2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

We are proposing mutual access, reviewed every 2 or 3 years. Please read the article. I've highlighted the important bits for you. Read the part below slowly, 2 or 3 times.

 

“On fisheries we’ve always been open to doing a sensible approach, looking potentially at agreements that might span a couple, three years for instance,” Eustice said.

 

“The issue will become what are the sharing arrangements, how much mutual access do we allow in one another’s waters and that’s obviously a discussion that will happen annually, but there may also be a partnership agreement that sets out the ground rules as to how we will work on that.”

Its giving in on an issue they held dearly a thing that was a symbol. No matter that it is only for a few years. They are doing what they said they would not. 

 

You mr Brexiteer have always been saying the UK held the upper hand. This shows they did not. So eat some humble pie and accept that you been lied too. Your preconceptions were wrong. 

 

Mine on the other hand were right (unless we see the EU giving in on the one market principle and the state support)

 

I know its hard for you to admit that the Brits are far less powerful then the EU but that is the reality.

 

I do hope a good agreement comes from this would benefit both. Still it both will loose as the way it was (no Brexit) was far better for trade and many other things.

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I am staggered at that sentence......how much mutual access do we allow in one another’s waters.....since when did we need mutual access? Apart from mid-points like the channel..our waters extend for 200 miles.......

 

Johnson is going to cave in...as the remainers always suspected he would....all bluff and bluster...no substance.

 

That's your prediction, nothing else. We'll have to wait and see won't we, we all know about Remainers and their predictions ????.

 

I can understand your desire to claim some kind of victory after constantly losing on pretty much everything since 2016 (or in RookieScots case 2014) but maybe better to wait a while before embarrassing yourself again ????.

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Now that Trump lost and a US trade deal is far far away the UK has to do something to do any meaningful trade at all.

Boris biggest problem right now is that somehow he has to make a deal with the EU and somehow he has to sell this deal like a great deal to his supporters. Now that is a challenge. 

I can hear the music to Mission Impossible playing in the background......should you decide to accept this challenge.....ha.

 

Poor Boris he never signed up to deal with all this ßhit.

Just now, vinny41 said:

Your on a different planet if you enter a set of  negotiations and you are unwilling to Compromise on any points you may as well not bother.

The EU fishing nations have been shouting for a number of years now NO compromise on their fishing demands and they have stated if they don't get 100% of what they want then no fish caught by British boats will be landing in France

The Scottish Fisherman have replied to to the above statement

Brexit fisheries row: Scottish fisherman warns 'not a single French boat will fish in UK'

BREXIT fishing disputes between the UK and France turned hostile when a Scottish fisherman vowed that "not a single French boat" would be allowed into British waters if the French followed through on their own threat.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1357568/brexit-news-fisheries-scottish-fisherman-french-boat-uk-eu-trade-talks-spt

Why would the EU bother giving in ? as I said they hold the cards and the UK does not as this clearly shows.

 

You have no idea how negotiations work, if your in a stronger position you give in less then when your in a weaker position. The UK now wanting to compromise on a thing they held sacred shows they are the weaker party. Just like i always said.

 

That is all but its a slap in the face of the Brexiteers that thought it was the other way around.

1 hour ago, robblok said:

So strange all of a sudden the Brits will compromise on fishing. Maybe they finally realized they need the EU more then the EU needs them. I mean its the symbol of Brexit (as mentioned in the article) and they are giving in.

 

 

Maybe they realized this at the last minute

https://fortune.com/2020/10/15/fishing-rights-brexit-u-k-eu-trade-deal/

 

Just two species—herring and mackerel—account for about half of all fish landed in British ports, and yet U.K. consumers hardly eat them. Two-thirds of British mackerel and most of its herring catch is exported to the EU. In the absence of a deal, these fish would be hit with an additional 15% tariff.

Allowing the people/companies who own fishing rights to exercise those rights seems the perfect ‘fix’.

 

That foreigners bought the fishing rights is something that should have been considered when they were offered up for sale.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Allowing the people/companies who own fishing rights to exercise those rights seems the perfect ‘fix’.

 

That foreigners bought the fishing rights is something that should have been considered when they were offered up for sale.

Yes I mean if a company from an other country bought up rights from a Brit company then that is a private deal. I don't see how a government can make that null and void. Unless of course the Brit company pays back the money they received. 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Allowing the people/companies who own fishing rights to exercise those rights seems the perfect ‘fix’.

 

That foreigners bought the fishing rights is something that should have been considered when they were offered up for sale.

NO NO NO...they are our waters...they are our fish...no one, no one is ever going to fish in our waters ever, never, ever.

 

 

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Now that Trump lost and a US trade deal is far far away the UK has to do something to do any meaningful trade at all.

Boris biggest problem right now is that somehow he has to make a deal with the EU and somehow he has to sell this deal like a great deal to his supporters. Now that is a challenge. 

You see in this topic that the die hards are defending it so selling it to his gullible supporters won't be a problem. They don't seem to mind. In a way they remind me of Trump supporters. Being lied too over and over and still defending the guy.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1358008/Brexit-news-fishing-latest-Michel-Barnier-trade-deal-talks-update-vn

 

I'll just leave this here ????

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1358008/Brexit-news-fishing-latest-Michel-Barnier-trade-deal-talks-update-vn

 

I'll just leave this here ????

1. It's the Express....so it must be true.

 

2. I can hear quite a commotion in the cloakroom as people go to get their coats.

45 minutes ago, robblok said:

Those fishing deals don't interest me and I don't mind the Brits getting a good deal on that. I am more concerned about the one market and level playing field (as in no state support for companies that trade with EU as its unfair). 

 

Compromise was not always part of the deal the Brits were constantly saying (bluffing) about no deal. Now they finally admit they don't have the upper hand and are bending. 

 

 

Seems you know nothing about playing ones cards right........????

That's why suckers lose on a regular basis.....

Just now, transam said:

Seems you know nothing about playing ones cards right........????

That's why suckers lose on a regular basis.....

And you call me anti British?

Calling the UK suckers?

1 minute ago, transam said:

Seems you know nothing about playing ones cards right........????

That's why suckers lose on a regular basis.....

So reminiscent of a loser who has been in the news lately.....pending legal action of course (the standard recourse for a loser)

1 hour ago, robblok said:

No I am anti Brexit not a Brit hater.

 

But I have been saying all along the EU is the more powerful party. You and others have continuously said it was not true. So this is just a vindication and shows the Brits were bluffing. I mean they are now giving up on a thing that is really important and a symbol of Brexit.

 

Just shows that all that barking was just that barking and no bite.

 

Maybe its time for those people who kept saying it would be an easy deal and the Brits don't need the EU to eat some humble pie instead of attacking me. 

 

I could not care less about fisheries, the one market and its level playing field is far more important. I have said in quite a few posts that the Brits have every right for their fishing stuff and i don't begrudge them that. I always said that the one market and its fair playing field is more important to me and that the UK won't get access unless they bend. 

"Anti Brexit not a Brit hater", have you forgotten your posts already.....?  ????

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's attitudes like yours that cause so many problems.

Whom exactly is his attitude causing “many problems”? 
 

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Instead you take the line "hahah I knew we were bigger and better than you. Now your are surrendering to the mighty EU hahahahah". It's such an immature and childish attitude, hardly conducive to a mature debate and a positive outcome, but sadly typical of TV's very own resident Brit hater ????.

You built Brexit on a pile of lies, manipulation and verbal abuse towards the EU. You deserve every bit of Schadenfreude. Im neither a Brit nor a Brit hater. I’m not even against Brexit itself. I may even have wished you good luck had Brexit been a honest act of democracy by decent people and not the product of populists and their lies. But then we all know that Brexit was only be possible in the first place because of cheating the electorate and providing the hate filled rhetoric that the rest of them needs to vote for (in fact: against) something. 

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Seems you know nothing about playing ones cards right........????

That's why suckers lose on a regular basis.....

What cards have the Brits played right ? They are capitulating. 

 

But lets see what happens to the (IMHO) more important things like the one market with level playing field (no state support) and standardization. I cannot imagine the EU budging on that one. I guess BJ will throw the towel in the ring there too.

 

You do remember all the things your PM has said and what he has actually achieved ?

23 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its giving in on an issue they held dearly a thing that was a symbol. No matter that it is only for a few years. They are doing what they said they would not. 

 

You mr Brexiteer have always been saying the UK held the upper hand. This shows they did not. So eat some humble pie and accept that you been lied too. Your preconceptions were wrong. 

 

Mine on the other hand were right (unless we see the EU giving in on the one market principle and the state support)

 

I know its hard for you to admit that the Brits are far less powerful then the EU but that is the reality.

 

I do hope a good agreement comes from this would benefit both. Still it both will loose as the way it was (no Brexit) was far better for trade and many other things.

You're just smarting as negotiations are making headway...Never mind, chill out....

1 minute ago, transam said:

You're just smarting as negotiations are making headway...Never mind, chill out....

Yes the negotiations are making headway because the Brits are giving in. As was expected. Funny that you try to dress it up like a victory. I have always said the EU holds the cards the Brits don't. 

 

Your PM said something else and if that was true.. why give in ?

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And you call me anti British?

Calling the UK suckers?

You see, you don't understand a post, spend more time thinking instead of "liking" those across the channel....

But then twisting is the name of the game for some of you. Now let me explain it for you...

 

"That's why suckers lose on a regular basis".......CARD PLAYERS.........????

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

You do remember all the things your PM has said and what he has actually achieved ?

Oh come on...that's too easy...give us a more difficult one.

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

What cards have the Brits played right ? They are capitulating. 

 

But lets see what happens to the (IMHO) more important things like the one market with level playing field (no state support) and standardization. I cannot imagine the EU budging on that one. I guess BJ will throw the towel in the ring there too.

 

You do remember all the things your PM has said and what he has actually achieved ?

Amazing....????

1 minute ago, transam said:

Amazing....????

Yes its truly amazing how little substance your posts have. 

26 minutes ago, robblok said:

Why would the EU bother giving in ? as I said they hold the cards and the UK does not as this clearly shows.

 

You have no idea how negotiations work, if your in a stronger position you give in less then when your in a weaker position. The UK now wanting to compromise on a thing they held sacred shows they are the weaker party. Just like i always said.

 

That is all but its a slap in the face of the Brexiteers that thought it was the other way around.

If the EU hold all the cards then why are they bothering with negotiations, Why not just state this is the deal UK accepted it or walkway

 No negotiations No Compromises

I have seen many  large multinational companies where they have tried to takeover a smaller company ,sometimes they will offer double the value of the company but if the majority shareholder decides the deal is not for them the offer gets rejected simple

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes the negotiations are making headway because the Brits are giving in. As was expected. Funny that you try to dress it up like a victory. I have always said the EU holds the cards the Brits don't. 

 

Your PM said something else and if that was true.. why give in ?

Dress it up as a victory, what are you smoking......I don't think you have a clue about negotiating...

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You see, you don't understand a post, spend more time thinking instead of "liking" those across the channel....

But then twisting is the name of the game for some of you. Now let me explain it for you...

 

"That's why suckers lose on a regular basis".......CARD PLAYERS.........????

 

Given how much Johnson loves it I thought I would find a few key words for him to use in his next speech regarding Brexit.

harundineo atque confracto Aegypto

Thats latin for bluff and bluster.

 

 

in deditionem acceptos

Thats latin for capitulation.

 

et maerebunt piscatores et vendidit

Thats latin for sold out the fishermen. 

 

 

nullum ius iudiciumque

Thats latin for no sovereignty.

 

???? 

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes its truly amazing how little substance your posts have. 

Really, sounds like you are disappointed about something today, move on chap.....

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Given how much Johnson loves it I thought I would find a few key words for him to use in his next speech regarding Brexit.

harundineo atque confracto Aegypto

Thats latin for bluff and bluster.

 

 

in deditionem acceptos

Thats latin for capitulation.

 

et maerebunt piscatores et vendidit

Thats latin for sold out the fishermen. 

 

 

nullum ius iudiciumque

Thats latin for no sovereignty.

 

???? 

How entertaining, is that Scottish.........?.

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

If the EU hold all the cards then why are they bothering with negotiations, Why not just state this is the deal UK accepted it or walkway

 No negotiations No Compromises

I have seen many  large multinational companies where they have tried to takeover a smaller company ,sometimes they will offer double the value of the company but if the majority shareholder decides the deal is not for them the offer gets rejected simple

Why are they bothering with negotiations, to benefit all. The EU also has something to lose but the UK has more to lose so the EU holds the cards. Totally different from what Brexiteers seem to think. 

 

The EU is the more powerful one in these negotiations but the Brexiteers seemed to think otherwise. 

 

Thing is the EU is not ruled by populists like the UK, so one can expect more wisdom and less bluster. So far the UK has been barking huffing and puffing with no results and then giving in.

 

Anyway I hope for a deal as it will benefit all. As long as they don't compromise the one market principle (and they wont) I am ok with whatever comes out of this.

2 minutes ago, transam said:

How entertaining, is that Scottish.........?.

Us Scots seem to think Johnson is a bit of an amadan ????