Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[transam]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

No I dont. I post as anti Brexit.

Why do you equate being a Brexiteer with being pro British?

No, you side with everything EU, nothing positive regarding the UK moving on outside the EU, absolutely nothing..????

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Doesn't look like that much hoped for free trade agreement with the US is going to be in the offing now that Biden's likely to be the next President.

[luckyluke]

On 11/4/2020 at 7:25 PM, nauseus said:

I hope the UK does set revised quotas....for British boats.

 

Deleted, misread your post.

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by luckyluke

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Just now, transam said:

No, you side with everything EU, nothing positive regarding the UK moving on outside the EU, absolutely nothing..????

Whereas you have been positive in so many ways about the EU? Your dispassionate even-handedness has been an inspiration to us all.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

No, you side with everything EU, nothing positive regarding the UK moving on outside the EU, absolutely nothing..????

Nice straw man you got there.

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Nice straw man you got there.

 

Really, well Brexit is here, the UK moves on, but you still fight the EU corner, say nothing good about the UK, why is that....?  ????

 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Really, well Brexit is here, the UK moves on, but you still fight the EU corner, say nothing good about the UK, why is that....?  ????

 

No I dont.

I still believe Brexit is stupidity on stilts and I keep reminding you Brexiteers of what you have done.

[transam]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

No I dont.

I still believe Brexit is stupidity on stilts and I keep reminding you Brexiteers of what you have done.

Do you realise I am not the only one that will read that....????....................????

[Rookiescot]

Just now, transam said:

Do you realise I am not the only one that will read that....????....................????

Its a public forum so yes.

You still evade my question.

Why do YOU equate being a Brexiteer with being pro British?

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its a public forum so yes.

You still evade my question.

Why do YOU equate being a Brexiteer with being pro British?

I think you are doing a 49, twisting stuff.

 

Leavers and remainers are British, they have different ideas on UK future, but the likes of you supporting  everything the EU is doing to stiff the UK is incredibly anti-British, that is my point.

You even side with EU nationals here when Brexit is history, gone, we are now in future mode, but you still fight for the other side,  sadly...????

[nauseus]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

How sad; you complain about the CFP without having any idea with what you'd replace it.

 

Typical.

 

I would replace it with a BFP.

[nauseus]

15 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Indeed. Your failure to answer even simple questions has become so.

Evasion is a recognised tactic when posting but the problem is if you use it to often then you simply make yourself look furtive and without substance.

 

Evasion? No. I just ignore add-ons.

[Tofer]

On 11/3/2020 at 10:30 PM, 7by7 said:

 Leavers did not want the single market?

 

Really?

 

If leavers didn't want to maintain access to the single market why did Vote.Leave, including Gove and Johnson, go to such pains to persuade voters that leaving the EU would not mean losing access to the single market?

 

Why did they call Cameron's warning "Project Fear?"

 

'Tied to' and 'access to' are two completely different scenarios.

[Tofer]

On 11/3/2020 at 10:41 PM, 7by7 said:

 It's actually 3.6 million; but even if it were 4 million that's just 0.9% of the population of the EU.

 

Whereas 1.3 million Brits, 1.9% of the UK population, live in the EU.

 

Proportionately, more Brits choose to live in the EU than EU nationals choose to live in the UK.

The 1.3M Brits are predominantly retirees, still living off the "milk and honey" of their UK pensions. Unlike the 3.6M EU citizens who go to the UK to reap said "milk and Honey"

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

The 1.3M Brits are predominantly retirees, still living off the "milk and honey" of their UK pensions. Unlike the 3.6M EU citizens who go to the UK to reap said "milk and Honey"

Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, RayC said:

Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.

 

Who is paying for the health services that the 3.6M EU citizens receive in the UK? Most of them haven't been there nearly as long as these UK retirees paid in tax and NI.

[david555]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Who is paying for the health services that the 3.6M EU citizens receive in the UK? Most of them haven't been there nearly as long as these UK retirees paid in tax and NI.

They might be working , paying taxes ....that never came up in your mind ? 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, transam said:

I think you are doing a 49, twisting stuff.

 

Leavers and remainers are British, they have different ideas on UK future, but the likes of you supporting  everything the EU is doing to stiff the UK is incredibly anti-British, that is my point.

You even side with EU nationals here when Brexit is history, gone, we are now in future mode, but you still fight for the other side,  sadly...????

Right so the EU nationals are anti British not anti Brexit.

You cant help yourself can you? You honestly believe only Brexiteers are patriots. This is the problem right there. You equate being anti Brexit as being anti British. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Patriots dont vote to damage their country.  

Go on find something I have posted which is anti British. Not something which is anti Brexit but actually anti British.

And find something from one of the EU nationals which is anti British as well.

 

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.

they will not accept the truth as they don't know what's happening outside of their shell.... they should check what advantages the UK citizens have in France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc..., just to mention a few...............their main issue is the fishing 555

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.

All UK nationals public  health costs in Europe are billed back to the UK

The UK paid out £674 million in health costs to European countries, but received only £49 million in return.

https://fullfact.org/health/how-much-does-uk-recover-health-costs-eu/

[7by7]

10 hours ago, transam said:

Well then, perhaps your remainer crowd could stop using the "lies" ploy on a regular basis, as you have told use, the "lie" thing works both ways. At least we can get rid of one tiresome thingy.....????

 

Leave won on the basis of the many lies they told, primarily those about the single market and immigration. Then there's the £350 million lie as well!

 

If Remain had won on the basis of the far fewer lies they told, then I have no doubt that you and most other Brexiteers would still be calling for another vote.

 

Still, good to see that you are at last acknowledging that Leave lied to us.

 

[7by7]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

How sad; you complain about the CFP without having any idea with what you'd replace it.

 

Typical.

 

I would replace it with a BFP.

 

Am I right to assume the 'B' stands for 'British?'

 

Am I right to assume it would only apply to British waters? (What about Northern Irish ones? I'd have gone for UKFP myself.)

 

So; in what way would your BFP differ from the CFP?

 

Assuming the UK government does take back all the licences to fish in UK waters currently owned by foreign fleets and issues them to British fleet owners, who don't have the number of boats required anyway, what would you do to stop those fleet owners from simply doing what they did last time and selling them on?

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

'Tied to' and 'access to' are two completely different scenarios.

 

How so, by having to follow the rules and regulations? The same rules and regulations every non EU country who have negotiated access to the single market had to agree to!

 

The big, important difference is that EU members have a say in those rules and regulations via the Council and Parliament; non EU members don't.

[RayC]

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

All UK nationals public  health costs in Europe are billed back to the UK

The UK paid out £674 million in health costs to European countries, but received only £49 million in return.

https://fullfact.org/health/how-much-does-uk-recover-health-costs-eu/

This cost is almost certainly entirely related to tourism. UK nationals who are residents of an EU country have their health costs borne by that country. 

 

To continue with Spanish example. I'd suggest that the accumulated costs of providing treatment to UK (resident) retirees to the Spanish health system is likely to outweigh the costs to the NHS in treating young Spanish workers in the UK.

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

This cost is almost certainly entirely related to tourism. UK nationals who are residents of an EU country have their health costs borne by that country. 

 

To continue with Spanish example. I'd suggest that the accumulated costs of providing treatment to UK (resident) retirees to the Spanish health system is likely to outweigh the costs to the NHS in treating young Spanish workers in the UK.

The EU and UK have already agreed that some EHICs will remain valid after 2021 though:

UK pensioners living in the EU at the end of 2020 will be able to continue using their EHICs.

UK students studying in the EU at the end of 2020 will also be able to continue using them.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/02/new-ehics-will-be-issued-without-eu-symbol---but-you-can-still-u/

 

Spain has already stated that it will offer a reciprocal healthcare agreement for UK citizens in Spain after Brexit but as yet, we don’t know how this will look.

https://www.idealista.com/en/news/lifestyle-spain/2020/03/05/7407-healthcare-spain-after-brexit

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

The 1.3M Brits are predominantly retirees, still living off the "milk and honey" of their UK pensions. Unlike the 3.6M EU citizens who go to the UK to reap said "milk and Honey"

Actually approximately two thirds of British citizens living in the EU are workers and their families; the other third are pensioners. From the anti immigration, anti EU pressure group Migration Watch: The British in Europe – and Vice Versa

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1. There are around 1.2 million British born people living in another EU country, according to figures provided by the UN. Around 800,000 will be workers and their dependants.

 On the other hand, most EU nationals living in the UK are tax paying workers and their families. From the same article

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estimated 3.3 million people born in another EU country who now live in the UK, of which 2.1 million are working.

Interesting that they include workers families as workers for Brits in the EU, but not for EU nationals in the UK!

 

 

[7by7]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Who is paying for the health services that the 3.6M EU citizens receive in the UK? Most of them haven't been there nearly as long as these UK retirees paid in tax and NI.

 

They are as they are paying tax and NICs, or the family members of same, and so are contributing to the NHS the same as any British taxpayer and their non working family.

 

Even if not working or the family member of a worker, they still pay tax on nearly everything they buy.

 

NHS care is dependent upon residency; there is no minimum amount of tax or NICs you have to pay before qualifying for it.

 

 

 

[7by7]

47 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

All UK nationals public  health costs in Europe are billed back to the UK

The UK paid out £674 million in health costs to European countries, but received only £49 million in return.

https://fullfact.org/health/how-much-does-uk-recover-health-costs-eu/

 

Did you read the whole article? Doubt it, because you missed some important points. Such as 

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."The size of the difference between the amount the UK pays out and the amount it receives is partly because foreign citizens in Britain run up less than half as many costs which might be covered under these schemes as British citizens abroad. However, government studies suggest that the NHS is also simply failing to charge when it is supposed to – recouping only a fraction of what should be around £340m from other countries." 

 

[vinny41]

4 hours ago, RayC said:

Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.

 

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Did you read the whole article? Doubt it, because you missed some important points. Such as 

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make  I was replying to RayC post  where he was under the impression that the EU pickup all UK retirees public healthcare costs.

[evadgib]

Statement on UK-Singapore Economic and Business Partnership

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The 6th annual UK-Singapore Economic and Business Partnership was held this week to strengthen and deepen the economic relationship between the UK and Singapore