4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if  and a big IF that was the case why such a fuss wanting a trade deal, leave means leave one hand in front and one covering your rear and not asking for this and for that and more of this and more of that

Trouble with the EU if you don't ask you don't want, and if you do ask you don't get.????

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Trouble with the EU if you don't ask you don't want, and if you do ask you don't get.????

It seems you are at last accepting the U.K. needs to decide what it wants.

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Trouble with the EU if you don't ask you don't want, and if you do ask you don't get.????

again blaming the EU, can't you find anything/anybody else to blame, when somebody asks to leave he/she shouldn't ask for any conditions, he/she should just pack and leave period, no I want this or I want that or I would like this in this color or that color.... MUnited just lost or win (whatever fits you) and left the pitch, they didn't went back and ask for the points to be splitted or did they

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

again blaming the EU, can't you find anything/anybody else to blame, when somebody asks to leave he/she shouldn't ask for any conditions, he/she should just pack and leave period, no I want this or I want that or I would like this in this color or that color.... MUnited just lost or win (whatever fits you) and left the pitch, they didn't went back and ask for the points to be splitted or did they

 

   We have packed up and left, we are now negotiating about future EU/UK relationships

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

again blaming the EU, can't you find anything/anybody else to blame, when somebody asks to leave he/she shouldn't ask for any conditions, he/she should just pack and leave period, no I want this or I want that or I would like this in this color or that color.... MUnited just lost or win (whatever fits you) and left the pitch, they didn't went back and ask for the points to be splitted or did they

But you are totally wrong yet again, I can find somebody else to blame, they are called remainers, you obviously haven't been following my blog have you.

As for Man U, they didn't have to leave the pitch to win, in the old days they had what was called 'Fergie Time', they scored more goals in Fergie Time than in real time, now he has left they are not doing too well, just like the EU will do when the UK leaves.

On 11/14/2020 at 12:31 PM, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No need to when theres an endless flow of Europeans arriving with the saws and hard hat .

  Once that stops, they will have to train youngsters to do the work

The percentage of migrant labour in skilled work is nowhere near as much as the seasonal work, and young people are just not interested in seasonal work.

Friend of mine was made redundant when Stocksbridge steelworks restructured and he took a job feeding fish at the Ladybower farm, did a migrant out of a job. The fish don't eat during the winter so he headed to Thailand for 5 months, every youngster's dream, if only they had worked first. 

7 hours ago, transam said:

No, go back and read your post...

Re-read my post. Your reply still makes no sense.

 

I posted the comment below in reply to someone else, but it applies equally to you.

 

You have no interest in having a debate.

 

I have concluded that this is because you have no evidence and/or a logically consistent argument to back up your premises.

 

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   We have packed up and left, we are now negotiating about future EU/UK relationships

why's that, why on earth does the UK have the right to negotiate anything with the EU, the UK had a good or fantastic deal with the EU but it appears it was not good enough, thus nothing more to add, stop the " I want this and would like that, maybe a little more of that and so on..." just go, leave, don't look back, you had it good and you blew it up, don't blame anybody else but yourselves, nobody forced you to leave, it was decided by your people, the majority it appears, the UK has to leave with their good or bad decisions,  why does the UK wants a future relationship with the EU, I can't understand that one. Many people here at TV are divorced, they or their partner, for whatever reason, decided to separate, I don't think the majority of them/us after separation did went back to our ex partners and ask for a "future" relationship, on the contrary, must of us removed any and all contact information from ex partners, avoiding any potential "future" contact, that's the way it (the majority of time)  works once somebody decided to leave

20 hours ago, vinny41 said:

In the single market means membership access to the single market membership not required

care to explain that one

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

care to explain that one

Both the US and Japan have access to the EU single market

as they are both not members of the single market they don't have to accept 

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

45 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

why's that, why on earth does the UK have the right to negotiate anything with the EU, the UK had a good or fantastic deal with the EU but it appears it was not good enough, thus nothing more to add, stop the " I want this and would like that, maybe a little more of that and so on..." just go, leave, don't look back, you had it good and you blew it up, don't blame anybody else but yourselves, nobody forced you to leave, it was decided by your people, the majority it appears, the UK has to leave with their good or bad decisions,  why does the UK wants a future relationship with the EU, I can't understand that one. Many people here at TV are divorced, they or their partner, for whatever reason, decided to separate, I don't think the majority of them/us after separation did went back to our ex partners and ask for a "future" relationship, on the contrary, must of us removed any and all contact information from ex partners, avoiding any potential "future" contact, that's the way it (the majority of time)  works once somebody decided to leave

Yes, but most of us would not like the ex wife to expect us to sell our souls to the devil just so we can see the children.

We never had a problem with the trading arrangements, but for example, nobody would expect the local newsagent to charge us £50 before we are allowed to enter his shop to buy a packet of Rothmans, and when we question it he says 'well I have another shop that isn't doing too well and I know you wouldn't mind subsidising that shop also. Then we say 'well I'll buy my fags somewhere else' and he says 'if you do I'll cut off your electric' People would soon begin to think that the newsagent is a nasty piece of work now wouldn't they.

Disclaimer: I don't smoke.

56 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Both the US and Japan have access to the EU single market

as they are both not members of the single market they don't have to accept 

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

 

No they don't, another untruth from the leavers.

 

Japan and the US have a trade agreement with the EU, because they have to offer something in return.

 

What the UK has to offer? Oh wait, fish????

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

No they don't, another untruth from the leavers.

 

Japan and the US have a trade agreement with the EU, because they have to offer something in return.

 

What the UK has to offer? Oh wait, fish????

According to you the UK has nothing to offer so why are the EU wasting their time with brexit negotiations why bother trying to get the UK to agree to a level playing field because according to you the UK has nothing to offer.

The UK can't have a  competitive advantage over those operating in other countries as according to you the UK has nothing to offer

18 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Both the US and Japan have access to the EU single market

as they are both not members of the single market they don't have to accept 

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

you are kidding, right? does it maker sense to you for the U to allow the US & Japan free movement of anything without asking for anything in return, where the heck is a market like that as I run there immediately, pity that's what it is, keep dreaming

24 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

you are kidding, right? does it maker sense to you for the U to allow the US & Japan free movement of anything without asking for anything in return, where the heck is a market like that as I run there immediately, pity that's what it is, keep dreaming

Maybe you don't get the difference between being in the single market and access to the single market

If a country is in the single market they have to accept the four freedoms of the single market

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

 

Everyother country that trades with the EU that isn't in the single market has access to the single market without the Four Freedoms of the single market

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Maybe you don't get the difference between being in the single market and access to the single market

If a country is in the single market they have to accept the four freedoms of the single market

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

 

Everyother country that trades with the EU that isn't in the single market has access to the single market without the Four Freedoms of the single market

You conveniently forgot the 5th freedom, which is free of import/export taxes

Edited November 16, 20205 yr by Susco

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Maybe you don't get the difference between being in the single market and access to the single market

If a country is in the single market they have to accept the four freedoms of the single market

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

 

Everyother country that trades with the EU that isn't in the single market has access to the single market without the Four Freedoms of the single market

so you want access like anybody else, without all the goddies/advantages of a member, if that's the case why so much fuss, get out and deal with the EU like any other non member country, pay import/export duties, follow EU safety/health regulations and there you go, no need for any huss and puss

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Maybe you don't get the difference between being in the single market and access to the single market

If a country is in the single market they have to accept the four freedoms of the single market

The "Four Freedoms" of the single market are:

• Free movement of goods
• Free movement of capital
• Freedom to establish and provide services
• Free movement of persons

 

Everyother country that trades with the EU that isn't in the single market has access to the single market without the Four Freedoms of the single market

want to update you on some potential realities you may have oversight

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/may-not-succeed-says-uks-170818163.html

'We may not succeed', says UK's chief Brexit trade negotiator

Charles Hymas

Mon, November 16, 2020, 12:08 AM GMT+7

 

 

UK's chief Brexit negotiator, Lord David Frost leaves the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial strategy on Victoria Street, London, as efforts continue to strike a post-Brexit trade deal.. PA Photo. Picture date: Tuesday November 10, 2020. See P - Aaron Chown/PA Wire

 

 

 

 

 

The UK’s chief negotiator has warned “we may not succeed” in securing a Brexit trade deal as he made a surprise arrival in Brussels for renewed talks.

Lord Frost

18 hours ago, vogie said:

 

Disclaimer: I don't smoke.

You sure?

4 minutes ago, Susco said:

You conveniently forgot the 5th freedom, which is free of import/export taxes

Whenever a EU politican is in the media , when discussing the single market they always mention "The four Freedoms"

Look forward to you providing a link where they are highlighting " The Five freedoms" if you can find one

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Whenever a EU politican is in the media , when discussing the single market they always mention "The four Freedoms"

Look forward to you providing a link where they are highlighting " The Five freedoms" if you can find one

regardless if 4, 5 or 6 freedoms, the UK has no right to any of them, they have to apply duties and follow EU laws/regulations

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

want to update you on some potential realities you may have oversight

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/may-not-succeed-says-uks-170818163.html

'We may not succeed', says UK's chief Brexit trade negotiator

 

 

Charles Hymas

Mon, November 16, 2020, 12:08 AM GMT+7

 

 

UK's chief Brexit negotiator, Lord David Frost leaves the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial strategy on Victoria Street, London, as efforts continue to strike a post-Brexit trade deal.. PA Photo. Picture date: Tuesday November 10, 2020. See P - Aaron Chown/PA Wire

 

 

 

 

 

The UK’s chief negotiator has warned “we may not succeed” in securing a Brexit trade deal as he made a surprise arrival in Brussels for renewed talks.

Lord Frost

And the relevance to my post is zilch

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

regardless if 4, 5 or 6 freedoms, the UK has no right to any of them, they have to apply duties and follow EU laws/regulations

Maybe you are not aware but one of the reasons  the UK left the EU is because they no longer wanted to be a in the single market and the four freedoms that are linked to in the single market

26 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

regardless if 4, 5 or 6 freedoms, the UK has no right to any of them, they have to apply duties and follow EU laws/regulations

Have you heard anything about your tax burden going up yet, now the UK has gone..?

 

I ask because all you talk about is UK problems, let's hear about your possible future problems in the EU... 

 

1 hour ago, transam said:

Have you heard anything about your tax burden going up yet, now the UK has gone..?

 

I ask because all you talk about is UK problems, let's hear about your possible future problems in the EU... 

 

Any increase in tax across the EU is likely to be dwarfed by the increased costs for goods seen by UK consumers. 

 

PH

40 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Any increase in tax across the EU is likely to be dwarfed by the increased costs for goods seen by UK consumers. 

 

PH

That wasn't my question, that is sh_t stirring....????

 

But, I did read something about 750,000,000 euros being needed to bolster things in the EU, who is going to pay for that...?

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Any increase in tax across the EU is likely to be dwarfed by the increased costs for goods seen by UK consumers. 

 

PH

 

The amount of tax on EU goods sold in the UK will increase.

 

Hence EU goods will be comparatively more expensive and UK consumers will start buying their goods from elsewhere. It's a big competitive world out there, lots of countries with cheaper products than the EU. They are not the only shop in the village as they are about to find out.

 

Say GoodBye to Treasure Island. And the Fish. And 10 Billion a year towards the wealth transfer scheme. Maybe they can let Turkey join to plug that gaping hole. ????

 

46 minutes ago, transam said:

That wasn't my question, that is sh_t stirring....????

Not your question, but of just a little bit more relevence to UK inhabitants

 

47 minutes ago, transam said:

But, I did read something about 750,000,000 euros being needed to bolster things in the EU, who is going to pay for that...?

Gosh that IS a big number isn't it.  Sadly for any scare factor, so is the number of people in the EU - about 446,000,000.  So under €2 each.  I think they may be able to manage to find that without the UK.

 

PH

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

The amount of tax on EU goods sold in the UK will increase.

 

Hence EU goods will be comparatively more expensive and UK consumers will start buying their goods from elsewhere. It's a big competitive world out there, lots of countries with cheaper products than the EU. They are not the only shop in the village as they are about to find out.

 

Say GoodBye to Treasure Island. And the Fish. And 10 Billion a year towards the wealth transfer scheme. Maybe they can let Turkey join to plug that gaping hole. ????

 

Nah, Turkey will be too involved in their Cyprus campaign......????

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Hence EU goods will be comparatively more expensive and UK consumers will start buying their goods from elsewhere.

From where?  And how much will the transport costs add?  And the time to reach market for perishables not a concern?  And given just how much is transported by sea, will the UK suddenly find vastly more port capacity?

 

But hey, you knew what you were voting for.

 

PH