Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Serious concerns now being expressed, in government circles, that supply of the covid vaccine will be disrupted by Brexit chaos at the ferry terminals.

 

The gift that just keeps giving.

 

From the spinner that keeps on spinning.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Serious concerns now being expressed, in government circles, that supply of the covid vaccine will be disrupted by Brexit chaos at the ferry terminals.

 

The gift that just keeps giving.

Link please....

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Try reading my post a bit slower....????

Try making a point.

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

"every time you lose an argument" sounds  a bit too familiar??? Dual identity or just parroting?

Does someone have copyright on that phrase or is your paranoid delusion just getting out of hand?

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Does someone have copyright on that phrase or is your paranoid delusion just getting out of hand?

 

Looks like 49 thinks he has.

[Tofer]

22 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Many will find you are right, as many will find it is the other way around.

Every party is convinced they are right, and the others wrong.

Every party will claim that the others don't want to see the reality.

The EU have agreed to ring-fence police and judicial cooperation from potential sanctions in the event of any future trade disputes with the UK.

 

What red lines have the UK moved on?

[Tofer]

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 I see that, as with every other Brexiteer who has been asked, you are unable to say what the EU has done to "punish the UK" and "render the WA null and void."

They have colluded with remainer elements in the UK to drag the process out over the last, almost 5 years, costing UK billions in additional contributions.

 

They have made totally unrealistic demands to maintain control of our laws, governance and access to our territorial waters, contrary to the terms of the WA in their refusal to acknowledge UK's sovereignty.

 

They have threatened numerous punishments throughout the negotiations, including a blockade of UK's trade with NI, removal of air traffic access to EU, huge trading tariffs on UK exports, blockading ports, etc, etc.

[Tofer]

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 I ask again: what is it you don't like about the conduct of the EU? What has the EU done to punish the UK?

 

As I've said; plenty of Brexiteers have made such allegations; yet none have been able to answer those questions. Will you now do so?

 

I agree, the UK will make some sort of success of Brexit; ultimately. But when; and will we ever be economically back to where we were before Brexit?

I think you have a mental block on reality....

[Tofer]

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 The voters didn't exactly rush to the Tories; they only increased their share of the vote by 1.4%; the LibDems increased theirs by 4.2%.

 

Swinson was not trounced; she lost by just 149 votes; to the EUphile SNP! 

 

Not spinning any numbers; they are real and there for all to see and check. Parties supporting at least a second referendum on any WA received over 50% of the popular vote.

 

You can go on deluding yourself for ever, and probably will, but those are the facts for all to see.

You can manipulate statistics until the cows come home, but the fact remains that Boris won with a resounding 80 odd seat majority, hence the reason the job is now getting done.

[Tofer]

20 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson was born in the USA as well. New York to be precise.

Of course the Brexiteers dont want Johnny Foreigner in good old blighty. Nah they made a Johnny Foreigner prime minister instead ???? 

I thought you didn't know any reasons for Brexit... You've just stated one yourself - control of our borders / immigration policy.

[Tofer]

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

In the 20 years that I have taken an interest in UK immigration, there have been many changes to the Immigration Rules; none of which required any input and certainly no permission from the EU!

 

Like all EU/EEA members we always had complete control over our borders as far as non EU/EEA nationals are concerned and the FoM allows control over some aspects of immigration by EU/EEA nationals as well.

You've just contradicted yourself, considering the topic is the EU....

[Tofer]

20 hours ago, david555 said:

 " Mirror mirror on that wall who fits that image most of all..." ????. i would reply ....

a leaver standing /hesitating /hoping / 4 years+ to get those same privilages as a paying member before ...????????????????

It's called a trade deal not privileges! You know those arrangements you have with other independent nations, that the UE are refusing to accede to with the UK. What did I call it before, oh yes, - punishment!

 

You love to spin it your way don't you.

 

I'll turn your tactics back on you in this case, list the "special privileges" UK are requesting?

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, Tofer said:

I thought you didn't know any reasons for Brexit... You've just stated one yourself - control of our borders / immigration policy.

Who is going to pick all that fruit and veg in the UK?

You?

[luckyluke]

42 minutes ago, Tofer said:

The EU have agreed to ring-fence police and judicial cooperation from potential sanctions in the event of any future trade disputes with the UK.

 

What red lines have the UK moved on?

You tell me, please.

[luckyluke]

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

You tell me, please.

Some Britons have a really special kind of humor.

Never thought that above question will be considered as a side-splitter.

[david555]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

It's called a trade deal not privileges! You know those arrangements you have with other independent nations, that the UE are refusing to accede to with the UK. What did I call it before, oh yes, - punishment!

 

You love to spin it your way don't you.

 

I'll turn your tactics back on you in this case, list the "special privileges" UK are requesting?

Just keeping all the same as a before member ...while becoming a third  country ...????

Keep dreaming and hoping ....but the  endgame is very close now ..????

 

 

[david555]

Just now, david555 said:

Just keeping all the same as a before member ...while becoming a third  country ...????

Keep dreaming and hoping ....but the  endgame is very close now ..????

BTW  if you feel it as punishment ...then it is a" self inflicted one "....

 

 

[dunroaming]

So Johnson is losing his tail!  You know, the one that has been wagging him for so long.  Cummings is finally being outed as MPs put more and more pressure on Boris to sort out the chaotic mess that is destroying this government.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

So Johnson is losing his tail!  You know, the one that has been wagging him for so long.  Cummings is finally being outed as MPs put more and more pressure on Boris to sort out the chaotic mess that is destroying this government.

 

Do you have any knowledge to prove this "outing"?

[dunroaming]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Do you have any knowledge to prove this "outing"?

Just listen to the relevant news reports and work it out for yourself.  The pressure from MPs and cabinet members has been building for weeks.  It's not hard, even for Boris's fan club, to see what is happening.  

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Just listen to the relevant news reports and work it out for yourself.  The pressure from MPs and cabinet members has been building for weeks.  It's not hard, even for Boris's fan club, to see what is happening.  

 

I agree. I cant help but think this is all related to the fact number 10 is now capitulating to the EU's demands for access to the single market.

The rats are jumping ship and leaving Johnson to twist in the wind ????

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Do you have any knowledge to prove this "outing"?

It seems to be doing the rounds, but until it's actually confirmed via the correct channels i'll put it in the same file as the one marked 'President elect' ????

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

I think you have a mental block on reality....

 It is not I who makes allegations they cannot back up!

 

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

You can manipulate statistics until the cows come home, but the fact remains that Boris won with a resounding 80 odd seat majority, hence the reason the job is now getting done.

 Not manipulating any facts. That you and others don't care for them is your problem, not mine.

 

Yes, I am aware of Johnson's majority; a majority it now seems to be based upon a lie as he has since reneged upon the WA he promised during the campaign would get Brexit done!

 

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

You've just contradicted yourself, considering the topic is the EU....

 How so? I answered an oft made claim that the EU controlled our borders with the facts.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by 7by7
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[david555]

50 minutes ago, evadgib said:

It seems to be doing the rounds, but until it's actually confirmed via the correct channels i'll put it in the same file as the one marked 'President elect' ????

Well than you must be deaf and blind as it is on many news sites ....i guess you 52% ones are becoming in denial .....broken dreams maybe the reason ?...

All is normal ....just another U turn from Boris ... but this one a Big one ! ????

[7by7]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

So Johnson is losing his tail!  You know, the one that has been wagging him for so long.  Cummings is finally being outed as MPs put more and more pressure on Boris to sort out the chaotic mess that is destroying this government.

 

Do you have any knowledge to prove this "outing"?

 

Dominic Cummings to leave Downing Street by Christmas

 

The pressure on Johnson has been increasing since his defence of Cummings' "eye test" drive. There are reports in all media of growing disquiet over Cummings and his mates in Number 10. Disquiet which has already led to the departure of Cummings' mate Lee Cain.

 

It seems that Johnson now knows that, as far as the Tory backbenchers, who Cummings referred to in his blog as "useful idiots," and grandees who control his fate as party leader are concerned, if he wants to keep his job, Cummings has to go.

[Bruntoid]

4 hours ago, Tofer said:

You can manipulate statistics until the cows come home, but the fact remains that Boris won with a resounding 80 odd seat majority, hence the reason the job is now getting done.

Haha in what bizarre warped mind could anyone possibly construe the ‘job is now getting done’ ?? 
 

As the oaf lurches from cluelessness to ineptitude at every opportunity, Barnier is running circles around him, Biden has just read him his future, even Marcus Rashford a footballer had to educate him on public expectations with ease and today Canada (5th largest trading partner of U.K.) has told him a deal isn't to be taken as read! 

 

If that’s ‘getting the job done’ define utter incompetence please. 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

It seems to be doing the rounds, but until it's actually confirmed via the correct channels i'll put it in the same file as the one marked 'President elect' ????

 

See my post above. Cummings is trying to put a brave face on it; but he is going, and going soon. Just like Trump is.

 

But Trump and his absurd, unsubstantiated by any evidence claims are not a matter for this topic.

Edited November 13, 2020 by 7by7
Addendum

[Bruntoid]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Who is going to pick all that fruit and veg in the UK?

You?

No need - the pickers were flown back in on chartered flights at the expense of the taxpayer when they realised the Brits don’t like an early start in the cold! 

[david555]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/12/beginning-end-number-10-dominic-cummings/

 

Dominic Cummings 'to be gone by Christmas' after losing No 10 power struggle 

Boris Johnson's supporters urge him to 'take back control' after Downing Street battle

By Gordon Rayner, Political Editor and Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent 13 November 2020 • 8:28am

 

Dominic Cummings is at "the beginning of the end" of his time in Downing Street after he and a close ally lost a bitter power struggle within No 10, sources said on Thursday night....

Edited November 13, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Just listen to the relevant news reports and work it out for yourself.  The pressure from MPs and cabinet members has been building for weeks.  It's not hard, even for Boris's fan club, to see what is happening.  

 

So a no then. Thanks.