Three dead as woman beheaded in knife attack at French church

[dimitriv]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Put "Muslims condemn Islamist terrorism." or "Muslims condemn Islamist murder" into Google. So doing will result in multitudinous results.

 

 

If you use Google you will always find something that supports your opinion.  It doesn't mean anything if you are able to find some pages with results. Statistically it means nothing.

 

 

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The big question is not "Why don't Muslims condemn such acts?" because they do. The big question is why the Western press, whilst keen to report the idiocy of Erdogan and  Mahathir Mohamad, so rarely reports the mass condemnation of these atrocities coming from the majority of Muslims and their leaders; both religious and secular.

 

That is because there is nothing meaningful to report. But I do remember muslims partying on the street after 9/11.

 

The press in my home country, the press people like to call "mainstream media" is mostly left-wing. If there was something interesting to report to support their agenda they would have done so. But they didn't. Because there is nothing to report.

 

 

[dimitriv]

17 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Why do the vast majority of Muslim religious leaders condemn these terrorists and their atrocities?

 

 

It is nice to discuss things, but please don't twist the truth.

 

Malaysian ex-PM Mahathir says Muslims 'have right to kill French'

 

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201029-malaysian-ex-pm-mahathir-says-muslims-have-right-to-kill-french

 

 

[7by7]

25 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

I know for a fact that in France and Belgium there are no go zones for the police.

 

These are areas where the majority of inhabitants are Muslim immigrants. Guess it is because the majority of them are peaceful people. Not?

 

"Know for a fact? Then explain why the French and Belgian police say otherwise.

 

What do you know that they don't?

 

Muslim No-Go-Zones in the West – A Myth or a Reality?

Quote

 A French show even sent its French non-Muslim correspondents to these “dangerous” neighborhoods, only to come back with empty hands and a good laugh.

 

As the article says further on; that does not mean there are not areas where  authorities are not visible or they operate without uniforms because it is too risky to walk these streets as a police officer. But those areas are not exclusively Muslim. 

[dimitriv]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

"Know for a fact? Then explain why the French and Belgian police say otherwise.

 

What do you know that they don't?

 

Muslim No-Go-Zones in the West – A Myth or a Reality?

 

As the article says further on; that does not mean there are not areas where  authorities are not visible or they operate without uniforms because it is too risky to walk these streets as a police officer. But those areas are not exclusively Muslim. 

 

You are really twisting  the truth.

 

From your own article:

 

I am not denying the day-to-day hostility and resentment towards women and Jews in many European neighbourhoods. Of course, there are neighborhoods throughout Europe and North America where the authorities are not visible or they operate without uniforms because it is too risky to walk these streets as a police officer

 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

16 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The big question is not "Why don't Muslims condemn such acts?" because they do. The big question is why the Western press, whilst keen to report the idiocy of Erdogan and  Mahathir Mohamad, so rarely reports the mass condemnation of these atrocities coming from the majority of Muslims and their leaders; both religious and secular.

That might be the big question for you. 

Maybe the 'big question' you should be asking yourself is whether it's wise to continue supporting unchecked mass immigration into Europe from North Africa and other majority Muslim countries while these incidents keep occurring.

Perhaps you think we should tolerate the occasional beheading for the greater good (whatever that is). 

 

[7by7]

15 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Because the Muslims who condemn the actions are a minority to those who call for more attacks?

 

You do know that Google and social media search results are modified, don't you?

 

If not try to read up on the congressional debates about section 230 currently going on in the US

 

No, those who condemn the attacks are the vast majority. I have produced just one link out of many to hundreds authors condemning Islamist terrorism; can provide many more if you wish. How many authors can you provide calling for more such attacks?

 

But your conspiracy theorising knows better, of course!

 

Aren't those debates about Twitter, Facebook and other social media; not the content of the internet. If you don't trust Google, try a different search engine.

[dimitriv]

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

"Know for a fact? Then explain why the French and Belgian police say otherwise.

 

 

 

French police angry at 'no-go zones' after petrol bomb attack

By Reuters Staff

3 MIN READ

 

PARIS (Reuters) - French police unions complained angrily on Monday about being sent into gang-ridden “no-go zones” after two officers were seriously injured in a petrol bomb attack during a routine surveillance job in an area south of Paris at the weekend.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-security-police-idUSKCN12A1WS

[dimitriv]

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No, those who condemn the attacks are the vast majority. I have produced just one link out of many to hundreds authors condemning Islamist terrorism; can provide many more if you wish. How many authors can you provide calling for more such attacks?

 

You found one link with many hundreds of people condemning Islamist terrorism. How relevant is that if you know that:

 

quote: "According to a study in 2015, Islam has 1.8 billion adherents"

 

Statistically it is completely irrelevant.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

If you don't trust Google, try a different search engine.

 

quote (from Google): "As of January 2020 there were over 1.74 billion websites on the Internet."

 

Google indexes all of them. I can guarantee you for 100% that you will find a webpage supporting any opinion you can think of, even weird ones.

 

 

[7by7]

24 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

If you use Google you will always find something that supports your opinion.  It doesn't mean anything if you are able to find some pages with results. Statistically it means nothing

I repeat: I have produced just one link out of many to hundreds authors condemning Islamist terrorism; can provide many more if you wish. How many authors can you provide calling for more such attacks?

 

24 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

That is because there is nothing meaningful to report.

 Nothing meaningful to report! Are you really saying that Muslims in France condemn teacher’s killing near Paris is not meaningful? 

 

24 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

But I do remember muslims partying on the street after 9/11

There were disgraceful scenes as you describe; condemned by the majority of Muslims as much as anyone else.

 

17 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

You are really twisting  the truth.

 

From your own article:

 

I am not denying the day-to-day hostility and resentment towards women and Jews in many European neighbourhoods. Of course, there are neighborhoods throughout Europe and North America where the authorities are not visible or they operate without uniforms because it is too risky to walk these streets as a police officer

I said that was in the article in the post you quoted!

 

Before accusing me of twisting, actually read what I have written! Make less of an idiot of yourself that way.

 

As for your extraordinary large paste from a Reuters article: again you have failed to read (or is it understand?) what I have written.

44 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

the idiocy of Erdogan and  Mahathir Mohamad

 

From your four year old 'no go zone' article: 

Quote

“Despite all the reassurances, there are still no-go zones in France ruled by a handful of gangs of criminals who get more and more radical as the years go by,” the SCSI-CFDT union said.

"Criminal gangs." No mention of Muslims nor Sharia law!

 

6 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

You found one link with many hundreds of people condemning Islamist terrorism. How relevant is that if you know that:

 

quote: "According to a study in 2015, Islam has 1.8 billion adherents"

 

Statistically it is completely irrelevant.

Where are you links to prove your assertion that most of those 1.8 billion support the terrorists?

 

7 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

quote (from Google): "As of January 2020 there were over 1.74 billion websites on the Internet."

 

Google indexes all of them. I can guarantee you for 100% that you will find a webpage supporting any opinion you can think of, even weird ones.

 Then you should have no difficulty in finding the aforementioned links!

 

You've plenty of time; my dinner is calling.

[Jack Mountain]

8 hours ago, Jack Mountain said:

Revenge for Lybia and so many other countries? Or just cartoons.

“Muslims have a right to be angry and to kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past"

 

https://www.rt.com/news/504923-malaysia-pm-muslims-kill-french/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

[7by7]

23 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

That might be the big question for you. 

Maybe the 'big question' you should be asking yourself is whether it's wise to continue supporting unchecked mass immigration into Europe from North Africa and other majority Muslim countries while these incidents keep occurring.

 I have never supported unchecked, immigration into Europe from anywhere or by anyone.

 

But I didn't want to ban legal immigration from Ireland during the troubles; despite narrowly missing being blown up by the IRA.

 

25 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Perhaps you think we should tolerate the occasional beheading for the greater good (whatever that is). 

 

Show mw where I have said anything which in any way could justify that stupid remark.

[dimitriv]

14 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I repeat: I have produced just one link out of many to hundreds authors condemning Islamist terrorism; can provide many more if you wish. How many authors can you provide calling for more such attacks?

 

 Nothing meaningful to report! Are you really saying that Muslims in France condemn teacher’s killing near Paris is not meaningful? 

 

 

You are quoting text from others to me...

 

But it is how I told you, not meaningful.  In the article there are TWO (yes, 2) muslims saying this: Ibrahim and Tareq. TWO men. 

 

quote (from Google): A 2017 Pew Research report estimates the Muslim population of France to be 5,760,999 

 

Your article means nothing, statistically completely irrelevant.

 

In todays world you will always find something to support your own opinion. Google is great.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2020 by dimitriv

[Banana7]

Other news agencies are reporting the knife-wielding attacker shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is Greatest).

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 I have never supported unchecked, immigration into Europe from anywhere or by anyone.

 

But I didn't want to ban legal immigration from Ireland during the troubles; despite narrowly missing being blown up by the IRA.

 

 

Show mw where I have said anything which in any way could justify that stupid remark.

Every one of your posts on these topics attempts to shift focus away from the atrocities carried out by imported terrorists.  Instead your posts attempt to  highlight solidarity from peaceful Muslims and criticise those who are angry about beheadings etc. I just don't get it. 

[Selatan]

China must be laughing at France right now. Let's see if those countries (mostly Western) that have criticised China for its handling of its Uyghurs in Xinjiang have better ideas on how to de-radicalise their own Muslims.

[candide]

2 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

 

French police angry at 'no-go zones' after petrol bomb attack

By Reuters Staff

3 MIN READ

 

PARIS (Reuters) - French police unions complained angrily on Monday about being sent into gang-ridden “no-go zones” after two officers were seriously injured in a petrol bomb attack during a routine surveillance job in an area south of Paris at the weekend.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-security-police-idUSKCN12A1WS

I think there is a confusion about what is called a no-go zone. There are areas in France which can be considered as such, as they are more or less controlled by drug dealers. These areas are usually not larger than a few blocks.

 

This is completely different from the imaginary "Muslim" no-go zones alegedly governed by sharia law,  as made popular by Fox News, etc... This is complete B.S. and never existed. Actually Muslims, who live in the areas described above, are also complaining about drug gangs and would be very happy to get rid of them.

Edited October 29, 2020 by candide

[webfact]

Tunisian man beheads woman, kills two more people in Nice church

By Tangi Salaün and Eric Gaillard

 

A police officer stands near Notre Dame church, where a knife attack took place, in Nice, France October 29, 2020. REUTERS/Eric Gaillard/Pool

 

PARIS/NICE, France (Reuters) - A knife-wielding Tunisian man shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest) beheaded a woman and killed two other people in a church in the French city of Nice on Thursday before being shot and taken away by police.

 

President Emmanuel Macron said France would deploy thousands more soldiers to protect important sites such as places of worship and schools, as the country's security alert was raised to its highest level.

 

Speaking outside the church, Macron said France had been attacked "over our values, for our taste for freedom, for the ability on our soil to have freedom of belief ... And I say it with great clarity again today: We will not give any ground."

 

The attack came just under two weeks after a middle-school teacher in a Paris suburb was beheaded by an 18-year-old attacker who was apparently incensed by the teacher showing a carton of the Prophet Mohammad in class.

 

Chief anti-terrorist prosecutor Jean-Francois Ricard said the suspect in Thursday's attack was a Tunisian man born in 1999 who had arrived in Europe on Sept. 20 in Lampedusa, the Italian island off Tunisia that is the main landing point for migrants from Africa.

 

A Tunisian security source and a French police source named the suspect as Brahim Aouissaoui.

 

A knife-wielding attacker shouting "Allahu Akbar" beheaded a woman and killed two other people at a church in the French city of Nice on Thursday. Olivia Chan reports.

 

Ricard told a news conference in Nice that the man had entered the city by train early on Thursday morning and made his way to the church, where he stabbed and killed the 55-year-old sexton and beheaded a 60-year-old woman.

 

He also stabbed a 44-year-old woman who fled to a nearby cafe where she raised the alarm before dying, Ricard said. Police then arrived and confronted the attacker, still shouting "Allahu Akbar", and shot and wounded him.

 

"On the attacker we found a Koran and two telephones, the knife of the crime - 30cm with a cutting edge of 17cm. We also found a bag left by the attacker. Next to this bag were two knives that were not used in the attack," Ricard said.

The suspect is in hospital in critical condition, he said.

 

Tunisia's specialised counter-militancy court spokesman Mohsen Dali told Reuters that Aouissaoui was not listed by police there as a suspected militant.

 

He said Aouissaoui left the country on Sept. 14 by boat, adding that Tunisia had begun its own forensic investigation into the case.

 

Nice's mayor, Christian Estrosi, said the attack was similar to the beheading by a Chechen man earlier this month near Paris of teacher Samuel Paty, who had used cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a civics class about freedom of expression.

 

Thursday's attacks, on the birthday of the Prophet Mohammad, came at a time of growing Muslim anger at France's defence of the right to publish the cartoons, and protesters have denounced France in street rallies in several Muslim-majority countries.

 

SECURITY ALERT RAISED

After the Nice attack, Prime Minister Jean Castex raised France's security alert to its highest level.

 

Police armed with automatic weapons set up a security cordon around the church, which is on Nice's Avenue Jean Medecin, the French Riviera city's main shopping thoroughfare.

 

In Paris, lawmakers in the National Assembly observed a minute's silence.

 

U.S. President Donald Trump voiced sympathy for the people of France after the attack. "America stands with our oldest Ally in this fight. These Radical Islamic terrorist attacks must stop immediately. No country, France or otherwise can long put up with it!" Trump said in a Twitter post.

 

Condemnations of the attack also came from Britain, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, whose President Tayyip Erdogan earlier this week slammed Macron and France over displays of the Prophet Mohammad.

 

Turkish Presidential Communications Director Fahrettin Altun said Islam could not be used in the name of terrorism, adding: "We call on the French leadership to avoid further inflammatory rhetoric against Muslims and focus, instead, on finding the perpetrators of this and other acts of violence."

 

The foreign ministry of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, said "extremist acts" such as that in Nice "contravene all religions, while stressing "the importance of avoiding all practices which generate hatred, violence and extremism".

 

France, with Europe's largest Muslim community, has suffered a string of Islamist militant attacks in recent years, including bombings and shootings in 2015 in Paris that killed 130 people and a 2016 attack in Nice in which a militant drove a truck through a seafront crowd celebrating Bastille Day, killing 86.

 

A representative of the French Council for the Muslim Faith also condemned Thursday's attack and called on all Muslims in France to cancel celebrations of the Mawlid holiday that marks the Prophet's birthday, as a sign of mourning and solidarity.

 

(Reporting by Sudip Kar-Gupta in Paris, Maher Chmaytelli and Raya Jalabi in Dubai, Angus McDowall in Tunis and Doina Chiacu in Washington; Writing by Christian Lowe and Giles Elgood; Editing by Mark Heinrich, Hugh Lawson and Daniel Wallis)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-10-30

 

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[simple1]

9 hours ago, tgw said:

 

Agreed.

 

yet a number of things also have to change in France and in Europe.

 

also, the Muslims themselves should also help cleaning up their ranks of extremist nutters.

 

in Germany, not too long ago, extremists there setup "sharia patrols" to scold other Muslims in German streets if they saw women smoking cigarettes, or unaccompanied by a man.

according to media reports, hate speech has been going on for ages in certain mosques, why don't Muslims organize "sharia patrols" to spy on extremists and their networks and report them?

I guess this already has been going on behind the scenes, but doing it officially would send a message. it's time that Muslim religious leaders do more than just condemning these attacks, it's time for them to act against extremists. The big bosses should address their flock and ask every one of them to personally report to them any extremist activities.

 

then internationally, people like Erdogan are stirring the pot, it's time Erdogan gets put on a muzzle. Merkel and Macron need to talk with Putin, give him whatever assurances he needs and see that this has an end.

 

Don't know about European countries, but here in Australia security agencies have mentioned in the public domain Muslim representatives have assisted with identifying Islamist threats / investigations. 

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Jack Mountain said:

“Muslims have a right to be angry and to kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past"

 

https://www.rt.com/news/504923-malaysia-pm-muslims-kill-french/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

 

Mahathir is thoroughly corrupt, he also would be a target for Islamist terror. Mahathir has been making inflammatory comments for years, can be diplomatically really stupid. 

[Jack Mountain]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Mahathir is thoroughly corrupt, he also would be a target for Islamist terror. Mahathir has been making inflammatory comments for years, can be diplomatically really stupid. 

diplomatically really stupid.  => Sounds like a pré, double negative.

[Tug]

Any religious murdering thug should be harshly dealt with I’m glad they have this pig alive i hope they make his stay as (uncomfortable) as possible for a very very long time thease religious zealots need to grow a pair and learn to have a sense of humor this behavior certainly doesent earn them any respect just a vile evil crime my deepest condolences to the victims families and to France as a nation 

[pacovl46]

How many more people have to die for the sake of Charlie Hebdo exercising their freedom of speech?! Is making fun of a religion really more important than the lives of your citizens, especially when you know perfectly well that your caricatures are not going to go down well and people have previously died for the same BS?! Just how selfish and egotistical can one be?! 

Edited October 30, 2020 by pacovl46

[morrobay]

8 hours ago, Opl said:

They are Turks, living in France (supporters of Erdogan) and  they go after the Armenian diaspora in France, in punitive expeditions

So if your Armenian it's time to get out of Dodge. Let's hope the French have had it with these 10 % of the population and vote La-Pen this time. 

Edited October 30, 2020 by morrobay

[Opl]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Put "Muslims condemn Islamist terrorism." or "Muslims condemn Islamist murder" into Google. So doing will result in multitudinous results.

 

Just one example from them: Global Condemnations of ISIS/ISIL

 

More relevant to this topic: Muslims in France condemn teacher’s killing near Paris

 

The big question is not "Why don't Muslims condemn such acts?" because they do. The big question is why the Western press, whilst keen to report the idiocy of Erdogan and  Mahathir Mohamad, so rarely reports the mass condemnation of these atrocities coming from the majority of Muslims and their leaders; both religious and secular.

Muslim world condemns Macron, France over treatment of Islam

Leaders and groups across Muslim world join debate as protests erupt, while Europe stands by Macron and criticises Turkey.

"The spat has drawn in world leaders as people in Muslim-majority countries organise street protests."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/26/french-president-comments-over-islam-keep-sparking-outrage

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/27/world-reaction-to-macron

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/anti-france-rallies-held-in-several-countries-as-macron-backlash-widens-40989

 

Over 2500 mosques in France and how many in churches in Turkey?

[Opl]

35 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

How many more people have to die for the sake of Charlie Hebdo exercising their freedom of speech?! Is making fun of a religion really more important than the lives of your citizens, especially when you know perfectly well that your caricatures are not going to go down well and people have previously died for the same BS?! Just how selfish and egotistical can one be?! 

 

What they are pushing for is for France to adopt a blasphemy law.

You can always submit to the Muslim World, today for cartoons, tomorrow for gender equality,  may girls sit next to boys in classrooms, what do you teach abouit Israël,  etc.. the cartoon is just a pretext, a Trojan horse 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Opl

[Susco]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

How many authors can you provide calling for more such attacks?

 

Try Erdogan and Mahathir, they speak for millions of their followers

[Pattaya Spotter]

15 hours ago, webfact said:

It was not immediately clear what the motive was for the Nice attack, or if there was any connection to the cartoons, which Muslims consider to be blasphemous.

Because shouts of Allahu Akbar by the assailant after the attack (as reported by the Mayor of Nice) leave one in doubt as to a motive.

[Thorgal]

6 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Other news agencies are reporting the knife-wielding attacker shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is Greatest).

 

French police studies reported a sad trend of average 120 daily stabbings for the last 3 years.

The attacker from OP is for sure accountable for 3 of the average 120 daily stabbings.

From a criminology POV you will continue to result in the average of 120 stabbings per day in France with or without the negative influx of migration and radical Islamists.

[phantomfiddler]

There is only one way to stop this behavior, and that is to make the result more severe than the initial crime. Every time it happens, deport 100 Muslim immigrants back to where they came from. Just round them up in arbitrary fashion and ship them out. Show them who is really running the country.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, car720 said:

Figures like these are too easily misinterpreted.  When I was a lad China only had 500 million people.  Now 1500 million.  India only had 100 million but now 1100  million.

 

As with Tibet, PRC has a policy of Han migration to Xinjiang to dominate / oppress local culture,

 

As a matter of detail, in 1951 India had a population of approx 360 million, now about 1,380 million