Are Trump's rallies spreading coronavirus? Why it's hard to know the full impact

[Walker88]

6 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

The ridiculous double standards of the left are obvious to everyone except the left. 

 

All for vacuous ignorant fear mongering for a virus with a 99.6 %survival rate, unless you have known health problems. 

 

Research on Covid-19 remains in its infancy, but recent research has many experts now calling it a vascular, and not a pulmonary disease.

 

There is a worrying body of evidence that people who catch the virus, even young people who show minimal symptoms, are seeing longer term negative effects as the virus has altered the functioning of everything from organs to brain function to the immune system. Correlations show a rise in such things as Lupus, Diabetes, heart attacks and strokes in what are being termed 'long haulers'.

 

Covid-19 is turning out to be an insidious virus with quite negative long term effects. What first got researchers to pay attention was the damage done to the heart muscles by an extremely fit professional baseball player named Eduardo Rodriquez of the Boston Red Sox.

 

Over time more research will either corroborate or not these worrying indications. In the meantime EVERYONE should take the virus seriously.

 

The research is available online. Here's a few places to start:

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173

 

https://www.tmc.edu/news/2020/09/long-haulers-and-the-lingering-effects-of-covid-19/

 

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/persistent-covid-symptoms.html

[Chiphigh]

6 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

Research on Covid-19 remains in its infancy, but recent research has many experts now calling it a vascular, and not a pulmonary disease.

 

There is a worrying body of evidence that people who catch the virus, even young people who show minimal symptoms, are seeing longer term negative effects as the virus has altered the functioning of everything from organs to brain function to the immune system. Correlations show a rise in such things as Lupus, Diabetes, heart attacks and strokes in what are being termed 'long haulers'.

 

Covid-19 is turning out to be an insidious virus with quite negative long term effects. What first got researchers to pay attention was the damage done to the heart muscles by an extremely fit professional baseball player named Eduardo Rodriquez of the Boston Red Sox.

 

Over time more research will either corroborate or not these worrying indications. In the meantime EVERYONE should take the virus seriously.

 

The research is available online. Here's a few places to start:

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173

 

https://www.tmc.edu/news/2020/09/long-haulers-and-the-lingering-effects-of-covid-19/

 

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/persistent-covid-symptoms.html

 

[Chiphigh]

39 minutes ago, Ireland32 said:

They wear mask Trumper 

Trumper? 

 

What are you, 8 years old? 

 

[Walker88]

2 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

 

So getting Lupus, diabetes, having non-fatal heart attacks and strokes is acceptable.

 

Oh, and losing 5.4% of people named Grampa and Gramma is also acceptable.

 

Perhaps for you, but not for everyone.

[sucit]

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Trumper? 

 

What are you, 8 years old? 

 

Trump acts like it. Just wear a mask or you have no right to complain about any shutdowns.

[Walker88]

Just now, sucit said:

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

 

Perhaps you can post your medical and scientific credentials and match them up against (one of my alma maters) Stanford University.

 

Debate always welcomes opposing voices.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, sucit said:

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

Is your way of thinking about science issues typical of your fellow Trump supporters?

[sucit]

Just now, Walker88 said:

 

Perhaps you can post your medical and scientific credentials and match them up against (one of my alma maters) Stanford University.

 

Debate always welcomes opposing voices.

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, sucit said:

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

It wouldnt be hard if the whitehouse actually allowed contact tracing, but it refuses and tries to keep positive tests secret.

 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/10/5/21502245/trump-coronavirus-covid-19-contact-tracing-white-house-cluster

[sucit]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is your way of thinking about science issues typical of your fellow Trump supporters?

 

I can't stand Trump. But I am partial to facts.

 

I also avoid emotionally based political conclusions. You should try it. 

[sucit]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It wouldnt be hard if the whitehouse actually allowed contact tracing, but it refuses and tries to keep positive tests secret.

 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/10/5/21502245/trump-coronavirus-covid-19-contact-tracing-white-house-cluster

"Have you been to any large gatherings in the recent past". 

 

Get a grip man, it is as simple as that. A major outbreak location would be found in no time. 

 

Anyway, feel free to discuss your emotional and politically derived opinions with your cohorts. 

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, sucit said:

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

And would anyone who had a rudimentary understanding of science make the uncorrobated claim that  "With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured  such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred."?

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, sucit said:

"Have you been to any large gatherings in the recent past". 

 

Get a grip man, it is as simple as that. A major outbreak location would be found in no time. 

 

Anyway, feel free to discuss your emotional and politically derived opinions with your cohorts. 

They can ask and any good person would tell them, but trump told his staff to keep it quiet.

 

what part of that do you not understand.

[stevenl]

59 minutes ago, Jaybott said:

No.  The ones where 5 or 6 people show up.

 

And lets not forget about the Hollywood Elite (will be referred to as the Hollywood Aristocracy under a Harris-Biden administration):

 

Undeterred by an ongoing pandemic, Kim Kardashian West has revealed she threw a party for herself and dozens of friends on a private island that swapped social distancing for dancing, bike-riding and swimming with whales. 

 

 

You really couldn't find an example of Biden supporters, again portraying trumpists as dumb ????.

[Walker88]

9 minutes ago, sucit said:

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

That is what Stanford did.

 

As for other mass gatherings, such as the protests, collected data on those shows they were not Superspreader events, likely because most everyone wore masks. I posted the graph of that data, a joint study by Harvard, Rutgers, Northeastern and Northwestern, in response to an earlier post.

 

45's rallies seem particularly effective at spreading the virus. Also, looking at data in the Dakotas, where infection rates are running way above the national average, apparently a result of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. The national 7-day average of new reported cases, per 100,000 people, is 25. In North Dakota it is 139 and in South Dakota is 134.  Pictures from the Sturgis event show almost no one wearing a mask.

[Phoenix Rising]

Of course his rallies are spreading the virus, as well as stupidity, filth and lies

[Airalee]

Let’s do a headcount 

 

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Let’s do a headcount 

 

Which one was organised by the president and which one was not.

 

Who makes fun of anyone wearing a mask.

[Walker88]

24 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

I will take the common sense approach by Dr Harvey Risch of Yale and Dr. Stephen m Smith. 

 

No reason for the ridiculous overreaction to covid19 

 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/pandemic-book-publishes-fauci-challenge/article_36d02fb6-0fc1-11eb-85b4-1f5c3b583f76.html

What you call an 'overreaction' is what the vast majority of medical experts recommend, despite the two names you noted. Besides the fact Covid is killing at a much faster rate than normal flu, it is overwhelming the medical system. Every physician or team of physicians who must treat Covid patients is unavailable to address other regularly recurring maladies such as cancer, stroke, heart attack, accidents, etc. When hospital beds are filled with Covid patients already, other patients go without, whether needing non-elective treatment or elective treatment. That means people who might otherwise be saved die.

 

The US is now tied with the UK as the 3rd worst per capita death rate from Covid among the 197 countries where Covid has risen, according to figures compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Only Belgium and Spain have a worse record. Obviously the US is doing something terribly wrong, and that stems from the abject failure of 45's Administration to take the virus seriously, even when 45 knew full well (as noted in the Woodward tapes) back as early as February and March. It was astonishingly irresponsible for 45 to continue to call a virus he admiited to Woodward was both airborne and quite deadly, a "Democratic Hoax".

 

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Walker88

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

What you call an 'overreaction' is what the vast majority of medical experts recommend, despite the two names you noted. Besides the fact Covid is killing at a much faster rate than normal flu, it is overwhelming the medical system. Every physician or team of physicians who must treat Covid patients is unavailable to address other regularly recurring maladies such as cancer, stroke, heart attack, accidents, etc. When hospital beds are filled with Covid patients already, other patients go without, whether needing non-elective treatment or elective treatment. That means people who might otherwise be saved die.

 

The US is now tied with the UK as the 3rd worst per capita death rate from Covid among the 197 countries where Covid has risen, according to figures compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Only Belgium and Spain have a worse record. Obviously the US is doing something terribly wrong, and that stems from the abject failure of 45's Administration to take the virus seriously, even when 45 knew full well (as noted in the Woodward tapes) back as early as February and March. It was astonishingly irresponsible for 45 to continue to call a virus he admiited to Woodward was both airborne and quite deadly, a "Democratic Hoax".

 

 

Apparently the latest chant at Trump rallies is "Fire Fauci", and Trump is telling his supporters to wait until after the election. A more classic case of shooting the messenger is hard to find.

As I write, there are 3.1 million active cases of COVID-19 in America. The number is rising every day. While I don't know what percentage of the active cases are taking up hospital beds, it's bound to be a big number, bearing in mind private hospitals won't admit patients unless they have adequate funds to pay.

BTW, where is Trump's healthcare plan? Doesn't rate a mention on the campaign trail.

[newnative]

2 hours ago, sucit said:

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

      Absolutely!   The whole debate is pointless.  It was hammered home for any thinking person after the Tulsa event.  Herman Cain died, for heaven sakes after attending.  Any caring, feeling, thinking person would have said to himself, "I have a person's death on my hands" and immediately called a halt to large, public gatherings after that.  Incomprehensible that the President continued--and continues--to hold super-spreader events after Tulsa.  Just does not give a s**t about anybody but himself.

[puipuitom]

a 234.567 deaths, a 9.302.271 confirmed cases of which 5.567.985 are recovered... who cares ? ( For sure not the US President and his administration ) see https://www.bing.com/search?q=corona+casualties+usa&cvid=afd2351f035b4bc688691ec22012cea7&pglt=547&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=U531 

To compare: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war 

Edited November 2, 2020 by puipuitom

[Rimmer]

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[Fat is a type of crazy]

I think this shows the absolute weaknesses of Trump.

He has the  ability to point out and exaggerate perceived moral flaws in others but such a weak sense of morality in himself - no care that he is putting the lives of those who support him  at risk;

He has some street smarts but not intellectual smartness - a skill that might have made him realise how unappealing having super spreader events is to anyone with a modicum of decency or common sense. 

He has some energy and vitality but no ability to change the direction of his strategy - months ago he could  have changed direction with covid or at least stopped having ridiculous rallies.

And yet … he still could win. You hear in history about certain historical figures and you wonder how they were so popular. To see one as president, and to see he still has such devotion, is mind boggling. 

[Chiphigh]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

What you call an 'overreaction' is what the vast majority of medical experts recommend, despite the two names you noted. Besides the fact Covid is killing at a much faster rate than normal flu, it is overwhelming the medical system. Every physician or team of physicians who must treat Covid patients is unavailable to address other regularly recurring maladies such as cancer, stroke, heart attack, accidents, etc. When hospital beds are filled with Covid patients already, other patients go without, whether needing non-elective treatment or elective treatment. That means people who might otherwise be saved die.

 

The US is now tied with the UK as the 3rd worst per capita death rate from Covid among the 197 countries where Covid has risen, according to figures compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Only Belgium and Spain have a worse record. Obviously the US is doing something terribly wrong, and that stems from the abject failure of 45's Administration to take the virus seriously, even when 45 knew full well (as noted in the Woodward tapes) back as early as February and March. It was astonishingly irresponsible for 45 to continue to call a virus he admiited to Woodward was both airborne and quite deadly, a "Democratic Hoax".

 

 

Mortality rate is falling by the week. Better understanding of the early therapeutics as well. 

 

The idiotic destruction of people's livelihood and crushing tens of millions of businesses is completely unacceptable. 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

5 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Notice how this biased drivel was never asked when the leftist mob was busy burning looting and marching? 

 

Imagine that ????

I dont think any reasonable person thinks the BLM protests do not spread the virus and Trump rallies do spread the virus. The difference is this: POTUS is organizing the rallies he throws and saying "What about what about what about" does not excuse Trump from being responsible and doing the right thing to protect people and keep their exposure down. And yes, POTUS is held to a different standard....do not apply for the job if you are not willing to be held to the highest of standards.

[jcsmith]

11 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

About to the same degree the Leftists protests spread the Corona-virus.  LOL

Big difference there is that the protestors were mostly wearing masks and often socially distancing. That isn't happening at those rallies. Not to mention the number of cases right now is higher which increases the likelihood of someone near you having it. The U.S. had more than 100,000 cases the other day, up until last week the record was only 80,000.

Edited November 2, 2020 by jcsmith

[Sujo]

If the virus could be killed off by bs then these trump rallies would be the safest place on the planet.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I dont think any reasonable person thinks the BLM protests do not spread the virus and Trump rallies do spread the virus. The difference is this: POTUS is organizing the rallies he throws and saying "What about what about what about" does not excuse Trump from being responsible and doing the right thing to protect people and keep their exposure down. And yes, POTUS is held to a different standard....do not apply for the job if you are not willing to be held to the highest of standards.

Trump holds everyone who opposes him to the highest of standards, said standards slip a long way down when it comes to himself.

If Americans don't come to their senses on November 3, it's going to get ugly for all of us, non-Americans included. As the saying goes in Australia, he's as reliable as a two-bob watch.