Unsure about what you meant in your response I googled and read "The Economic Leadership Secrets of Benito Mussolini" By Jim Powell, published in Forbes Magazine in 2012. I'm afraid that I can see absolutely no connection between the model of "Economic Fascism" which it described and my somewhat tongue in cheek comment! Edited October 13, 2020 by herfiehandbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibukid Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 will this be mandatory for all Thai's and expats seeking extensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On the face of it this is very good news for Thailand, but like all things in Thailand, probably not what it seems. So just where is this vaccine supposed to be made? There is the GPO factory in Saraburi which was planned in 2007 supposed to open in 2013, but delayed until 2017 and is capable of producing 2 million doses of vaccine per year. So if that is the govt plan, then it is going to take quite a while to vaccinate even half the population. Wonder who will be first in line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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