Trump spy chief labels China biggest threat to freedom since World War Two

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

I agree.....no one put the US in charge.....and you could easily argue it is not their job.......but now look at the consequences of their withdrawal........with power comes responsibility.........like it or not as the most powerful, "democratic" nation on earth they are the world's policeman.......maybe 'we' should all chip in and help?

IMO Trump had had enough of the rest of the west not paying their fair share, and withdrew to punish them for sponging off the US. They still don't want to pay, or build up proper defence forces. Britain once ruled a great deal of the world, but now they can't even put British warplanes on the new aircraft carriers.

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO Trump had had enough of the rest of the west not paying their fair share, and withdrew to punish them for sponging off the US. They still don't want to pay, or build up proper defence forces. Britain once ruled a great deal of the world, but now they can't even put British warplanes on the new aircraft carriers.

Nice idea....apart from the fact the biggest loser from throwing his teddy out will, ultimately, be the US.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Goodness me, I must have missed all those wars Trump started.

Just wait and look what will happen in the next weeks while he still is POTUS and he still has the nuclear codes.

Maybe he gets the idea to nuke Iran. Who knows?

One big problem with Trump is that he often doesn't make rational decisions. And certainly he doesn't think if his decisions are good for the USA. It's more about if he somehow has the gut feeling that it's good for him. And that is why he is so dangerous. 

[Sujo]

46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO Trump had had enough of the rest of the west not paying their fair share, and withdrew to punish them for sponging off the US. They still don't want to pay, or build up proper defence forces. Britain once ruled a great deal of the world, but now they can't even put British warplanes on the new aircraft carriers.

Then the US cannot complain when china fills the void. 

[rkidlad]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Yeah human rights abuse. Happen everywhere.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/501922-us-faces-allegations-of-human-rights-abuses-over-treatment-of-protesters

Right..... So let's just ignore China's genocide.

 

How utterly repugnant. 

[rkidlad]

Here's a crazy thought; you can hate Trump and you can hate Xi at the same time. The two aren't mutually exclusive. This isn't a football game. It's people's lives. 

 

How people can't see the insidiousness of the CCP is beyond me. They're committing genocide, for heaven's sake. Remember genocide? That thing people used to bipartisanly agree was abhorrent. Now it seems some would rather strawman by using whataboutism or simply deny it's happening. 

 

Trump and the mainstream media have seriously made some people into complete ****** idiots. On the left and the right. 

 

 

[simple1]

Personally I wouldn't trust anything from yet another politically appointed trump conspiracy supporter and yes man. IMO trump is endeavouring to put another hurdle in-place for the incoming Biden Administration.

 

China is trying to expand it's political and economic influence, but at the end of the day is it PRCs strategic goal for world dominance, similar to USSR during the Cold War? It does appear with a number of countries PRC, from time to time, out manoeuvres Western diplomatic and investment activity.

 

You can bet that US and other Western powers are spying and attempting to steal PRCs technology advancements if it is of benefit militarily or commercially, they won't be sitting on their hands as apparently they try to infer by their silence on this matter.

[robblok]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO it is clear that China cares nothing for human rights and is out to dominate the world.

If they openly break the agreement over Hong Kong, and build islands in disputed waters, IMO they are not to be trusted.

Your right China is a danger but the US does the same stuff invading other countries. Starting wars based on fake evidence.

 

I still prefer the US over China but people should not be naive and think the US is not doing similar bad stuff.

[onthedarkside]

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[KarenBravo]

23 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Right..... So let's just ignore China's genocide.

 

How utterly repugnant. 

 

Agreed, but, the USA is also guilty of genocide.

[simple1]

18 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Right..... So let's just ignore China's genocide.

 

How utterly repugnant. 

 

Exactly what has the trump administration achieved with PRC's oppression of Uighurs? Remember trump only got involved with relatively minor actions, nothing that made a difference, after Xi rebuked his attempts at trade negotiation. 

[rkidlad]

3 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

 

Agreed, but, the USA is also guilty of genocide.

Explain?

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, rkidlad said:

Explain?

 

Natives a century or two ago.

[thaibeachlovers]

25 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your right China is a danger but the US does the same stuff invading other countries. Starting wars based on fake evidence.

 

I still prefer the US over China but people should not be naive and think the US is not doing similar bad stuff.

I'm well aware of all the bad stuff that the US does, as with Nicaragua and Chile etc etc etc. However, if it's a choice I'll go with the less worst, which IMO is the US.

[rkidlad]

28 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your right China is a danger but the US does the same stuff invading other countries. Starting wars based on fake evidence.

 

I still prefer the US over China but people should not be naive and think the US is not doing similar bad stuff.

The US isn't committing genocide. They have, and still continue to do terrible things - but we for the most part can voice against it. Speak out. Try doing that with the CCP within China. The CCP are even trying to stifle freedom of expression outside of China by threatening and spying on its people abroad. 

 

Genocide is non-negotiable. 

[rkidlad]

24 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Exactly what has the trump administration achieved with PRC's oppression of Uighurs? Remember trump only got involved with relatively minor actions, nothing that made a difference, after Xi rebuked his attempts at trade negotiation. 

As I had to explain to a dog lover once when I told him I prefer cats - "I don't hate dogs". 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I hope the United States under Biden takes a tough line with China. China is playing hard ball with Australia at the moment and putting huge tariffs on, or rejecting, our wine, seafood, barley etc. All because we stood up to them and had our own opinion. They are sending vile fake tweets about what happened with Australian soldiers in Afghanistan. Bad things did happen but at least we have an honest process to deal with it. 

 

So far so good. Biden's National Security Advisor is saying they'll stand by Australia. The British are standing up. Other Asian countries are beginning to fight back. I hope it amounts to something and China pulls back.

Of course Trump himself is focused on himself and undermining the democratic process so the sooner he goes the better. 

 

[Walker88]

ratcliffe and grenell politicized intelligence. Terribly wrong, but so typical of the 45 cult.

 

grenell even told ODNI employees to 'show their solidarity with 45' by refusing to wear masks at work. ratcliffe followed that procedure.

 

Both men are despised by the workforce of ODNI, as well as the entire intel community. Both started their time at ODNI by trying to uncover the sources and methods behind the Russia investigation. Fortunately, career intel people know better than to share such sensitive intel with people who cannot be trusted.

 

In intel, source protection is the Number One priority, even if it means a case officers career or life. The people who cooperate with US intel are taking huge risks for themselves and their families. putin has been known to feed suspected moles into a furnace, alive, with the persons family and children watching.

 

Already the intel community is doing a damage assessment, trying to determine what is known by the likes of jared and other of 45's people, because it is assumed that such intel will be for sale.

 

(Here's a freebie, unclassified:  jared is unaware that WhatsApp encryption can be broken easily by, inter alia, the CIA, NSA and FBI. It is hardly secure.)

 

Moderators may remove this as un-sourced.  Fine. I GUARANTEE it is 100% accurate. Remember this post. Months from now it will all be in open session of Congress, in WaPo and the NYTs...maybe even on Fox.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Walker88

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

The US isn't committing genocide. They have, and still continue to do terrible things - but we for the most part can voice against it. Speak out. Try doing that with the CCP within China. The CCP are even trying to stifle freedom of expression outside of China by threatening and spying on its people abroad. 

 

Genocide is non-negotiable. 

Pretty rich from you to defend US human rights accusations on speaking out. Fired, threatened and living in exile are evident in US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/officials-who-criticized-donald-trump/index.html

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Pretty rich from you to defend US human rights accusations on speaking out. Fired, threatened and living in exile are evident in US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/officials-who-criticized-donald-trump/index.html

I'm not defending it. I literally just said they have and continue to do horrible things (and we're free to talk about it without fear of being arrested), but they are not committing genocide. China are.

 

Now, would you like to acknowledge the CCP are committing genocide, Eric?  

[rkidlad]

@Eric Loh Why did you leave a laughing emoji when talking about the Uyghur Genocide in China? 

[robblok]

30 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

The US isn't committing genocide. They have, and still continue to do terrible things - but we for the most part can voice against it. Speak out. Try doing that with the CCP within China. The CCP are even trying to stifle freedom of expression outside of China by threatening and spying on its people abroad. 

 

Genocide is non-negotiable. 

But the US did commit genocide on the native americans by killing of the buffalo. So its not above the US. 

 

You are right can protest against it but what happened to the ones that started the war based on fake evidence ?

 

So yes USA is the preferable choice. But far from perfect. The fact that you can protests is great and other stuff is great too.

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

@Eric Loh Why did you leave a laughing emoji when talking about the Uyghur Genocide in China? 

Because you still can’t fully comprehend the meaning of genocide and cultural genocide. Perhaps it is intentional to mislead the readers. 

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

But the US did commit genocide on the native americans by killing of the buffalo. So its not above the US. 

 

You are right can protest against it but what happened to the ones that started the war based on fake evidence ?

 

So yes USA is the preferable choice. But far from perfect. The fact that you can protests is great and other stuff is great too.

We've had countless genocides throughout history. No one can change history. They're terrible things, right? So how about we learn from history and not repeat them. How about we all agree that genocide is a terrible thing that should always be unequivocally condemned. No ifs or but, but, but...... Genocide is NON-NEGOTIABLE. 

 

I'm not defending anything the US has, or is doing. I'm simply stating that China is currently committing genocide. America doing bad things doesn't negate this fact. Two things can be wrong at the same time.

 

None of this kind of behaviour is curved or improved without freedom of expression. 

 

 

 

[onthedarkside]

The topic here is:

 

Trump spy chief labels China biggest threat to freedom since World War Two

 

Not how people might define genocide. Let's try to stay on-topic.

 

[rkidlad]

 

Among other issues, Washington and Beijing have clashed over China's handling of the coronavirus outbreak, its tightening grip on Hong Kong, its disputed claims in the South China Sea, trade and accusations of human rights crimes in Xinjiang.

 

China said on Thursday that politicians in the United States are fabricating news of detained Uighur Muslims being forced into labor in the Xinjiang region.

[animalmagic]

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Because you still can’t fully comprehend the meaning of genocide and cultural genocide. Perhaps it is intentional to mislead the readers. 

I think we can all understand those terms and their implications.

Uyghur genocide - Wikipedia

China seems to be implementing both. 

The Cultural Revolution within China itself was another example of cultural genocide.

 

[rkidlad]

7 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

I think we can all understand those terms and their implications.

Uyghur genocide - Wikipedia

China seems to be implementing both. 

The Cultural Revolution within China itself was another example of cultural genocide.

 

Yes, and not only are they murdering Uyghurs Muslims, they're also selling their organs. I imagine people who have a fondness for the CCP would think they're just being industrious for their country. 

[animalmagic]

3 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, and not only are they murdering Uyghurs Muslims, they're also selling their organs. I imagine people who have a fondness for the CCP would think they're just being industrious for their country. 

Sorry, forgot to mention that one, but you may wish to include similar forced organ harvesting from Falun Gong proactitioners

[animalmagic]

Would some of the 54 UN members be ones that are indebted to China through the toxic debt from the Belt and Road Initiative or held in check by 'wolf warrior diplomacy' or some other threat?

Glad you think it is appropriate as it clearly states that forced sterilisation is one  the factors that enable the actions of China to be classified as genocide.

The headline is dealing with China posing the greatest threat to freedom since WWII but you broaden it to attack Thailand and things that are happening 'in the deep south'.

China's assault on freedom also includes a National Security Law in HK which criminalises any action by any person advocating independence for HK, and a few other offences, even if they are outside China and HK.

Edited December 4, 2020 by onthedarkside
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