Trump slams Facebook, Twitter for taking down Biden story in NY Post

[Damual Travesty]

Just now, heybruce said:

Which ignores my question about the conclusions of the investigation. 

 

Like many Trump fans, you will optimistically assume that investigations targeting Democrats prove guilt, while investigations targeting Trump prove conspiracies.

I am not a "Trump fan". I am an American Citizen, 62 years old, Retired US Navy, and I have voted for both parties in my lifetime. I am a conservative.

 

I have seen many political scandals and followed them all closely and have never seen one as serious as this, unless you count the entire scandal to remove the President from office. That one is every bit as big.

 

I am deeply concerned about the activities of Joe and Hunter Biden, have been able to see the obvious issue ever since it was found that his son was on the board of Burisma. And more and more keeps getting added. I have no reason to doubt that a Computer repair shop fabricated the laptop. I have no reason to believe that the drop off signature is s forgery, No reason to question the Hunter Biden's attorney contacted the shop to get it back, no reason to doubt the 2ndary verification of receiving parties on the emails as to their authenticity. I suppose I could call all of this in question but that seems to more on the implausible end then the story itself.

 

I sincerely hope that Joe Biden withdraw his name from consideration. Please refrain from insult in your response that no doubt would ask that I ignore the above as having any foundation in reality.

[Tippaporn]

29 minutes ago, Salerno said:

34 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

O.K.  Let's ask Joe to divulge all of his business dealings with China (and elsewhere?).  He hasn't made a peep about having any Chinese related business dealings.  Why so secretive?  Perhaps it would lead to more, do ya think?  And if he's running for president wouldn't any business dealings with the Chinese (especially if tied to the CCP) be of critical importance to disclose?  National security risks apply?

 

Wouldn't you want to know, simple1?  I sure as hell would if I were voting.  Or would all of that just be dandy with you?  I mean aren't you at all concerned?  I don't think ignorance would not be bliss here.  What if the roles were reversed and it was Trump?  Would you want to know?  Would you defend Trump in the same way you would defend Biden?

You mean like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html ?

Good boy.  Nice find.

 

Date of the article?  Oct. 20, 2020.  Check.

Article from?  New York Times.  Check.

Article topic?  Trump dealings in China.  Check.

Article bombshell findings?  Trump has bank account in China.  Check.

Trump business milieu before Presidency?  Real estate.  Check.

Shock value?  None.  Check.

Countering hit piece?  Absolutely.  Check.

[Tippaporn]

33 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Clearly the tactic here is to throw out unsubstantiated BS.

 

What evidence pointed in that direction?  Remember the rule from the Mueller Report--no indictment means total vindictation.

 

How can the investigation be ongoing if the report has been released?  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-report-burisma-ukraine-senate-republican-released/

Read the report and go to senate.gov to find out about the investigation.  That's what I would do if I wanted to know.

[Jeffr2]

30 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Do not insult me in your posts. I have had enough. The DNI said what he said. The intelligence agencies backed him. No one refuted him. He runs the agency. Do not insult me any further. You have been warned.

The DNI is a political appointee.  One with a dodgy history.  You can research that.

 

The intelligence community is saying it's BS.  They are not backing the DNI.  Unless you only read Faux News. LOL

[Rimmer]

A couple of off topic posts have been removed, please stay on topic:

 

Trump slams Facebook, Twitter for taking down Biden story in NY Post

[Jeffr2]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-examining-hunter-bidens-laptop-as-foreign-op-contradicting-john-ratcliffe-trumps-intel-czar

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son.

[Jeffr2]

19 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am not a "Trump fan". I am an American Citizen, 62 years old, Retired US Navy, and I have voted for both parties in my lifetime. I am a conservative.

 

I have seen many political scandals and followed them all closely and have never seen one as serious as this, unless you count the entire scandal to remove the President from office. That one is every bit as big.

 

I am deeply concerned about the activities of Joe and Hunter Biden, have been able to see the obvious issue ever since it was found that his son was on the board of Burisma. And more and more keeps getting added. I have no reason to doubt that a Computer repair shop fabricated the laptop. I have no reason to believe that the drop off signature is s forgery, No reason to question the Hunter Biden's attorney contacted the shop to get it back, no reason to doubt the 2ndary verification of receiving parties on the emails as to their authenticity. I suppose I could call all of this in question but that seems to more on the implausible end then the story itself.

 

I sincerely hope that Joe Biden withdraw his name from consideration. Please refrain from insult in your response that no doubt would ask that I ignore the above as having any foundation in reality.

So nothing Trump has done concerns you?  You are happy with everything he's done so far?

 

Read this and get back to us.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-properties-swamp.html

The Swamp That Trump Built

A businessman-president transplanted favor-seeking in Washington to his family’s hotels and resorts — and earned millions as a gatekeeper to his own administration.

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23 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The story that there's a mix is pure supposition because that can't be confirmed by anyone as they don't have physical possession of the drives.  In my view it's just another half cocked theory but all in an effort to obfuscate and cast doubt.  Come out with a dozen or so claims, hypotheses, theories to keep the focus on the validity of the data so that the only truly important part, the data, is ignored.  Just a bunch of meaningless chatter to divert attention from the actual meat.

 

As to whether there was confirmed criminality in the email(s) that were verified by recipients or otherwise is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.  Let it all get verified (the content) and then we can sort through it to see where corruption exists or not.

 

There's corruption in not only both U.S. parties but in all political parties anywhere in the world.  That much I'm sure we can agree on.

To get the content verified you would need to start with the original data, including the metadata. Giuliani refuses to release it.

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Read the report and go to senate.gov to find out about the investigation.  That's what I would do if I wanted to know.

The report said that Hunter Biden's involvement with Burisma looked bad.  So what else is new?  It found no wrong doing by Joe Biden.

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-examining-hunter-bidens-laptop-as-foreign-op-contradicting-john-ratcliffe-trumps-intel-czar

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son.

That's old news.  It's been debunked already by the FBI, DOJ and DNI.  Give them each a carrot for trying.  Nah, cancel that on second thought.  Their effort was so lame it's not worth anything.

[Damual Travesty]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The DNI is a political appointee.  One with a dodgy history.  You can research that.

 

The intelligence community is saying it's BS.  They are not backing the DNI.  Unless you only read Faux News. LOL

Actually all who head agencies are appointees of the President of the USA that is how our system works.That is no reason to call into question him saying he has sent no information to Congress, nor seen such information which makes a claim that the Biden Laptop is part of some elaborate Russian scheme.  Further, he does not have a "dodgy history" as you say. The intelligence community is NOT saying what you stated.  The Intelligence community speaks through the DNI and they have not refuted or argued his public position.  Your LOL what does that mean exactly? You are laughing out loud at who me? The Director if Intelligence of the USA as if you know better? The report did not come out of faux it came out of the New York post but it has been corroborated elsewhere including Fox. Let's just let the truth to continue to come out and see where it leads shall we?  Sound reasonable to you? My guess is Biden steps down and soon.

[Sujo]

trump can order an investigation. Trump can demand a full briefing report. Trump can declassify and demand it be public.

 

Instead, he just wants the accusation to be there, he doesnt want the facts out.

 

Its bad for trump, he is so toxic charles manson would beat him.

 

But why all trump supporters jumping up and down. Biden wont last 6 months they say, he'll be dead they say. So why worry.

 

 

[Damual Travesty]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

So nothing Trump has done concerns you?  You are happy with everything he's done so far?

 

Read this and get back to us.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-properties-swamp.html

The Swamp That Trump Built

A businessman-president transplanted favor-seeking in Washington to his family’s hotels and resorts — and earned millions as a gatekeeper to his own administration.

Who is us? Do you refer to yourself in the plural? Your article is not the topic of this post. It is simply noise and I am not interested in any unsubstantiated garbage designed as a hit job against the President. I do not read the NY times and do not get free access to the NY times and there is a paywall on the article. You didn't notice?

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Damual Travesty said:

Actually all who head agencies are appointees of the President of the USA that is how our system works.That is no reason to call into question him saying he has sent no information to Congress, nor seen such information which makes a claim that the Biden Laptop is part of some elaborate Russian scheme.  Further, he does not have a "dodgy history" as you say. The intelligence community is NOT saying what you stated.  The Intelligence community speaks through the DNI and they have not refuted or argued his public position.  Your LOL what does that mean exactly? You are laughing out loud at who me? The Director if Intelligence of the USA as if you know better? The report did not come out of faux it came out of the New York post but it has been corroborated elsewhere including Fox. Let's just let the truth to continue to come out and see where it leads shall we?  Sound reasonable to you? My guess is Biden steps down and soon.

So far, anyone in Trump's inner circle have been "Yes" men.  You disagree, you're gone.  It's a long list so far, including some highly decorated generals.

 

I just put up a link showing 50 former intelligence officers are saying this is BS.  Did you read that?

 

The NY Post is owned by Murdoch, who owns Faux News.  Both dodgy sources for news.

 

A political lackey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratcliffe_(American_politician)

Later, Ratcliffe claimed on Fox News that the special counsel investigation's report was not written by special counsel Robert Mueller, but by "Hillary Clinton’s de facto legal team".^[

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Actually all who head agencies are appointees of the President of the USA that is how our system works.That is no reason to call into question him saying he has sent no information to Congress, nor seen such information which makes a claim that the Biden Laptop is part of some elaborate Russian scheme.  Further, he does not have a "dodgy history" as you say. The intelligence community is NOT saying what you stated.  The Intelligence community speaks through the DNI and they have not refuted or argued his public position.  Your LOL what does that mean exactly? You are laughing out loud at who me? The Director if Intelligence of the USA as if you know better? The report did not come out of faux it came out of the New York post but it has been corroborated elsewhere including Fox. Let's just let the truth to continue to come out and see where it leads shall we?  Sound reasonable to you? My guess is Biden steps down and soon.

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Trump Abruptly Drops John Ratcliffe As DNI Nominee Amid Political Headwinds

President Trump abruptly dropped his intention to nominate Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas, to serve as director of national intelligence on Friday.

Coolness from Senate Republicans(link is external) and reports in the press about past overstatements regarding Ratcliffe's record(link is external) appear to have prompted the White House to calculate that it was wiser to cut bait now than try to press ahead against those headwinds.

https://kansaspublicradio.org/npr-news/trump-abruptly-drops-john-ratcliffe-dni-nominee-amid-political-headwinds

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Who is us? Do you refer to yourself in the plural? Your article is not the topic of this post. It is simply noise and I am not interested in any unsubstantiated garbage designed as a hit job against the President. I do not read the NY times and do not get free access to the NY times and there is a paywall on the article. You didn't notice?

You laid it out well.  You don't want to hear bad things about your idol.  That's typical of Trump supporters.  Sad to say.

 

Easy to get around the firewall.  Super easy.  But only if you are interested in reading a great source for news.

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am not a "Trump fan". I am an American Citizen, 62 years old, Retired US Navy, and I have voted for both parties in my lifetime. I am a conservative.

 

I have seen many political scandals and followed them all closely and have never seen one as serious as this, unless you count the entire scandal to remove the President from office. That one is every bit as big.

 

I am deeply concerned about the activities of Joe and Hunter Biden, have been able to see the obvious issue ever since it was found that his son was on the board of Burisma. And more and more keeps getting added. I have no reason to doubt that a Computer repair shop fabricated the laptop. I have no reason to believe that the drop off signature is s forgery, No reason to question the Hunter Biden's attorney contacted the shop to get it back, no reason to doubt the 2ndary verification of receiving parties on the emails as to their authenticity. I suppose I could call all of this in question but that seems to more on the implausible end then the story itself.

 

I sincerely hope that Joe Biden withdraw his name from consideration. Please refrain from insult in your response that no doubt would ask that I ignore the above as having any foundation in reality.

And I'm also a US citizen, a little older than you, retired USAF.  I spent much of my career working on nuclear weapons systems or their defenses.  I argued to the best of my ability in 2016 that a clueless novice with no government or military experience, one who didn't even know what the nuclear triad was, should not be given the nuclear codes.  Nothing that Trump has done has changed my opinion.

 

I am puzzled by your concern with conspiracy theories regarding the Bidens and lack of concern regarding Trump's long history of shady business deals, bankruptcies, reliance on a bank notorious for money laundering, recklessness with classified information, and (military man to military man) disrespect of the flag for cheesy photo ops during his rallies.    Would you have ever publicly fondled a US flag with a goofy grin on your face while in uniform.

 

Of course this is not a complete list of my reservations regarding Trump.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

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Trump Abruptly Drops John Ratcliffe As DNI Nominee Amid Political Headwinds

President Trump abruptly dropped his intention to nominate Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas, to serve as director of national intelligence on Friday.

Coolness from Senate Republicans(link is external) and reports in the press about past overstatements regarding Ratcliffe's record(link is external) appear to have prompted the White House to calculate that it was wiser to cut bait now than try to press ahead against those headwinds.

https://kansaspublicradio.org/npr-news/trump-abruptly-drops-john-ratcliffe-dni-nominee-amid-political-headwinds

Too fricking funny.  Don't do as the president says, potentially breaking laws, and you're out!

 

Perhaps Barr will step in and help? LOL 

 

We need a president who hires competent managers.  Not lackeys and yes men.

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8 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Actually all who head agencies are appointees of the President of the USA that is how our system works.That is no reason to call into question him saying he has sent no information to Congress, nor seen such information which makes a claim that the Biden Laptop is part of some elaborate Russian scheme.  Further, he does not have a "dodgy history" as you say. The intelligence community is NOT saying what you stated.  The Intelligence community speaks through the DNI and they have not refuted or argued his public position.  Your LOL what does that mean exactly? You are laughing out loud at who me? The Director if Intelligence of the USA as if you know better? The report did not come out of faux it came out of the New York post but it has been corroborated elsewhere including Fox. Let's just let the truth to continue to come out and see where it leads shall we?  Sound reasonable to you? My guess is Biden steps down and soon.

Trump's spy chief just released 'Russian disinformation' against Hillary Clinton that he acknowledged may be fabricated

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe declassified a dubious claim from Russian intelligence sources alleging that former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton "approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal" against then-Republican candidate Donald Trump and his ties to Russia.

Ratcliffe said in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham that the US intelligence community "does not know the accuracy" of the allegation "or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication."

The DNI's move raised questions about why the nation's spy chief declassified information that had not been corroborated and which he himself admitted may be false or exaggerated.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dni-ratcliffe-declassifies-russian-intelligence-disinformation-clinton-election-2020-9

[Damual Travesty]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

So far, anyone in Trump's inner circle have been "Yes" men.  You disagree, you're gone.  It's a long list so far, including some highly decorated generals.

 

I just put up a link showing 50 former intelligence officers are saying this is BS.  Did you read that?

 

The NY Post is owned by Murdoch, who owns Faux News.  Both dodgy sources for news.

 

A political lackey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratcliffe_(American_politician)

Later, Ratcliffe claimed on Fox News that the special counsel investigation's report was not written by special counsel Robert Mueller, but by "Hillary Clinton’s de facto legal team".^[

 

 

I would say he is correct on that. We know the truth about who ran Mueller's team. Don't we? You don't? I am not impressed by your finding news articles that seem to support your position. As I have said previously, the CURRENT DNI has made a statement that no such intelligence has been received by him, or passed by him which would claim that the laptop is part of a Russian dis-info campaign. Now let's top right there? Is that true or false? If you claim it is false then I would gather it would not be too difficult to find out if the truth is that he is sitting on a trove of intelligence that states the opposite. In fact I would bet it would already have been leaked to the press. In fact Adam Schiff, surely would have called an immediate press conference to say he has current intelligence that was indeed passed to him by the DNI, and the intel agency heads likewise would have made statements that contradict the DNI, but alas, that has not happened has it. So who is pedalling conspiracy here me? As for Trump and his cabinet or who he has fired, what does that have to do with a laptop. Let's make this easy: Again, I expect Joe Biden to resign from running any minute now.  I could be wrong. But I can make a guess right? I I realize this board is HQ in Hong Kong but I assume I have some freedom of speech that will allow me make a guess.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

You jumped in on a discussion between me and Eric to add your two cents but your two cents had nothing to do with what Eric and I were discussing.  So you respond to my asking you what point your contribution was attempting to make, please clarify, and you give me this reply?

None of which detracts from the fact that the whole ‘Hunter Biden’s Computer’ nonsense is a transparent smear campaign, hand carried by Trump’s personal lawyer, a man who the US Intelligence services have warned is himself the target of a Russian intelligence operation, and who’s credibility is otherwise blown out of the water by his own words and actions.

 

 

[Damual Travesty]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump's spy chief just released 'Russian disinformation' against Hillary Clinton that he acknowledged may be fabricated

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe declassified a dubious claim from Russian intelligence sources alleging that former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton "approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal" against then-Republican candidate Donald Trump and his ties to Russia.

Ratcliffe said in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham that the US intelligence community "does not know the accuracy" of the allegation "or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication."

The DNI's move raised questions about why the nation's spy chief declassified information that had not been corroborated and which he himself admitted may be false or exaggerated.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dni-ratcliffe-declassifies-russian-intelligence-disinformation-clinton-election-2020-9

Apples and Oranges what is your point? One is not related to the other. One says that Intelligence on Russian activity indicates they were under the belief (The Russians) that Clinton had given the order to begin dis-info campaign against Trump claiming he was backed by the Russians (or to that effect) , and the other is the DNI stating no such intel exists on a laptop  that would indicate it came from the Russians or is part of a Russian disinfo campaign. What is your issue here?

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7 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I would say he is correct on that. We know the truth about who ran Mueller's team. Don't we? You don't? I am not impressed by your finding news articles that seem to support your position. As I have said previously, the CURRENT DNI has made a statement that no such intelligence has been received by him, or passed by him which would claim that the laptop is part of a Russian dis-info campaign. Now let's top right there? Is that true or false? If you claim it is false then I would gather it would not be too difficult to find out if the truth is that he is sitting on a trove of intelligence that states the opposite. In fact I would bet it would already have been leaked to the press. In fact Adam Schiff, surely would have called an immediate press conference to say he has current intelligence that was indeed passed to him by the DNI, and the intel agency heads likewise would have made statements that contradict the DNI, but alas, that has not happened has it. So who is pedalling conspiracy here me? As for Trump and his cabinet or who he has fired, what does that have to do with a laptop. Let's make this easy: Again, I expect Joe Biden to resign from running any minute now.  I could be wrong. But I can make a guess right? I I realize this board is HQ in Hong Kong but I assume I have some freedom of speech that will allow me make a guess.

Ratcliffe has no authority to speak for the FBI. The FBI has not supported what Ratcliffe maintains. It neither confirms not denies. Which is what you'd expect it to do if an investigation were underway.

[Sujo]

Not to worry. Trump is going to win anyway. Isnt he?

[Damual Travesty]

15 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You laid it out well.  You don't want to hear bad things about your idol.  That's typical of Trump supporters.  Sad to say.

 

Easy to get around the firewall.  Super easy.  But only if you are interested in reading a great source for news.

Again, Trump is not my Idol. I do not read the NY times I consider it a rag. I didn't read them when I lived in NYC either. I don't need you to advise me on what would be a great source of news.   Perhaps if I was a young man of about 12 or so I would need that kind of advice, but not now.  I pretty much have them all down, unless you want to recommend a good aggregator app. One which allows me to remove and add sources.

[Damual Travesty]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Not to worry. Trump is going to win anyway. Isnt he?

Well were all gonna find out soon! I can't wait.

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11 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Apples and Oranges what is your point? One is not related to the other. One says that Intelligence on Russian activity indicates they were under the belief (The Russians) that Clinton had given the order to begin dis-info campaign against Trump claiming he was backed by the Russians (or to that effect) , and the other is the DNI stating no such intel exists on a laptop  that would indicate it came from the Russians or is part of a Russian disinfo campaign. What is your issue here?

The issue is that you claim Ratcliffe doesn't have a sleazy history. The evidence says otherwise.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

Your signature is illegal.

No, it's not, but your diversion should be.

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4 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Again, Trump is not my Idol. I do not read the NY times I consider it a rag. I didn't read them when I lived in NYC either. I don't need you to advise me on what would be a great source of news.   Perhaps if I was a young man of about 12 or so I would need that kind of advice, but not now.  I pretty much have them all down, unless you want to recommend a good aggregator app. One which allows me to remove and add sources.

Given that you wrote this about the Mueller investigation

"We know the truth about who ran Mueller's team. Don't we? You don't? "

it's clear where you get your news from. And your reluctance to be more specific proves it.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

Atty General Barr is not a sycophant appointee of Trump.

OK, how should I put this.......oh, now I know: BWAHAHAHAHAHA!