UK sees goodwill for Brexit trade deal, open to 'sensible' fishing compromise

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Preferential tariffs continue for eligible developing countries

 

Why is keeping something the same seen as some sort of triumph. There was nothing gained from the Japan deal other than preventing a loss from increased tariffs. And that didn't come free of liability, people are now at risk of their personal data being sold.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-personal-data-japan-trade-deal-b1720360.html

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And, of course, the same applies the other way round and nobody cares what you consider “Democracy” or “a grown adult” to do.  

Losers consent is a core principle of Democracy. Read up on it.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Losers consent is a core principle of Democracy. Read up on it.

As is the right of the opposition to hold, express and campaign for what it believes to be right.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, transam said:

One day you will like something the UK government does instead of trashing everything..

How can you be such an anti-British Brit.......?

 

This current government? As they are drawing closer to a sensible agreement with our largest trading partner; very likely.

 

Yet again, anyone who disagrees with you is anti British!

 

I realise that where you live criticism of the government is, shall we say, discouraged; but here in the UK it is a democratic right we have enjoyed for centuries.

 

 

[7by7]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Nobody cares what you suspect. I would have accepted a Remain victory 100%. Because I am a grown adult who respects Democracy, unlike many Remainers. 

 

Unlike Farage: Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win.

[7by7]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

You seem to think that the EEZ is only concerned with fishing. What rubbish.

 

 

You've got me there! 

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Beyond its (12 mile) territorial waters, every coastal country may establish an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) extending 200 nautical miles (370 km) from shore. Within the EEZ the coastal state has the right to exploit and regulate fisheries, construct artificial islands and installations, use the zone for other economic purposes (e.g., the generation of energy from waves), and regulate scientific research by foreign vessels. Otherwise, foreign vessels (and aircraft) are entitled to move freely through (and over) the zone.

(Source)

As already said, in the 1970s the member states of the then EC agreed to establish a mutual EEZ.

 

In case you haven't noticed, it is fishing rights which are under negotiation. I don't recall any disputes between us and the EU over any of the other activities; unless you know different.

[polpott]

On 11/10/2020 at 2:16 AM, JonnyF said:

 

If we choose to allow a limited number of EU boats to fish in our waters, in exchange for limited access to EU waters with quotas agreed on an annual basis, I fail to see how that is capitulation. Seems sensible to me.

 

But paint it as capitulation if it makes you feel that the UK is failing, just as you wish it to. 

British fishermen sold the majority of their quota to French and Spanish fishermen. If their quota is increased they'll do the same again. Result, French and Spanish fishermen will still fish our waters and land the majority of our catch.

[evadgib]

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UK and Iceland to step up cooperation on fisheries

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This bilateral arrangement follows agreement with Greenland earlier this week.

 

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

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UK and Iceland to step up cooperation on fisheries

 

From your link.

 

"As part of this vision, the UK and Iceland recognise the need to promote responsible fisheries to ensure the long-term conservation and sustainable use of marine resources, and endeavour to use a science-based approach to fisheries and aquaculture management in order to minimise the impacts on the marine environment."

 

Does it mention anything about fishing in each others waters? Its about imposing quotas. Nothing there to see.

 

I was born and raised in a fishing community and remember well both cod wars. Iceland will give us nothing, zilch, nada.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

You've got me there! 

As already said, in the 1970s the member states of the then EC agreed to establish a mutual EEZ.

 

In case you haven't noticed, it is fishing rights which are under negotiation. I don't recall any disputes between us and the EU over any of the other activities; unless you know different.

 

Still missing the point. Oh well, never mind. The UK will be free of the CFP and that changes everything. What do you think the fuss is all about?  

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

From your link.

 

"As part of this vision, the UK and Iceland recognise the need to promote responsible fisheries to ensure the long-term conservation and sustainable use of marine resources, and endeavour to use a science-based approach to fisheries and aquaculture management in order to minimise the impacts on the marine environment."

 

Does it mention anything about fishing in each others waters? Its about imposing quotas. Nothing there to see.

 

I was born and raised in a fishing community and remember well both cod wars. Iceland will give us nothing, zilch, nada.

The ol' 'my Dads a fisherman' is no indication that you can swim...

[tebee]

On 11/10/2020 at 2:52 PM, nauseus said:

 

That is the main problem - for three/four years the Remainers were mismanaging Brexit.

 

I've just had a startling revelation - Teresa May was the most brilliant remainer ever. By defining her impossible red lines and invoking art 50 without any idea of what Brexit meant, she set off a Brexit that was so unstable and unobtainable without wreaking the country that here we are, six weeks before it's due to be delivered and no one still has any idea what it means or how it can be delivered.

 

The government is not ready for it, the country is not ready for it, business is not ready for it. The government is starting  to realize that there is no Brexit that will satisfy anybody and is arguing with itself and me at very well implode. 

 

It's either going to happen, the entire country sinks into chaos, the Conservatives are destroyed for their mismanagement or the whole thing gets abandoned at the last minute.

 

This is what happens when you promise impossible things, there is always the problem when you have to deliver them.

 

 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

I've just had a startling revelation - Teresa May was the most brilliant remainer ever. By defining her impossible red lines and invoking art 50 without any idea of what Brexit meant, she set off a Brexit that was so unstable and unobtainable without wreaking the country that here we are, six weeks before it's due to be delivered and no one still has any idea what it means or how it can be delivered.

 

The government is not ready for it, the country is not ready for it, business is not ready for it. The government is starting  to realize that there is no Brexit that will satisfy anybody and is arguing with itself and me at very well implode. 

 

It's either going to happen, the entire country sinks into chaos, the Conservatives are destroyed for their mismanagement or the whole thing gets abandoned at the last minute.

 

This is what happens when you promise impossible things, there is always the problem when you have to deliver them.

 

 

 

The government is not ready for it, the country is not ready for it, business is not ready for it. The government is starting  to realize that there is no Brexit that will satisfy anybody and is arguing with itself and me at very well implode. 

One thing is for sure, you're not ready for it and you never will be.

Theresas Mays deal would have satisfied the remainers after all it was BRINO, but you chose not to support it, it is no good now crying over spilt milk, you missed your chance, greed got the better of the remainers. They thought that they could overturn the democratic decision that the UK had voted for, and that boat has now sailed, the remainers and only the remainers are the reason why we are where we are today, next time tebee grab your opportunities with both arms, you very rarely get a second chance.

 

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

I've just had a startling revelation - Teresa May was the most brilliant remainer ever. By defining her impossible red lines and invoking art 50 without any idea of what Brexit meant, she set off a Brexit that was so unstable and unobtainable without wreaking the country that here we are, six weeks before it's due to be delivered and no one still has any idea what it means or how it can be delivered.

 

The government is not ready for it, the country is not ready for it, business is not ready for it. The government is starting  to realize that there is no Brexit that will satisfy anybody and is arguing with itself and me at very well implode. 

 

It's either going to happen, the entire country sinks into chaos, the Conservatives are destroyed for their mismanagement or the whole thing gets abandoned at the last minute.

 

This is what happens when you promise impossible things, there is always the problem when you have to deliver them.

 

 

 

Well, after four and a half years, I'm ready for it.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

Well, after four and a half years, I'm ready for it.

Its a shame the rest of the UK is not. 

[Surelynot]

This almost makes me want to vote Tory...

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its a shame the rest of the UK is not. 

The majority is, they told me.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

This almost makes me want to vote Tory...

 

Major - just another reason to leave.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

The majority is, they told me.

Did they aye?

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Major - just another reason to leave.

Another major reason to leave....that's better

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, evadgib said:

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UK and Iceland to step up cooperation on fisheries

 

it appears a trade deal between the UK and South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands is on the making   555

[transam]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

it appears a trade deal between the UK and South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands is on the making   555

Really, Haven't read that, have you a link ?

I hope you have, and are not baiting......????

[BaronVonBangkok]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

This almost makes me want to vote Tory...

 

John Major was the worst Tory PM of the last 40 years, except for Theresa May.

 

They were both extremely duplicitous. It's ironic that he talks about lies and breaking promises. He is lieing about us being told we would stay in the single market, the PM at the time David Cameron made it perfectly clear that we wouldn't. In his personal life, he didn't care too much about lies or breaking the promises he made to his wife when he had a 4 year long extra marital affair with Edwina Curry either. 

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

He is lieing about us being told we would stay in the single market, the PM at the time David Cameron made it perfectly clear that we wouldn't.

Which was decried as "project fear" and Boris Cummings doubled down that we would.

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

Which was decried as "project fear" and Boris Cummings doubled down that we would.

It is what it is now, not 5 years ago, the remainers had their chance, you vote for nothing and you get nothing.

[BaronVonBangkok]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

Which was decried as "project fear" and Boris Cummings doubled down that we would.

The then current PM saying it carried much more weight. Just because you can find someone who said the opposite doesn’t mean we weren’t told. And told by the PM. Millions spent on leaflets to discourage us. 
 

The people were told very clearly. Obama also said we’d be back of the queue. Still people voted leave. Because we wanted to leave.

[Surelynot]

44 minutes ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

 

John Major was the worst Tory PM of the last 40 years, except for Theresa May.

 

They were both extremely duplicitous. It's ironic that he talks about lies and breaking promises. He is lieing about us being told we would stay in the single market, the PM at the time David Cameron made it perfectly clear that we wouldn't. In his personal life, he didn't care too much about lies or breaking the promises he made to his wife when he had a 4 year long extra marital affair with Edwina Curry either. 

Ha....that made me laugh...there has only been four in the last 40 years, excluding the present buffoon .......and your last line?..........."he didn't care too much about lies or breaking the promises he made to his wife"...do you know nothing about Boris Johnson?

[Rookiescot]

32 minutes ago, BaronVonBangkok said:

The then current PM saying it carried much more weight. Just because you can find someone who said the opposite doesn’t mean we weren’t told. And told by the PM. Millions spent on leaflets to discourage us. 
 

The people were told very clearly. Obama also said we’d be back of the queue. Still people voted leave. Because we wanted to leave.

And leave we have.

Now we just have to sort out the mess you got us all into.

[BaronVonBangkok]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And leave we have.

Now we just have to sort out the mess you got us all into.

What is this mess you speak of?

 

I see only sovereignty and self determination.

[Surelynot]

Just now, BaronVonBangkok said:

What is this mess you speak of?

 

I see only sovereignty and self determination.

Essential wear for your average Brexiteer.