Nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won White House, ignoring Trump's refusal to concede: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

Election officials in dozens of states representing both political parties said that there was no evidence that fraud or other irregularities played a role in the outcome of the presidential race, amounting to a forceful rebuke of President Trump’s portrait of a fraudulent election.

Over the last several days, the president, members of his administration, congressional Republicans and right wing allies have put forth the false claim that the election was stolen from Mr. Trump and have refused to accept results that showed Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the winner.

But top election officials across the country said in interviews and statements that the process had been a remarkable success despite record turnout and the complications of a dangerous pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html

Election officials in charge say its a nothing burger. So courts will tell donald and rudy to naff off.

[Phoenix Rising]

GOP governors call out Trump for stalling transition: It's 'very dangerous'

[polpott]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Terrible Biden declaring himself president before the count has finished. This is certainly dividing the country and showing his arrogance. 

With only Arizona and Georgia yet to call. Biden has won the Presidency, he has the numbers.

 

The person showing his arrogance and dividing the country is the one who announced he had won on the first day of the count and is now disputing every legitimate result calling US democracy into question.

[onthedarkside]

A post making unsourced and unattributed claims of extensive voting irregularities has been removed. And any further such posts without credible sourcing and attribution will draw suspensions.

 

[malibukid]

stinks to high heaven

[Traubert]

Pshawww!!

 

It was only 1363 people, how is that representative of 338m? ((c) Thaivisa Forum)

 

Joke there.

[onthedarkside]

A post making false claims about the rules for counting ballots in U.S. federal elections has been removed.

 

Although specific rules vary from state to state, it's not uncommon for mail-in ballots postmarked by election day to be legally received and counted after election day. Likewise, extended post-election deadlines often apply for ballots submitted by service members and expats abroad.

 

[248900_1469958220]

This whole election thing has been a mirror image of the handling of the dreaded Corona virus....lies, misinformation, dodgy stats, virtue signalling, media fear campaigns....government fear campaigns....The two have just complimented each other so well....funny that...

[newnative]

Hopefully the 80% will be listened to, not delusional Trump.

[soalbundy]

Just now, placeholder said:

, "but that does not mean those things should not be investigated, and if no fraud is found, it does not mean that no fraud was committed."

As Donald Rumsfeld once remarked "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." It is to laugh. 

So if you are going to doubt everything, even an investigation What is the point of anything ?  Conspiracy theories being used to cover up the truth.

As Churchill once said, "A lie will travel half way round the world before the truth has put on its trousers"

Some people love the drama of a conspiracy, ignoring people celebrating on the street.

[PatOngo]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Just because Trump did something, does it mean Biden should? Strange logic. 

Get in touch with reality...Trump lost!

[placeholder]

47 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The best part of trump ran down his mothers leg.

 

Gratuitous and cliched insults really don't help the cause.

[Susco]

Mailman Recants Bogus Voter Fraud Allegation That Launched A GOP Conspiracy

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/11/10/mailman-recants-bogus-voter-fraud-allegation-that-launched-a-gop-conspiracy/?src=ilaw&sh=4e2d34b97c05

[AndyFoxy]

8 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

.......and the Republicans accused the Democrats of "not accepting" the 2016 election result.

You don't hear that so much anymore.

And the Democrats couldn’t accept the Trump presidency for four years. Yet they now accuse the Trump administration of not accepting the results. And round and round we go.

 

American political system is a joke.

[Masterton]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And what's wrong with starting a provisional transfer of power? If it turns out Trump wins, no harm done. What are Republicans so afraid of?

 

Why would the Trump administration start a provisional transfer of power when the election is not even over yet ?? Biden has not been certified victory of any states, What an absurd thing to say. In any event, Trump is still president for another 2 months, he is not obligated to start a provisional transfer of anything.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Masterton said:

 

Why would the Trump administration start a provisional transfer of power when the election is not even over yet ?? Biden has not been certified victory of any states, What an absurd thing to say. In any event, Trump is still president for another 2 months, he is not obligated to start a provisional transfer of anything.

I guess you're not aware that in the past that is exactly what has happened. Customarily they don't wait until the counts are certified.

[Skeptic7]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Biden - who needed 270 Electoral College votes to win - had 279 of those votes to 214

It's 290 - 214 and going to 306 - 232 final tally...but who's counting? 

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Why would the Trump administration start a provisional transfer of power when the election is not even over yet ?? Biden has not been certified victory of any states, What an absurd thing to say. In any event, Trump is still president for another 2 months, he is not obligated to start a provisional transfer of anything.

Do you really not understand the workings of a US presidential election? As a Sydneysider I suppose we shouldn't expect you to.

[Masterton]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I guess you're not aware that in the past that is exactly what has happened. Customarily they don't wait until the counts are certified.

 

Oh right of course.... you mean like in the 2000 US election when Gore litigated and re-litigated for 37 days before finally conceding ?  Got it .

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Oh right of course.... you mean like in the 2000 US election when Gore litigated and re-litigated for 37 days before finally conceding ?  Got it .

First off, acquaint yourself with the meaning of "customarily" I'll give you a hint. It doesn't mean "always".Secondly, the Gore Bush situation was very different since both would be new administrations. In this case there is 1 incumbent and 1 potential new President. Very different situations.

Good to see you've dropped the nonsense about the Supreme Court. I guess 3 times is the charm.

Edited November 11, 2020 by placeholder

[Masterton]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

First off, acquaint yourself with the meaning of "customarily" I'll give you a hint. It doesn't mean "always".Secondly, the Gore Bush situation was very different since both would be new administrations. In this case there is 1 incumbent and 1 potential new President. Very different situations.

Good to see you've dropped the nonsense about the Supreme Court. I guess 3 times is the charm.

 

No, as I said before I am not debating it with you any further because you just deflect and ignore any points raised that contradict your narrative . The SC issue is a moot point due to the fact the wording of the constitution is clear and unambiguous and therefore should be an open and shut case. It is not "a take on the constitution", it IS the constitution. 

 

I notice you have not provided a response to my previous question though. If you lot are all so sure Biden won fairly and squarely then why are you not welcoming the opportunity to prove it in court and in recounts etc ??  Interesting... 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

42 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

And the Democrats couldn’t accept the Trump presidency for four years. Yet they now accuse the Trump administration of not accepting the results. And round and round we go.

 

American political system is a joke.

It's not just democrats that could've accept the trump presidency. It's a majority of the people. The trump administration is a joke.

[Jeffr2]

31 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

Why would the Trump administration start a provisional transfer of power when the election is not even over yet ?? Biden has not been certified victory of any states, What an absurd thing to say. In any event, Trump is still president for another 2 months, he is not obligated to start a provisional transfer of anything.

Every previous administration other than the Gore debacle has assisted in the transition at this time. Do some research on why the Gore election was different. Nothing liketoday 

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Masterton said:

 

No, as I said before I am not debating it with you any further because you just deflect and ignore any points raised that contradict your narrative . The SC issue is a moot point due to the fact the wording of the constitution is clear and unambiguous and therefore should be an open and shut case. It is not "a take on the constitution", it IS the constitution. 

 

I notice you have not provided a response to my previous question though. If you lot are all so sure Biden won fairly and squarely then why are you not welcoming the opportunity to prove it in court and in recounts etc ??  Interesting... 

 

 

Well, so much for 3 times is the charm. What is so hard to understand about the fact that a limited number of votes are in question? And even if the Supreme Court disqualifies those votes Biden still wins? 

As for the constitutional issue, I had no idea that you are a constitutional scholar  given that you seem unable to comprehend the relatively simple issue of which votes get counted for sure and which are provisional. So I'm not sure that the following quote is going to do you much good:

"The Constitution assigns to state legislatures the task of establishing voting rules for federal elections. The independent state legislature doctrine takes this allocation of duties to an extreme. In essence, the theory holds that state legislatures alone can set election rules, and no other actors — not state courts, governors, or election officials — can alter them in the slightest, even where they violate the state constitution."

https://www.propublica.org/article/propublicas-guide-to-2020-election-laws-and-lawsuits

 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

No, as I said before I am not debating it with you any further because you just deflect and ignore any points raised that contradict your narrative . The SC issue is a moot point due to the fact the wording of the constitution is clear and unambiguous and therefore should be an open and shut case. It is not "a take on the constitution", it IS the constitution. 

 

I notice you have not provided a response to my previous question though. If you lot are all so sure Biden won fairly and squarely then why are you not welcoming the opportunity to prove it in court and in recounts etc ??  Interesting... 

 

 

As for your silly point about waiting I already did answer it. I said that there would be no harm in enabling the provisional transition and if it turned out Trump won, no harm done. What don't you understand about that?

[candide]

48 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

And the Democrats couldn’t accept the Trump presidency for four years. Yet they now accuse the Trump administration of not accepting the results. And round and round we go.

 

American political system is a joke.

The Democrats accepted the results and contributed to a successful transition.

[onthedarkside]

Posts mischaracterizing the findings of the Mueller report, and replies to hidden posts, have been removed.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Masterton said:

More "unbiased" polling and reporting from Reuters as usual. Nothing to see here folks.

 

Regardless of the media anointing Biden as "president-elect", he has not been certified the winner of ANY of the 50 states yet. There is a process. Whether or not he does actually win the election when all is said and done is of no consequence. The fact is that the election is not over yet, there are states where the votes haven't even been finished counting. The anti Trumpers, of which there are numerous on this forum, can sing dance in the street all you like and try and convince everyone that there is no way Trump can catch up or pass Biden with the amount of votes left to count, but you fail to take into account that there will be recounts and court challenges. And don't be so naive as to think that the claims of fraud and irregularity are "baseless" or that Trump's legal team "don't have any evidence" because they do and plenty of it. Once again the media is lying to you and you are too willing and eager to believe it. 

 

The fat lady has not sung yet. If you are so sure Biden has won, then let the process play out. Because you will look like fools if the results are overturned in court. Even if he wins, it will be 2+ months before he takes office. Just calm down.

 

And don't be so naive as to think that the claims of fraud and irregularity are "baseless" or that Trump's legal team "don't have any evidence" because they do and plenty of it. 

 

So why were the first 7 challenges thrown out of court in several states?

 

When all this is over and he still doesn't win, will you come back and apologise?

Edited November 11, 2020 by billd766
Bad spelling

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

And don't be so naive as to think that the claims of fraud and irregularity are "baseless" or that Trump's legal team "don't have any evidence" because they do and plenty of it. 

 

So why were the first 7 challenges thrown out of court in several states?

 

When all this is oer and he still doesn't win will you come back and apologise?

Of course not. Courts, deep state, all will be blamed.

[Silurian]

If Donald wants a recount in Wisconsin, he will have to pay for it. With a cost of around 2 to 3 Million dollars, will their "now broke/begging for money" organization be able to pay for it? Oh, Wisconsin isn't stupid, they ask for the money up front. I guess we will find out around Nov 18th or so.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Silurian