PM Johnson says a moment may come when its game over on Brexit

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It was widely reported across various outlets that these threats were made, and they were never denied by the EU. Do you think Boris added these clauses and took all the flak from the media and the anti-UK lobby for no reason? He just thought it would be a bit of a laugh to threaten to break international law? And it's pure coincidence that now there's clarification of what is 'at risk' he's removed them? I guess you only see what you want to see. 

 

Deny it all you like, the EU got owned on this one. Great job by Boris. 

 

 

 

So he came up with this spiffing idea to break international law....took a load of flack from all and sundry, pißßed off the USA no end and then.......... backed down and cancelled it all.....pure genius.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Surelynot

[Susco]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It was widely reported across various outlets that these threats were made, and they were never denied by the EU. Do you think Boris added these clauses and took all the flak from the media and the anti-UK lobby for no reason? He just thought it would be a bit of a laugh to threaten to break international law? And it's pure coincidence that now there's clarification of what is 'at risk' he's removed them? I guess you only see what you want to see. 

 

Deny it all you like, the EU got owned on this one. Great job by Boris. 

 

 

 

I do not deny anything, and I'm sure you can post at least ONE link to a credible source, which validates this claim of yours. If not I will have to report your post

 

It was widely reported across various outlets that these threats were made, and they were never denied by the EU.

 

 

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

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Deny it all you like, the EU got owned on this one. Great job by Boris. 

 

 

 

Glad you feel that way, keep it up.

[Rookiescot]

55 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

So he came up with this spiffing idea to break international law....took a load of flack from all and sundry, pißßed off the USA no end and then.......... backed down and cancelled it all.....pure genius.

 

Want to hear a real cracker?

The act of union specifically states that ALL parts of the UK should be subject to the same trade tariffs and taxes.

Northern Ireland will no longer be part of that arrangement.

Johnson just tore up the act of union ????

[JonnyF]

54 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

So he came up with this spiffing idea to break international law....took a load of flack from all and sundry, pißßed off the USA no end and then.......... backed down and cancelled it all.....pure genius.

Not exactly.

 

The EU got excited and pulled out a knife without thinking. Boris pulled out a sub-machine gun. The EU bottled it and offered to put the knife back in the pocket if Boris forgot the whole thing ever happened. Boris agreed, swaggered back into the saloon, pulled up a seat next to some hot chick and sparked up a Cuban cigar.

[Baerboxer]

21 hours ago, Surelynot said:

There's milking it and there's milking it.........getting bored now.

 

Yep. British and EU politicians crawling out the woodwork now as if they've been heavily involved all along and just knew this would happen.

 

What a "clever" little lot they are!

[Rookiescot]

That all parts of the United Kingdom for ever from and after the Union shall have the same Allowances Encouragements and Drawbacks and be under the same Prohibitions Restrictions and Regulations of Trade and lyable to the same Customs and Duties on Import and Export And that the Allowances Encouragements and Drawbacks Prohibitions Restrictions and Regulations of Trade and the Customs and Duties on Import and Export settled in England when the Union commences shall from and after the Union take place throughout the whole United Kingdom . . . 

 

Not my words. Its from section 6 of the Act of Union 1707. Now unless Johnson capitulates and agrees to all the EU's demands then the above will no longer be the case because of the border down the Irish sea.

Ergo Johnson just tore up the act of union ????

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aosp/1707/7/section/VI

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

That all parts of the United Kingdom for ever from and after the Union shall have the same Allowances Encouragements and Drawbacks and be under the same Prohibitions Restrictions and Regulations of Trade and lyable to the same Customs and Duties on Import and Export And that the Allowances Encouragements and Drawbacks Prohibitions Restrictions and Regulations of Trade and the Customs and Duties on Import and Export settled in England when the Union commences shall from and after the Union take place throughout the whole United Kingdom . . . 

 

Not my words. Its from section 6 of the Act of Union 1707. Now unless Johnson capitulates and agrees to all the EU's demands then the above will no longer be the case because of the border down the Irish sea.

Ergo Johnson just tore up the act of union ????

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aosp/1707/7/section/VI

Gawd, I wonder what you will come up with next, probably something to do with Oliver Cromwell....????

 

You should be concentrating on your squeaky clean SNP leader getting caught out telling porkies by her husband..????

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

half of britons want a proper no deal not some half assed EU servitude that we have no say in

 

Sure, then try something similar with the USA and other big countries and look how far you get.

But be careful with your expectations. Otherwise you might be disappointed.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Sure, then try something similar with the USA and other big countries and look how far you get.

But be careful with your expectations. Otherwise you might be disappointed.

Thought that would be obvious, try telling that to your leader......

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Gawd, I wonder what you will come up with next, probably something to do with Oliver Cromwell....????

 

You should be concentrating on your squeaky clean SNP leader getting caught out telling porkies by her husband..????

Definitely grounds for Sturgeon's resignation if proved. Although we know the shameless nature of the SNP when caught out, just like the member with COVID who got the train back to Scotland alongside members of the public. 

 

[Phulublub]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Telling Porkiess  please repost where I made such statement

Someone hacked your account and posted this did they?....

 

There is over 300,000 allotments in the Uk Around 87 per cent of UK households have a garden and estimates suggest that private gardens cover an area about the size of one-fifth of Wales. so plenty of opportunity to grow their own...

[CorpusChristie]

44 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Want to hear a real cracker?

The act of union specifically states that ALL parts of the UK should be subject to the same trade tariffs and taxes.

Northern Ireland will no longer be part of that arrangement.

Johnson just tore up the act of union ????

 

   Isnt the idea to enforce the rules from the sea, rather than the land border ?

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, Loiner said:

It has long been obvious that the EU don't want to make a 'deal', only impose their own rules on the UK. Not happening. Boris has told them that for long enough.

Stop their EU nonsense, pull up the stumps, take the bat & ball and go home No Deal.

Throw out these English. Schengen visa  + int'l driving licence ans insurances when they want to cross to EU.

Just as the English want to be boss in their own country, the EU wants the same. When somebody wants to do business inside the EU, it is on EU laws, and under EU courts.Simple an anti-dumping tariff on British goods.

Hopefully the EU does the same with all €uro-transactions. End of the financial City of London.

And your fish... put it where you want.

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, mommysboy said:

EU don't want a deal really, not yet anyway. UK is only asking for a basic trade arrangement as with Canada vs EU/  Canada vs USA.  

You really know the consequences of the CETA deal,  bye the way, which is still not signed by all EU Members ? EU-Canada Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) - Trade - European Commission (europa.eu)

[Hi from France]

From the Telegraph (nicknamed the Torygraph ????, so this is ) 

 

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Factories are shutting, food could rot on the dockside and Christmas presents may go undelivered as a perfect storm of Covid chaos and Brexit stockpiling batters the UK’s port system.

 

 

Swindon factory has closed

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Honda warned on Tuesday that it could be forced to temporarily close its Swindon factory as soon as today after slow-burning problems at ports and the Channel Tunnel exploded into the open.

 

The closure was confirmed late on Tuesday by the BBC. It said Honda told staff the plant will restart as soon as possible

 

 

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The carmaker is the biggest manufacturer to warn of serious disruption from the crisis, sparking fears others could follow suit.

 

Meanwhile the Food and Drink Federation said that “ambient food” supplies stuck in thousands of lorries and containers are on the verge of passing their sell-by dates.

 

 

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It is now feared that chaos could spread to smaller container ports such as Southampton – which was also ­disrupted last week due to bad weather – and London Gateway.

 

 

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Sebastien Rivera, secretary general of national hauliers federation FNTR, said: “It’s already been catastrophic for the past two weeks and it’ll be like this until the end of the year.”

 

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He claimed that the British “are stocking up like never before” due to fears of levies and other administrative disruption after Dec 31. Hauliers travelling to and from the UK say they had not seen such volumes in 30 years.

 

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In Dover, queues stretched for miles up the M20 yesterday, as traffic management systems were put in place to alleviate pressure on local car journeys. It is the fourth case of severe disruption in two weeks.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/08/food-rots-factories-shut-port-chaos-hammers-uk/

 

 

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And given the level of trade between the two parties did you ever think that was possible?

You think the EU is going to give while allowing the UK to undercut their own manufacturers?

Dream on. Was never going to happen. You should have known that.  

CETA does NOT mean full access to the EU market. The Canada-EU trade deal is no model for Brexit - CapX

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And given the level of trade between the two parties did you ever think that was possible?

You think the EU is going to give while allowing the UK to undercut their own manufacturers?

Dream on. Was never going to happen. You should have known that.  

CETA does NOT mean full access to the EU market. The Canada-EU trade deal is no model for Brexit - CapX

[transam]

11 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Throw out these English. Schengen visa  + int'l driving licence ans insurances when they want to cross to EU.

Just as the English want to be boss in their own country, the EU wants the same. When somebody wants to do business inside the EU, it is on EU laws, and under EU courts.Simple an anti-dumping tariff on British goods.

Hopefully the EU does the same with all €uro-transactions. End of the financial City of London.

And your fish... put it where you want.

Now, now, no need for tantrums, anyone would think you were from Romania given a few minutes to negotiate...????

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

From the Telegraph (nicknamed the Torygraph ????, so this is ) 

 

 

 

Swindon factory has closed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/08/food-rots-factories-shut-port-chaos-hammers-uk/

 

 

None of which even registers with your true blue Brexiteer.

 

Multiply this by 10 and they are still happy with the end result.....out of the demon clutches of a German nation hell bent on world domination plus the massive Brexit bonuses that are coming the UK's way (I've not a clue what these Brexit bonuses are).

 

But nice try anyway........

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Not exactly.

 

The EU got excited and pulled out a knife without thinking. Boris pulled out a sub-machine gun. The EU bottled it and offered to put the knife back in the pocket if Boris forgot the whole thing ever happened. Boris agreed, swaggered back into the saloon, pulled up a seat next to some hot chick and sparked up a Cuban cigar.

5555.....Very graphic......I am just trying recall if I have ever seen a short, fat, aging blonde cowboy swagger anywhere.....nope.

[Hi from France]

11 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

None of which even registers with your true blue Brexiteer.

 

yesterday's deal seem to include another (symbolic) concession which might no have registered either

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/08/uk-agrees-eu-officials-permanently-stationed-northern-ireland/

 

 

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A UK Government source said: "The EU sought a 'mini embassy'. They withdrew that. The EU do have the right under the Protocol to supervise processes conducted by UK authorities, which we will of course support, but there will be no mini-embassy, no mission, no building with a flag or brass plaque." 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Hi from France

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

 

yesterday's deal seem to include another (symbolic) concession

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/08/uk-agrees-eu-officials-permanently-stationed-northern-ireland/

 

 

 

I guess this could be viewed two ways.... The UK are edging towards a deal and are starting play ball/make concessions......or.......they know they are not going to do a deal in which case make a load of concessions, make themselves look good (oh we tried so hard) and then walk away blaming the EU.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

I guess this could be viewed two ways.... The UK are edging towards a deal and are starting play ball/make concessions......or.......they know they are not going to do a deal in which case make a load of concessions, make themselves look good (oh we tried so hard) and then walk away blaming the EU.

Well you would look at it that way, goes without saying....????

 

Plus, if a deal is done, you will be the first to spout..."That taught the Brits a lesson", when in fact, you don't know the UK's actual goal of an acceptable deal that's best for everyone .........

 

At least the remaining EU members now know what they are dealing with if they want to leave the EU, thankfully most do not have something the French want...

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Not me that suggested the UK could use allotments and back gradens to grow food post January...maybe you should talk to your fellow Brexiteer who brought it up as an idea.

 

PH

 

42 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Someone hacked your account and posted this did they?....

 

There is over 300,000 allotments in the Uk Around 87 per cent of UK households have a garden and estimates suggest that private gardens cover an area about the size of one-fifth of Wales. so plenty of opportunity to grow their own...

No mention of growing food post January that statement only exists in your head

You should know that people have been growing food in their back gardens and allotments for years

[Loiner]

34 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Throw out these English. Schengen visa  + int'l driving licence ans insurances when they want to cross to EU.

Just as the English want to be boss in their own country, the EU wants the same. When somebody wants to do business inside the EU, it is on EU laws, and under EU courts.Simple an anti-dumping tariff on British goods.

Hopefully the EU does the same with all €uro-transactions. End of the financial City of London.

And your fish... put it where you want.

Oh how I wish that the rest of your grasping and vindictive compatriots would agree to your proposals. Unfortunately they still want us, our money and our fish. I'm afraid you won't be getting all of that.

You can make up all the rules you like about business in the EU, but they're all on your side of the border. Most of us don't have that much to export to the EU, so no worries. You get absolutely no say about anything that goes on within the UK though, which is what really gets up the noses of your EU masters and is the cause of the current impasse.

 

No sure why you usually raise the schengen visa and international driving licence as your major penalties though. They are just not that important. Is it something you had a brush with the law in UK?

[Susco]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Not exactly.

 

The EU got excited and pulled out a knife without thinking. Boris pulled out a sub-machine gun. The EU bottled it and offered to put the knife back in the pocket if Boris forgot the whole thing ever happened. Boris agreed, swaggered back into the saloon, pulled up a seat next to some hot chick and sparked up a Cuban cigar.

 

I suggest you take up a job as a standup comedian, and it is not that we don't believe you, but I'm still waiting for that link for that other claim you made.

 

It was widely reported across various outlets that these threats were made, and they were never denied by the EU.

 

Since you said it was widely reported, I'm sure it should be easy to just fish up 1 single link.

[Hi from France]

24 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oh how I wish that the rest of your grasping and vindictive compatriots would agree to your proposals. Unfortunately they still want us, our money and our fish. I'm afraid you won't be getting all of that.

Gosh, are you starting to make concessions too? ???? 

 

I though you wanted to give none of that. Then we can play ball: the EU just wants some of that. And can give a lot in return. 

 

As for fishing, the demise of Debenhams last week alone shed as many jobs as the whole of the UK fishing sector's

[Hi from France]

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Dinner at the European commission, Wednesday 9 December 2020

Entrée
European vegetables matured in the back of a truck stuck on the outskirts of Calais for seven days – with sour cream
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Scotch egg, constituting in some countries, a substantial meal

Plat principal
Sixty percent of a fresh grilled North Sea horse mackerel caught by a Danish trawler off the Northumberland coast: a fine British fish, presently and undeservedly little known in London
or
Roast beef of Olde England, hung, drawn and quartered by European butchers then lovingly done to a turn.
Both dishes served with Brussels sprouts, obviously

Cheese
Swiss, of course, since one course at least should be neutral – a gentle reminder that the UK’s negotiations with the European Union have only just begun. Selection of innovative British chutneys.

Dessert
Fudge cake. As rich as it comes.
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Bendy-banana split

 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, transam said:

Similar in 1939 for many years, but the UK got over it.....

 

Fifteenth-odd years of rationing. Now there's something to look forward to. Good of you to dole out the hardships so liberally to us home-based Brits from your home 6000 miles away.