1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It wasn’t quite that simple though was it?!

 

People also voted on the expectation of what Brexit would deliver, including the small matter of £350,000,000 a week for the NHS.

 

   Where was that stated ?

First that I,ve heard about that

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 Speak to any GCSE and A level teacher next time you are in the UK. You'll find that most parents want their children to go to university rather than learn a trade. Do as I say, not as I do

 

And most school leavers would rather spend three years getting a degree in drama or similar than get their hands dirty.

 

So what would you do; force them into the path you choose for them?

 

   They are starting to realise that they could end up studying for four years at University and not being able to get a decent job , tradesman can be earning £ 1000 a week by the age of 20 , whilst the Uni guy is looking for a job in a shop .

  Fair enough, some Uni guys do go on to get decent jobs , but theres far more graduates than there is jobs 

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   They are starting to realise that they could end up studying for four years at University and not being able to get a decent job , tradesman can be earning £ 1000 a week by the age of 20 , whilst the Uni guy is looking for a job in a shop .

  Fair enough, some Uni guys do go on to get decent jobs , but theres far more graduates than there is jobs 

And of course there is always the option to go pick fruit and veg in the fields now that the dream of stopping immigrants from doing it has come true.

Will you be joining them?

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

And of course there is always the option to go pick fruit and veg in the fields now that the dream of stopping immigrants from doing it has come true.

Will you be joining them?

 

   I wouldnt mind it actually, going back to the UK in summer and doing a bit of farm work , 

19 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Where was that stated ?

First that I,ve heard about that

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I wouldnt mind it actually, going back to the UK in summer and doing a bit of farm work , 

Wire in my friend. Those long hours living in awful conditions for a pittance of a wage will do your constitution a world of good. 

Halcion days.

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   They are starting to realise that they could end up studying for four years at University and not being able to get a decent job , tradesman can be earning £ 1000 a week by the age of 20 , whilst the Uni guy is looking for a job in a shop .

  Fair enough, some Uni guys do go on to get decent jobs , but theres far more graduates than there is jobs 

 

Yes, unemployment amongst graduates in certain subjects is high. Plus vocational training is becoming more popular again. 

 

That is if those wishing such training can find a place! Popularity of vocational training in UK not reflected in funding

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Yes, unemployment amongst graduates in certain subjects is high. Plus vocational training is becoming more popular again. 

 

That is if those wishing such training can find a place! Popularity of vocational training in UK not reflected in funding

Problem is that companies do not want to train or pay tradesmen when they can get a fully trained guy to work as a subcontractor.

Even if he does need a visa.

So Brexit is not going to change that at all.

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I wouldnt mind it actually, going back to the UK in summer and doing a bit of farm work , 

 

Root crops aren't harvested in the summer; they're harvested from September to May; when it's cold and wet. Fancy it?

 

During the last lockdown the government's appealed for furloughed workers to help with the harvest. That worked well; not! British workers reject fruit-picking jobs as Romanians flown in

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Thousands of British workers who responded to a nationwide appeal to help pick fruit and vegetables on farms have rejected job offers, it has emerged.

 

As hundreds of workers are being flown in from Romania to pick lettuce and asparagus, specialist recruitment firms revealed that fewer than 20% of the applicants were either willing or able to take up roles on the farms.

 

The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

 

32 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Yes he did say that, of course he would.

 

But he also said on the 16th May that "he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

I think you will find that Nigel has been campaigning for a referendum since the early 2000's

Even he admitted the chances of a 2nd referendum was next to zero

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And of course there is always the option to go pick fruit and veg in the fields now that the dream of stopping immigrants from doing it has come true.

The pickers can still come (even during the first lockdown they were flown in on special flights) they just cannot live here without qualifying under the immigration act. Just like the seasonal Thai berry pickers in Sweden.

1 minute ago, Whale said:

The pickers can still come (even during the first lockdown they were flown in on special flights) they just cannot live here without qualifying under the immigration act. Just like the seasonal Thai berry pickers in Sweden.

Yes everyone knows that. And its why Brexit will make zero difference to the immigration figures. 

What will change is that instead of these people coming here and doing a job easily there will be more red tape to complete before they can.

But of course cutting red tape and bureaucracy was a major selling point for Brexit.

Then of course there is the extra red tape and bureaucracy of actually getting the produce to our biggest market which is the EU.

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I think you will find that Nigel has been campaigning for a referendum since the early 2000's

 

Early 1990s, actually.

 

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Even he admitted the chances of a 2nd referendum was next to zero

 

Yes; in the Mail on 12th November 2019! And he was boasting, not admitting!

 

In May 2016 he did say in his Mirror interview that "If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." But that's not the same thing.

 

In May 2016 he definitely effectively said that he'd campaign for one if remain won by a narrow victory.

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

 

Nay, nay and thrice nay.

Wonderful fella is our Dom. But so is Boris.

Whats a Brexiteer to do when their two champions of Brexit have a falling out?

Which one should we all rally behind?

 

Or as they say in Latin sunt saginati. 

12 minutes ago, Whale said:

The pickers can still come (even during the first lockdown they were flown in on special flights) they just cannot live here without qualifying under the immigration act. Just like the seasonal Thai berry pickers in Sweden.

 

The Romanians who came last April did so without the need for a visa as we were still in the transition period and so they could use the FoM directive to come here and work.

 

Under that directive EU/EEA farm workers in the UK could finish one job for one employer and take another one with a different employer.

 

From 1/1/21 they, like non EU/EEA nationals at present, will need to obtain, and pay for, a Temporary Worker - Seasonal Worker Visa (Tier 5), which requires a certificate of sponsorship from an employer. They can only work for the employer named on the certificate, so cannot move onto a new one when that job is finished.

 

I have no knowledge of the Swedish immigration rules, but as Sweden is in the EU maybe the EU/EEA national seasonal workers who used to come here will in the future go there!

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Early 1990s, actually.

 

 

Yes; in the Mail on 12th November 2019! And he was boasting, not admitting!

 

In May 2016 he did say in his Mirror interview that "If the remain 2campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." But that's not the same thing.

 

In May 2016 he definitely effectively said that he'd campaign for one if remain won by a narrow victory.

campaigning for one and getting one is completely different , if he has been campaigning for one since the early 1990's it has taken him the best part of 20+ years to achieve that goal

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

campaigning for one and getting one is completely different , if he has been campaigning for one since the early 1990's it has taken him the best part of 20+ years to achieve that goal

 

As someone who was, until last December when all hope of such was lost, a campaigner for a referendum on whether or not to accept the UK/EU deal, I agree; campaigning for one and getting one are completely different!

 

But how does that change what Farage said in May 2016 about a 52/48 win for Remain being "unfinished business?"

 

It doesn't, and his meaning was obvious; if Remain won by such a close margin he would campaign for another referendum.

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16 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

As someone who was, until last December when all hope of such was lost, a campaigner for a referendum on whether or not to accept the UK/EU deal, I agree; campaigning for one and getting one are completely different!

 

But how does that change what Farage said in May 2016 about a 52/48 win for Remain being "unfinished business?"

 

It doesn't, and his meaning was obvious; if Remain won by such a close margin he would campaign for another referendum.

I see REMAINER Lord Adonis has started his campaign to rejoin the EU

REMAINER Lord Adonis has repeated his calls for Britain to rejoin the European Union - but this time demanded ditching the pound and joining the single currency for good measure.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1359819/brexit-news-lord-andrew-adonis-remain-britain-rejoin-european-union-euro-single-currency

 

If it ever happens and Scotland is still part of the UK it will be interesting to see how they would vote

Vote to rejoin the EU as part of the UK and kill off any chance for another scottish independence referendum or vote no in the hope of a scottish independence referendum when Scotland could join the EU as a seperate country

 

 

The people did not vote leave in sufficient numbers which under the law governing referendums required a 55% vote to leave and the vote was only 52%. On top of that the vote was unduly financed by Russian money and big business owners who did not want to have to disclose their hidden wealth in off shore accounts. Extreme right activists, Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage, Trump, and Mari Le Pen as well as Putin, conspired to destroy the EU and leave voters fell for their typical lies and promises of the right. The sight of Nigel Farage on the podium in the United States with far right fascists, Donald Trump and Steve Bannon, shows just how undemocratic the leave campaign has been. Steve Bannon's Cambridge Analytica illegally interfered in the US and UK elections using illegally obtained user's data from social media including Facebook and Twitter. The legal actions to overturn the referendum are still ongoing.

On 4 January 2020, a release of more than 100,000 documents showed how Cambridge Analytica worked in 68 countries. A global infrastructure with operations to manipulate voters on "an industrial scale". The extreme right leaders, Trump, Farage, Mari Le Pen and other extreme right movements, that sought to destroy the EU have been defeated. The EU will be the leader of the free world, being larger than the United States and the UK should rejoin and take its' place in the community. 

8 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I wouldnt mind it actually, going back to the UK in summer and doing a bit of farm work , 

I suspect you’ve never done any.

Oh dear, he's no Brendan Bracken, that's for sure.........     Brendan Bracken ?    

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9 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I see REMAINER Lord Adonis has started his campaign to rejoin the EU

REMAINER Lord Adonis has repeated his calls for Britain to rejoin the European Union - but this time demanded ditching the pound and joining the single currency for good measure.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1359819/brexit-news-lord-andrew-adonis-remain-britain-rejoin-european-union-euro-single-currency

 

If it ever happens and Scotland is still part of the UK it will be interesting to see how they would vote

Vote to rejoin the EU as part of the UK and kill off any chance for another scottish independence referendum or vote no in the hope of a scottish independence referendum when Scotland could join the EU as a seperate country

 

 

 

Not sure a UK reentry to the EU would stop calls for independence.

If Brexit has taught us anything its that the EU is flexible when it comes to constitutional matters. An independent Scotland leaving the UK and the EU? 

I think the EU would offer an extended transition period until Scotland rejoined officially if the terms were OK for both. 

20 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Not sure a UK reentry to the EU would stop calls for independence.

If Brexit has taught us anything its that the EU is flexible when it comes to constitutional matters. An independent Scotland leaving the UK and the EU? 

I think the EU would offer an extended transition period until Scotland rejoined officially if the terms were OK for both. 

One of the sticking points in 2014 was that even if Scotland were (re)admitted to the EU after independence there was no way the terms would be as generous as the UK enjoyed.  With Brexit closing down all the UK rebates etc, that would no longer be a factor.

 

PH

13 hours ago, RayC said:

What on earth are you talking about? Care to be more specific?

No, go back and read your post...

Just now, Phulublub said:

One of the sticking points in 2014 was that even if Scotland were (re)admitted to the EU after independence there was no way the terms would be as generous as the UK enjoyed.  With Brexit closing down all the UK rebates etc, that would no longer be a factor.

 

PH

As I said the terms would have to be acceptable to both sides. I would also like a referendum to decide whether we would (re)join on the conditions offered. 

I do think there remains a lot of goodwill towards Scotland within the EU and its parliament given we voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU so I dont think the conditions for entry would be too onerous.  

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect you’ve never done any.

 

   You dont get to be as rich as I am, without putting the work  hours in 

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   You dont get to be as rich as I am, without putting the work  hours in 

This is the Internet, you can be anything you want to be.

16 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Incorrect anyone that voted leave knew that meant leaving the EU, Leaving the single market and Leaving the customs union

and anyone voting Remain voted on the basis that voting remain was voting for no change

if  and a big IF that was the case why such a fuss wanting a trade deal, leave means leave one hand in front and one covering your rear and not asking for this and for that and more of this and more of that