1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

 

In other threads I see previous hardcore Trump fanboys now being either very quiet, and quite a few now saying they actually disliked Trump.

 

I think it will take another 4 days before a similar thing will happen in the Brexit threads, and i have a few names in mind already

Roy Rogers, Monty Python, Bill & Ben Garden, Andy Pandy.....?   ????

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1358008/Brexit-news-fishing-latest-Michel-Barnier-trade-deal-talks-update-vn

 

I'll just leave this here ????

 

Somehow, I doubt that.

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Given how much Johnson loves it I thought I would find a few key words for him to use in his next speech regarding Brexit.

harundineo atque confracto Aegypto

Thats latin for bluff and bluster.

 

 

in deditionem acceptos

Thats latin for capitulation.

 

et maerebunt piscatores et vendidit

Thats latin for sold out the fishermen. 

 

 

nullum ius iudiciumque

Thats latin for no sovereignty.

 

???? 

 

Did you google translate blow up after getting all that sutores together?

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Why are they bothering with negotiations, to benefit all. The EU also has something to lose but the UK has more to lose so the EU holds the cards. Totally different from what Brexiteers seem to think. 

 

The EU is the more powerful one in these negotiations but the Brexiteers seemed to think otherwise. 

 

Thing is the EU is not ruled by populists like the UK, so one can expect more wisdom and less bluster. So far the UK has been barking huffing and puffing with no results and then giving in.

 

Anyway I hope for a deal as it will benefit all. As long as they don't compromise the one market principle (and they wont) I am ok with whatever comes out of this.

 

The powerful one? Mourinho for next Commission President.

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

 

In other threads I see previous hardcore Trump fanboys now being either very quiet, and quite a few now saying they actually disliked Trump.

 

I think it will take another 4 days before a similar thing will happen in the Brexit threads, and i have a few names in mind already

 

They're quiet? That's absolutely shocking. Maybe they have accepted the Democratic process and result like grown-up adults?

 

What would you prefer, they spend the next 4 years arguing that they should re-run the election, launching legal battles, making childish insults and baseless accusations to Biden supporters like the Remainers did when they lost? ????

 

Sounds like the Trump supporters are showing a lot more humility and maturity than Remainers did.

 

I guess, given the warning shots from Biden over the Good Friday Agreement, Boris now has two choices.  Either agree a trade deal with the EU and abide by the WA, or seriously jeopardise any chance of a favourable trade deal with the USA.

 

Good to see our esteemed PM in control, as always. ????

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Why not say "That's good the UK has compromised, maybe the EU can compromise a bit as well now and we can reach a deal"?

Why not tell the truth, Trump has been compromised and left Bojo up the creek desperate for a paddle. Time to fish out a new plan.

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Why not tell the truth, Trump has been compromised and left Bojo up the creek desperate for a paddle. Time to fish out a new plan.

 

Frankly, you wouldn't know the truth it was attached to a haddock and used to slap you in the chops.

 

The EU have their own problems with the US. You could just as well argue that the escalating trade tensions between the US and the EU make the EU increasingly need a deal with the UK.

 

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I have always said that I prefer a mutually beneficial FTA (as long as there is no level playing field and no ECJ jurisdiction). If we can't get an FTA without all those unrealistic EU strings attached then I am perfectly OK with No Deal.

Every trade deal must come with dispute resolution, often referred to as governance. Dealing with the EU and the ECJ would be a walk in the park compared to the US method, ISDS.

The EU Canada deal involved setting up a new bespoke court arrangement for the deal. It is far to late for the UK to get a similar arrangement so options are extremely limited.

If the UK had really wanted a deal they would have come to an agreement much sooner, now it is effectively a take it or leave it scenario. 

 

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

I guess, given the warning shots from Biden over the Good Friday Agreement, Boris now has two choices.  Either agree a trade deal with the EU and abide by the WA, or seriously jeopardise any chance of a favourable trade deal with the USA.

 

Good to see our esteemed PM in control, as always. ????

Yes, you're right, you guessed....

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

They're quiet? That's absolutely shocking. Maybe they have accepted the Democratic process and result like grown-up adults?

 

What would you prefer, they spend the next 4 years arguing that they should re-run the election, launching legal battles, making childish insults and baseless accusations to Biden supporters like the Remainers did when they lost? ????

 

Sounds like the Trump supporters are showing a lot more humility and maturity than Remainers did.

 

So you’d be willing to give the remainers another vote in 4 years, same as Trump voters will get another vote in 4 years? And you’re not suggesting that until then, Trump supporters aren’t allowed to campaign because that would mean “not accepting the Democratic will of the people”? 
 

Come on, you can do better analogies. 

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Frankly, you wouldn't know the truth it was attached to a haddock and used to slap you in the chops.

 

The EU have their own problems with the US. You could just as well argue that the escalating trade tensions between the US and the EU make the EU increasingly need a deal with the UK.

 

 

 

With Biden as POTUS, the EU will have a friend and ally in him, as they did when he was VP in Obama's presidency.  He has a very good, long established relationship with Merkel.  The UK, outside of the EU, with no trade deal and with Johnson as PM, is going to struggle to compete with the EU. 

 

But let's see just how kamikaze Johnson is when it comes to the crunch!  

7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So you’d be willing to give the remainers another vote in 4 years, same as Trump voters will get another vote in 4 years? And you’re not suggesting that until then, Trump supporters aren’t allowed to campaign because that would mean “not accepting the Democratic will of the people”? 
 

Come on, you can do better analogies. 

Are you aware of the difference between referendums and General Elections? Are you seriously suggesting we vote on Brexit every 4 years and leave the EU and rejoin every 4 years based on the result?????

 

It is your analogy that lacks credibility, not mine.

 

It took decades to get the referendum on Brexit and we voted leave and have left. 30 years seems to be the precedent on these things, so I'd be open to a Rejoin referendum in say, 2046 if there was an appetite for one.

3 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

 

With Biden as POTUS, the EU will have a friend and ally in him, as they did when he was VP in Obama's presidency.  He has a very good, long established relationship with Merkel.  The UK, outside of the EU, with no trade deal and with Johnson as PM, is going to struggle to compete with the EU. 

 

But let's see just how kamikaze Johnson is when it comes to the crunch!  

 

That dispute has been ongoing for 16 years, throughout Obama's reign while Biden was VP. 

 

It's an oversimplification to assume that all the issues will disappear now because Biden claims to be connected to his Irish heritage.

 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Are you aware of the difference between referendums and General Elections?

Yes, elections are binding, referendums are advisory only. 
 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Are you seriously suggesting we vote on Brexit every 4 years and leave the EU and rejoin every 4 years based on the result?????

It was your analogy. Not mine. 

 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It is your analogy that lacks credibility, not mine.

I’m afraid you’re wrong. 
 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It took decades to get the referendum on Brexit and we voted leave and have left. 30 years seems to be the precedent on these things, so I'd be open to a Rejoin referendum in say, 2046 if there was an appetite for one.

I’m afraid no one cares about what you think is the right time. Would a future government even need a referendum? Would they even need parliament? 

bojo cant bend over on fishing as the tories will be finished for not adhering to the voters wishes..farage will get boosted

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

I guess, given the warning shots from Biden over the Good Friday Agreement, Boris now has two choices.  Either agree a trade deal with the EU and abide by the WA, or seriously jeopardise any chance of a favourable trade deal with the USA.

 

Good to see our esteemed PM in control, as always. ????

 "Warning shots from Biden", just because his great grandfather was Irish and left the Emerald Isles a 150 years ago doesn't make him Irish, and he doesn't have any more right than Kim Jong Un to tell us what to do with the UK. 

You make it sound like we can either be blackmailed by the EU or the USA, neither seem an acceptable choice to me.

But the irony of all this is that the remainers could have had a soft Brexit 2 years ago, Mays deal, it was more or less Jeremy Corbyns dream deal, but he put bringing down the government more important than accepting it, your boat has sailed, you snooze, you lose.????

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That dispute has been ongoing for 16 years, throughout Obama's reign while Biden was VP. 

 

It's an oversimplification to assume that all the issues will disappear now because Biden claims to be connected to his Irish heritage.

 

 

Biden brings a new approach and will be building bridges rather than blowing them up as Trump did.  Of course there will be sticking points but you have to look at the bigger picture.  And it will be up to the EU to step up to the plate as well.  Biden (like Obama) will want to see less waffle and more action.  There isn't going to be an overnight healing of past conflicts but both sides need each other now more than ever before.

 

Biden may be old and a bit absent minded but will be no pushover as he surrounds himself with a strong team.

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

 "Warning shots from Biden", just because his great grandfather was Irish and left the Emerald Isles a 150 years ago doesn't make him Irish, and he doesn't have any more right than Kim Jong Un to tell us what to do with the UK. 

You make it sound like we can either be blackmailed by the EU or the USA, neither seem an acceptable choice to me.

But the irony of all this is that the remainers could have had a soft Brexit 2 years ago, Mays deal, it was more or less Jeremy Corbyns dream deal, but he put bringing down the government more important than accepting it, your boat has sailed, you snooze, you lose.????

 

Vogie, you know as well as I do that Americans have a very whimsical view of their origins, all claiming their heritage, no matter how tentative it may be.  Biden has said many times that he is proud of his Irish heritage.

 

But you are still flogging that long dead horse with your referrals to "remainers" and "soft  Brexits".  Time to move on, we all have long ago.  It is all about the final result of this chaotic farce being orchestrated by Boris. 

 

8 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

 

Vogie, you know as well as I do that Americans have a very whimsical view of their origins, all claiming their heritage, no matter how tentative it may be.  Biden has said many times that he is proud of his Irish heritage.

 

But you are still flogging that long dead horse with your referrals to "remainers" and "soft  Brexits".  Time to move on, we all have long ago.  It is all about the final result of this chaotic farce being orchestrated by Boris. 

 

Well if the Americans want to be whimsical about their heritage, I reserve my right to claim my Viking heritage. It's a load of nonsense, are we doing deals with the Leprechauns now, if Biden wishes to hang the proverbial Sword of Damocles over our heads we will have no option but to leave devoid of a deal, even you surely wouldn't want to be negotiating under such duress.

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

 "Warning shots from Biden", just because his great grandfather was Irish and left the Emerald Isles a 150 years ago doesn't make him Irish, and he doesn't have any more right than Kim Jong Un to tell us what to do with the UK. 

You make it sound like we can either be blackmailed by the EU or the USA, neither seem an acceptable choice to me.

But the irony of all this is that the remainers could have had a soft Brexit 2 years ago, Mays deal, it was more or less Jeremy Corbyns dream deal, but he put bringing down the government more important than accepting it, your boat has sailed, you snooze, you lose.????

As for your comment with me making it sound as if we can be either blackmailed by the EU or the USA.  Glad you didn't miss that.  It is another example of just how cleverly Johnson positions himself politically.  Sucking up to Trump when he knew an election was imminent and that Trump would probably lose.

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

As for your comment with me making it sound as if we can be either blackmailed by the EU or the USA.  Glad you didn't miss that.  It is another example of just how cleverly Johnson positions himself politically.  Sucking up to Trump when he knew an election was imminent and that Trump would probably lose.

"Sucking up to Trump" your words, many would have called it diplomacy.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

They're quiet? That's absolutely shocking. Maybe they have accepted the Democratic process and result like grown-up adults?

 

What would you prefer, they spend the next 4 years arguing that they should re-run the election, launching legal battles, making childish insults and baseless accusations to Biden supporters like the Remainers did when they lost? ????

 

Sounds like the Trump supporters are showing a lot more humility and maturity than Remainers did.

 

 

 

Thanks for your reply, and I hadn't expect a different answer from a Brexiteer actually.

 

36 minutes ago, vogie said:

 "Warning shots from Biden", just because his great grandfather was Irish and left the Emerald Isles a 150 years ago doesn't make him Irish, and he doesn't have any more right than Kim Jong Un to tell us what to do with the UK. 

You make it sound like we can either be blackmailed by the EU or the USA, neither seem an acceptable choice to me.

But the irony of all this is that the remainers could have had a soft Brexit 2 years ago, Mays deal, it was more or less Jeremy Corbyns dream deal, but he put bringing down the government more important than accepting it, your boat has sailed, you snooze, you lose.????

The Chinese have already been dictating UK decisions on nuclear energy and the US has dictated UK taxation policy towards online businesses.

 

As for who’s losing and what they are losing, perhaps we’ll find out soo enough.

 

It’s been four years of the Brexiteers who are managing Brexit dithering, oddly this weeks news from Washington has given the UK cause to be a lot more amenable.

 

At last some Brexit certainty, Donny hasn’t got your back.

 

 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

They're quiet? That's absolutely shocking. Maybe they have accepted the Democratic process and result like grown-up adults?

 

What would you prefer, they spend the next 4 years arguing that they should re-run the election, launching legal battles, making childish insults and baseless accusations to Biden supporters like the Remainers did when they lost? ????

 

Sounds like the Trump supporters are showing a lot more humility and maturity than Remainers did.

 

I suggest you wait to see what happens after Biden takes office.

 

The removal of a few ‘redactions’ is going to shed a bright light on some very dark matters.

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

I guess, given the warning shots from Biden over the Good Friday Agreement, Boris now has two choices.  Either agree a trade deal with the EU and abide by the WA, or seriously jeopardise any chance of a favourable trade deal with the USA.

 

Good to see our esteemed PM in control, as always. ????

Yes, Biden the plastic Irishman issuing warnings around the GFA. I think he's been to Ireland once in all his 78 years, and that was only as part of his job under Obama. 

At least Scotsman Donald Trump actually goes to Scotland ????????????????????????????????

 

Biden's attention seeking around the GFA will do as much good as Obama's 'back of the queue' comments. 

 

23 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Fishing alone contributed just 0.03% of British economic output in 2019, but many Brexit supporters see it as a symbol of the regained sovereignty they say leaving the EU should bring. Combined with fish and shellfish processing, the sector makes up 0.1% of Britain’s GDP.

so 0.1% of UK  GDP is more important then the all financial sector that's moving out of the UK 555  .....

bite off (one's) nose to spite (one's) face 555

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, Biden the plastic Irishman issuing warnings around the GFA. I think he's been to Ireland once in all his 78 years, and that was only as part of his job under Obama. 

At least Scotsman Donald Trump actually goes to Scotland ????????????????????????????????

 

Biden's attention seeking around the GFA will do as much good as Obama's 'back of the queue' comments. 

 

When Biden does visit Ireland, and I suspect it might be his first overseas trip as President, the Irish will give him a warm welcome.

 

Something Trump has never had in Scotland, although some of the protester’s language was rather warm.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Chinese have already been dictating UK decisions on nuclear energy and the US has dictated UK taxation policy towards online businesses.

 

As for who’s losing and what they are losing, perhaps we’ll find out soo enough.

 

It’s been four years of the Brexiteers who are managing Brexit dithering, oddly this weeks news from Washington has given the UK cause to be a lot more amenable.

 

At last some Brexit certainty, Donny hasn’t got your back.

 

 

Up to last November it was a remainer parliament, that is where all the dithering was taking place, when Boris took control (less than than a year ago) and got rid of all the dead wood he has turned parliament into a fully functioning establishment, he has performed miracles, give the man some credit.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Up to last November it was a remainer parliament, that is where all the dithering was taking place, when Boris took control (less than than a year ago) and got rid of all the dead wood he has turned parliament into a fully functioning establishment, he has performed miracles, give the man some credit.

The only things Johnson’s administration have excelled at are : Lies, U-Turns, Incompetence and lining the pockets of their chums with vast quantities of taxpayer ‘s money.