As legal blitz flounders, Trump protesters back false election claims

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, fangless said:

Yes!

There was an implied but unanswered question in my post: source for your claim please?

[Salerno]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There was an implied but unanswered question in my post: source for your claim please?

 

Possibly be a long wait given Bloomberg's run for Democrat nomination.

[fangless]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There was an implied but unanswered question in my post: source for your claim please?

Research media holdings, conflict of interest and holders of political office!

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, fangless said:

Research media holdings, conflict of interest and holders of political office!

See the post above yours, how about Bloomberg?

 

I think you're wrong, and I'm not going to do the research for you. You make the claim, please substantiate it.

Edited November 16, 2020 by stevenl

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1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Yeah, like a transition to a Gore presidency would have been a big deal.  All they would have done is move a little furniture.

If you're thinking of a career as a lawyer, don't give up your day job. GSA would be obliged to wait on court decision.

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The President and vice-President are the sole Federal officers exempt from conflict of interest rules.

20 minutes ago, fangless said:

Research media holdings, conflict of interest and holders of political office!

Why conflict of interest rules apply differently to the president

 

Rep. David McKinley has sold his West Virginia engineering and architecture firm, but it still bears his name — and that earned the Republican congressman a rebuke from the House Ethics Committee.

President-elect Donald Trump has built an international property management, real estate and branding business around his name. There appears to be no consequence for that.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conflict-interest-rules-apply-differently-president

 

[polpott]

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please provide proof. That's how this works.

Unless you are Trump or one of his fans, then you can claim voter fraud with zero proof.

[fangless]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The President and vice-President are the sole Federal officers exempt from conflict of interest rules.

Why conflict of interest rules apply differently to the president

 

Rep. David McKinley has sold his West Virginia engineering and architecture firm, but it still bears his name — and that earned the Republican congressman a rebuke from the House Ethics Committee.

President-elect Donald Trump has built an international property management, real estate and branding business around his name. There appears to be no consequence for that.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conflict-interest-rules-apply-differently-president

 

Where does your link mention "media" interest ? It only covers "Business"!

Get real!

[polpott]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Happened in 2000.  Nobody conceded for 37 days while it went through the courts.  We're not even close to 37 days yet.

 

For a very different reason. One state couldn't be called (Florida) and whoever won the state would win the presidency, only a few hundred votes in it. Revolved around chads and was regarded as shambolic at the time.

 

No state was anywhere near as close as that this time and reversing the results of one state would not reverse the outcome.

 

Even though the result of some states was closer last time than this and the winner won exactly the same number of EC seats as this time, Clinton conceded on election night. Trump can say what he wants about "Crooked Hilary" but at least she lost with good grace and didn't drag American democracy through the mud for weeks.

[vandeventer]

15 hours ago, placeholder said:

And why would it be?

If Trump can prove wide spread conspiracy and it is sent to the House, than the house must vote on a state by state counting with each state counting as 1 vote so there are a lot more red states than blue. So Trump wins.

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30 minutes ago, fangless said:

Where does your link mention "media" interest ? It only covers "Business"!

Get real!

Well, tell Michael Bloomberg his media interests aren't a business.

Anyway, here's a more scholarly article.

https://law.emory.edu/ecgar/content/volume-4/issue-special/essays-interviews/conflicts-president-law-trump-presidency.html

Nothing about media there. Why do you persist in pursuing this without providing some definitive support?  Should be easy enough to do a search to back up your claims.

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

If Trump can prove wide spread conspiracy and it is sent to the House, than the house must vote on a state by state counting with each state counting as 1 vote so there are a lot more red states than blue. So Trump wins.

But he can't. No widespread conspiracy. Trump's lawyers have been working on this for months before the election and have since brought at least 10 legal challenges to the results in various states. All have been thrown out due to zero evidence. The lawyers are now severely embarrassed and damaging their own reputations so are deserting the Trump cause like rats leaving a sinking ship.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Unless you are Trump or one of his fans, then you can claim voter fraud with zero proof.

 

I'd remind you that there's no proof Jimmy Hoffa was murdered, either.

 

I'm not a fan of The Donald.  Never have been.  But I want to be 100% sure there was no flaw in the election mechanics, whether that be fraud, negligence, software glitch, hardware fault, hanging chads, or any other.  Which is why I'm glad they're doing a hand recount in Georgia.  If only to assure the country that there was no such issue and the results we got are reflective of the votes of the people.   And if they do find flaws in the Georgia recount, it opens up Pandora's Box in all the states that used the same machinery. 

 

If that takes time, so be it.  The guy's still president until January- either way.  Leaving plenty of time for a transition, even if he waits (like Gore did) for the Supreme Court decision.  

 

 

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I'd remind you that there's no proof Jimmy Hoffa was murdered, either.

 

I'm not a fan of The Donald.  Never have been.  But I want to be 100% sure there was no flaw in the election mechanics, whether that be fraud, negligence, software glitch, hardware fault, hanging chads, or any other.  Which is why I'm glad they're doing a hand recount in Georgia.  If only to assure the country that there was no such issue and the results we got are reflective of the votes of the people.   And if they do find flaws in the Georgia recount, it opens up Pandora's Box in all the states that used the same machinery. 

 

If that takes time, so be it.  The guy's still president until January- either way.  Leaving plenty of time for a transition, even if he waits (like Gore did) for the Supreme Court decision.  

 

 

So if the Georgia recount comes back as no fraud, you will accept the result from all states and declare Biden the winner? Somehow I doubt it.

 

Why haven't you demanded a recount of all states at every election? What's the difference this time? Let me answer that, the man child's petulant inability to accept the result, which is....he lost.

Edited November 16, 2020 by polpott

[impulse]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

So if the Georgia recount comes back as no fraud, you will accept the result from all states and declare Biden the winner? Somehow I doubt it.

 

Why haven't you demanded a recount of all states at every election? What's the difference this time? Let me answer that, the man child's petulant inability to accept the result, which is....he lost.

 

What's the difference this time?  Technology and standardization.  I'll let you Google why that comes into play more than ever.    

 

The results of the election don't hang on what you or I think.  Just my own confidence in the process.  And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

Nice finish, doing the personal name calling thingy.  Really hammers home your position.  Just not your credibility.

 

[CharlieH]

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[heybruce]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 

It didn't.  But the transition to a Bush presidency didn't start until the court case was decided.  Kind like 2020.

 

Let's see what happens after the Georgia hand recount...

 

Regardless of the Georgia hand recount (which Trump is already claiming is a scam  https://www.savannahnow.com/news/20201115/georgia-hand-recount-live-blog-updates-from-day-3-of-presidential-election-recount) Biden has more than enough electoral college votes to win.

[RJRS1301]

9 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Happened in 2000.  Nobody conceded for 37 days while it went through the courts.  We're not even close to 37 days yet.

 

For entirely different reasons and chaos was not being created by incumbent. Try comparing like for like. 

[RJRS1301]

8 hours ago, fangless said:

Great news as it means if he owns it he cannot run for pres again!

And can lie as much as his mental health directs him to. Will he be able to finance even the purchase of a new car though?

[impulse]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Regardless of the Georgia hand recount (which Trump is already claiming is a scam  https://www.savannahnow.com/news/20201115/georgia-hand-recount-live-blog-updates-from-day-3-of-presidential-election-recount) Biden has more than enough electoral college votes to win.

 

Once again. Georgia isn't definitive and it wouldn't change the results.  That's true.  But if the Georgia hand count shows systemic problems, do you figure they'd be limited to Georgia?

 

[simple1]

35 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Once again. Georgia isn't definitive and it wouldn't change the results.  That's true.  But if the Georgia hand count shows systemic problems, do you figure they'd be limited to Georgia?

 

 

Over to you and other trump supporters to now wait for the outcome rather than repeating trump propaganda without any empirical evidence whatsoever. In the meantime trump continue on his campaign to try and destroy the Biden administration. trump repeatedly demonstrates he is not worthy to represent the Office of the President of the USA In the next mid term elections one hopes his disgraceful GOP enabler majority in the Senate are removed to get US back on tract to the "shining city upon a hill". Not a country governed by a man consumed by destructive, divisive grievances.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Once again. Georgia isn't definitive and it wouldn't change the results.  That's true.  But if the Georgia hand count shows systemic problems, do you figure they'd be limited to Georgia?

 

It is extremely unlikely that Georgia, with its Republican, pro-Trump government, will show any kind of "systemic problems" other than a tendency to disenfranchise minority voters. 

 

However since Trump has already started calling the recount a scam, the result won't be definitive for Trump and his supporters unless it over-turns the results of the original count.  This is also extremely unlikely.

Edited November 17, 2020 by heybruce

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9 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I'd remind you that there's no proof Jimmy Hoffa was murdered, either.

 

I'm not a fan of The Donald.  Never have been.  But I want to be 100% sure there was no flaw in the election mechanics, whether that be fraud, negligence, software glitch, hardware fault, hanging chads, or any other.  Which is why I'm glad they're doing a hand recount in Georgia.  If only to assure the country that there was no such issue and the results we got are reflective of the votes of the people.   And if they do find flaws in the Georgia recount, it opens up Pandora's Box in all the states that used the same machinery.

Because it's a sure thing that once Biden's victory is certified the vast majority of those crying foul or potential foul will be satisfied? And all the media that they get their information from like OAN, Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, they will all accept the results and no longer feature tendentious articles alleging fraud? 

[Opl]

""The question that will vex Republicans is whether Trump really does want to run for the presidency again four years down the road. An aggrieved base and untrammeled media access could be the perfect ingredients for such a run. “I am telling you, if he decides to run, there is no Republican primary” for the presidency, says Nunberg, the former adviser."

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/11/16/rage-tweets-and-tv-a-vision-of-a-trump-post-presidency-begins-to-emerge/24693112/

Edited November 17, 2020 by Opl

[Berkshire]

10 hours ago, vandeventer said:

If Trump can prove wide spread conspiracy and it is sent to the House, than the house must vote on a state by state counting with each state counting as 1 vote so there are a lot more red states than blue. So Trump wins.

This has zero chance of succeeding.  Or to put it another way....

 

[Trump's 2020 chances '100 percent dead' after 4 swing state lawsuits are dropped]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-2020-chances-100-percent-185428888.html

[bendejo]

Hey AG Barr, looking for voter fraud?

This Lindsey Graham guy looks like he's up to something! 

 

 

[bendejo]

24 minutes ago, Opl said:

""The question that will vex Republicans is whether Trump really does want to run for the presidency again four years down the road. An aggrieved base and untrammeled media access could be the perfect ingredients for such a run. “I am telling you, if he decides to run, there is no Republican primary” for the presidency, says Nunberg, the former adviser."

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/11/16/rage-tweets-and-tv-a-vision-of-a-trump-post-presidency-begins-to-emerge/24693112/

 

There is going to have to be a full-scale housecleaning of the GOP to eliminate all traces of the orange rot.  It is going to be in every Republican politician's interest to see this guy face criminal charges or go into exile.

 

 

[onthedarkside]

20 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Hey AG Barr, looking for voter fraud?

This Lindsey Graham guy looks like he's up to something!

 

This is what you're referring to?

 

https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-secretary-state-says-lindsey-021720395.html

 

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Georgia’s secretary of state says Lindsey Graham suggested he throw out legal ballots

The Georgia secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, has said that Senator Lindsey Graham asked whether it was possible to invalidate legally cast ballots after Donald Trump was narrowly defeated in the state.
 

In an interview with the Washington Post, Raffensperger said Graham, the chairman of the Senate judiciary committee, questioned him about the state’s signature-matching law and asked whether political bias might have played a role in counties where poll workers accepted higher rates of mismatched signatures. According to Raffensperger, Graham then asked whether he had the authority to toss out all mail-in ballots in these counties.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

42 minutes ago, Opl said:

""The question that will vex Republicans is whether Trump really does want to run for the presidency again four years down the road. An aggrieved base and untrammeled media access could be the perfect ingredients for such a run. “I am telling you, if he decides to run, there is no Republican primary” for the presidency, says Nunberg, the former adviser."

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/11/16/rage-tweets-and-tv-a-vision-of-a-trump-post-presidency-begins-to-emerge/24693112/

Has anyone tell him that he will be 78 and in poor deteriorating mental as well as physical health. 

[xylophone]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Has anyone tell him that he will be 78 and in poor deteriorating mental as well as physical health. 

Even more so than now!!!!!!