Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators

[J Town]

15 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

For Americans to come together, vote harvesting, blocking observers, and sending ballots out to everyone, unrequested will have to have a hard look.  

I hadn't heard of vote harvesting but could see where it could happen, but the danger of getting caught makes it laughable. Observers weren't blocked, that [deleted] has been decried in dozens of lawsuits already thrown out of court. Sending out ballots to all voters has been done for years in some states and has been shown that the majority of abuse came from Republicans.

 

Yes, the process needs improving, but the first step is admitting your (the collective your) side lost and do so with dignity.  Democrats did so in 2016, now it's the Republicans' turn. So far, the death threats and ugly behavior against voting officials and politicians who have not kissed the emperor's ring has proven to be a deterrent to coming together.

Edited December 8, 2020 by onthedarkside
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[candide]

15 hours ago, J Town said:

I hadn't heard of vote harvesting but could see where it could happen, but the danger of getting caught makes it laughable. Observers weren't blocked, that [deleted] has been decried in dozens of lawsuits already thrown out of court. Sending out ballots to all voters has been done for years in some states and has been shown that the majority of abuse came from Republicans.

 

Yes, the process needs improving, but the first step is admitting your (the collective your) side lost and do so with dignity.  Democrats did so in 2016, now it's the Republicans' turn. So far, the death threats and ugly behavior against voting officials and politicians who have not kissed the emperor's ring has proven to be a deterrent to coming together.

Ballot collection is allowed in several states under diverse conditions

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-10-who-can-collect-and-return-an-absentee-ballot-other-than-the-voter.aspx

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He has the right, IMO, to say whatever he likes ( freedom of speech ) and to pursue legal redress as far as he can. Surely you don't deny that?

 

If it was illegal for politicians to lie, not many would be outside jail, IMO.

So in you opinion the President of the United States has the right to undermine democracy in the US. 

 

While that may be technically correct, from a legal point of view, don't you agree that it's a bad idea?  Even un-Presidential?  Is this what Trump supporters wanted when they voted for someone who is not a typical politician?

[pomchop]

"it is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled"

 

trump has and continues to make millions of dollars off of his cult who refuse to admit it is all a giant con designed to benefit trump

 

grow a brain

[joecoolfrog]

19 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Uhm, please point out the BS in my post.  Specifically.

 

Also, if you haven't noticed this special session could result in the State legislature reclaiming their power to choose electors.  So courts at this point are not in play any longer.  If the GA legislature decides that there was sufficient fraud, which they've obviously recognized as this emergency session evidences, then they will appoint electors to vote for Trump.

 

What potentially happens here could very well set a precedent for other states to follow.  The first one is always the hardest.

 

Please, please tell me what part of my post is BS.  I'd love to hear your valid points.

It has little chance of happening but you should be careful what you wish for.

Just look at the uproar created by Trump simply by voicing baseless accusations of wrongdoing.

Imagine what would happen if the Republicans actually managed to steal the election.

In domestic terms little short of civil war , internationally the USA shamed and mocked.

MAGA.....really !!

[joecoolfrog]

19 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I've said it before, don't count your chickens before they're hatched.  This election has not played out yet.

The pathetic denial has sadly not yet played out , the election has.

[joecoolfrog]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He has the right, IMO, to say whatever he likes ( freedom of speech ) and to pursue legal redress as far as he can. Surely you don't deny that?

 

If it was illegal for politicians to lie, not many would be outside jail, IMO.

Its gone beyond lying , its sedition .

[joecoolfrog]

18 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I thought unsubstantiated claims were not allowed here. 

How on Earth do you know what Trump is petrified of? 

If Bush, Clinton etc can avoid jail, surely Trump can too, with much less serious claims against him. 

How do you know how serious the claims against Trump might be. I thought unsubstantiated claims were not allowed here ?

[joecoolfrog]

17 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let the Supremes have at it.

They dont rule on fabricated , baseless claims.

[Tug]

This whole mess reminds me of that old sonney and Cher song the beat goes on but just change beat to grift and the grift goes on........... he’s just milking his supporters at the cost of our democracy when does this become a crime?dont think he can get away with it after Jan 20 

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Here's some shocking news!!!

Federal judges reject GOP effort to overturn swing state election results

Federal judges delivered blistering rejections on Monday to a pair of last-ditch lawsuits by allies of President Donald Trump seeking to overturn election results in Michigan and Georgia, describing the legal efforts as undemocratic.

“In fact, this lawsuit seems to be less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek—as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court— and more about the impact of their allegations on People’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government,” Detroit-based U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker said in a written ruling...

Parker’s opinion was soon followed by a ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Batten in Georgia, who described the effort by that state’s GOP electors “extraordinary” and unsupported by the law.

Federal judges reject GOP effort to overturn swing state election results - POLITICO

Edited December 8, 2020 by Scott

[Tug]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

It has little chance of happening but you should be careful what you wish for.

Just look at the uproar created by Trump simply by voicing baseless accusations of wrongdoing.

Imagine what would happen if the Republicans actually managed to steal the election.

In domestic terms little short of civil war , internationally the USA shamed and mocked.

MAGA.....really !!

If that did happen there definitely would be violence let’s hope our democracy withstands this coup attempt 

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

For Americans to come together, vote harvesting, blocking observers, and sending ballots out to everyone, unrequested will have to have a hard look.  

For Americans to come together, they'll have to stop believing the lies coming from Trump and his minions.  Stunning so many actually believe him.

 

There was no fraud that would have had an impact on the election.  Barr has ruled on it and he's right at the top of the chain.  Sad Trump's followers don't believe him now.

[Jeffr2]

In the end, time to stop this nonsense.  Thousands of Americans are dying every day.  That's our #1 issue.  Not listening to a lying president who only cares about himself.  Trump has done NOTHING to help us with the pandemic lately.  Nothing.  He's now at his retreat in Florida.  Probably there until after New Years.  Rumors are he'll not go back to the WH again.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-christmas-inauguration/index.html

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Berkshire said:

I'm glad that you're finally seeing the light.  As for your recommendations of an investigation post-Trump....I would welcome that.  Investigate away.  The problem is that elections are largely a state function.  The federal government really isn't involved.  For states to devote significant time and resources trying to find fraud when they know none exist....will be a hard sell. 

As I read the quote he isn't saying that Trump lost, just that time is too short to prove that he won.

However, 70 million will keep the faith till 2024, when either he stands again or acts as kingmaker, IMO.

 

For an alternative viewpoint on Biden, google Roger Waters ( Pink Floyd ) on Biden- he isn't supporting Trump either. A real eye opener.

[ThaiFelix]

23 hours ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

The only thing he is doing right now, is making USA and it´s people look stupid.

Sad but true.  Just look at the headline a while and think about it.

 

"Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators"

 

A long serving and well respected news outlet casually stating the the president of the USA is a well known liar??  

 

But my big question is why is no-one doing anything about him before he does something really dangerous??

[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As I read the quote he isn't saying that Trump lost, just that time is too short to prove that he won.

However, 70 million will keep the faith till 2024, when either he stands again or acts as kingmaker, IMO.

 

For an alternative viewpoint on Biden, google Roger Waters ( Pink Floyd ) on Biden- he isn't supporting Trump either. A real eye opener.

I don't think all 70 million are ardent Trump supporters.  Many would never vote for a dem, or just didn't like Biden.  Either way, sad some still believe his lies.

 

I went to a Roger Waters concert a few years ago.  Hard core anti-Trump.  I believe he was the flying pink pig in the show? LOL

[FritsSikkink]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 just that time is too short to prove that he won.

 

He had time enough in over 40 court cases to come up with some proof. He didn't do that because he doesn't has any proof and that is why he lost all those cases. How difficult is that to understand?

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

He had time enough in over 40 court cases to come up with some proof. He didn't do that because he doesn't has any proof and that is why he lost all those cases. How difficult is that to understand?

Obviously, for Trump's cult, it's impossible to understand.  Sad times in the USA.

[robblok]

24 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Sad but true.  Just look at the headline a while and think about it.

 

"Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators"

 

A long serving and well respected news outlet casually stating the the president of the USA is a well known liar??  

 

But my big question is why is no-one doing anything about him before he does something really dangerous??

Yes the damage this does to the US credibility is huge. But Trump has damaged that a lot already. What he is doing now is make the US look like a third world country.

[johnnybangkok]

20 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Let the Supremes have at it.

I agree but worry that at 76 years old, Dianna Ross might not be up for it.

[thaibeachlovers]

41 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I don't think all 70 million are ardent Trump supporters.  Many would never vote for a dem, or just didn't like Biden.  Either way, sad some still believe his lies.

 

I went to a Roger Waters concert a few years ago.  Hard core anti-Trump.  I believe he was the flying pink pig in the show? LOL

Way more hard core anti Biden.

[thaibeachlovers]

44 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

A long serving and well respected news outlet casually stating the the president of the USA is a well known liar??  

Reuters?

I think we could say any politician is a liar and few would dispute it.

[henry2109]

22 hours ago, Sujo said:

Yet trump keeps lying saying there is.

If I would run out of money and would ask myself: "shall I scam the idiots, ignorants and deplorables out of some hundred million dollars more of sponsoring money by telling them some fairy tails" I probably would. They deserve no better.

 

But after a while and when it starts hurting the nation, it is enough.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Reuters?

I think we could say any politician is a liar and few would dispute it.

I think we could state that among us presidents Trump is the biggest liar ever.

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Way more hard core anti Biden.

I'm no fan of Biden, but I don't understand their hatred.  Fueled by Trump's lies and misleading statements?  All I hear from him is "radical liberals", "socialists", etc.  All of which aren't true.  And I'd hazard a guess that a bunch of Trump's base are on some sort of federal assistance.  Socialist programs that they rant about! ????

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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Reuters?

I think we could say any politician is a liar and few would dispute it.

Since virtually everyone lies sometimes, you might as well say everyone is a liar. But no one in public life has ever lied nearly as much and as shamelessly as Donald Trump.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

I think we could state that among us presidents Trump is the biggest liar ever.

As they say back home, Trump's the biggest liar by a country mile.  Sad his cult members don't care about this.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

I think we could state that among us presidents Trump is the biggest liar ever.

I think Bush the younger with his weapons of mass destruction spiel has that title locked in. A lot of lives were lost because of it.

While Trump may lie ( as most politicians do IMO ) the death toll because of them is somewhat less than in Iraq.

Edited December 8, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[robblok]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think Bush the younger with his weapons of mass destruction spiel has that title locked in. A lot of lives were lost because of it.

While Trump may lie ( as most politicians do IMO ) the death toll because of them is somewhat less than in Iraq.

May lie.... the guy is constantly lying even social media is placing warnings. There are webpages devoted to the lies of Trump.

 

While Bush with his weapons of mass destructions is bad he was not constantly lying. Trump is doing it all the time its like he cant stop.

 

His speeches are always the same bigger then ever seen ect.