Explainer: The potential impact of Brexit without a trade deal

[George Aylesham]

21 hours ago, fishtank said:

Bungling Boris and his fellow right wingers don't give a toss about the impacts of a no deal.

As long as they obtain their political objectives they could not care less about UK and it's population.

Not just their political objectives but their personal financial objectives too.

[welovesundaysatspace]

28 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Why not ask the forum why TVF is only sourcing from Reuters? Could TVF, or its' OP, be an anti-Brexit Remainer pushing their own agenda?

If you believe that, then again my question why you are still here? 

[soalbundy]

17 minutes ago, George Aylesham said:

Not just their political objectives but their personal financial objectives too.

They certainly won't be at the job center or visit a food bank, let's not talk about being homeless, I wonder how his Euro bank account is doing.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

So  we have  the Remain voters, who are not happy with the result of the referendum.

 

We don't know how much Leave voters are in favor of a deal, and how much aren't.

 

Anyway, both group can't be happy, whatever the decision of Mr. Johnson will be.

 

That makes a lot of people unhappy due to Brexit.

But it also makes a lot of people happy too.

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

If you believe that, then again my question why you are still here? 

To keep an alternative view to your euro bile and bluster. 

[luckyluke]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

But it also makes a lot of people happy too.

 

So, Remain voters + part of Leave voters, unhappy.

 

Based on numbers  the happy ones should represent a minority.

 

The normal task of a government is however to make the majority of its citizens happy.

 

It has also all interest to do so. 

 

Happy and unhappy citizens have the power to express their opinion when voting,

 

too much unhappy ones isn't a good thing for the government in place.

[Histavia]

On 12/9/2020 at 5:06 PM, Loiner said:

Who needs and Explainer from anti-Brexit Reuters? It's not going to change anything for anybody.

We know Project Fear has gone into its' final attack, all over over blown and misleading but standard fayre for Remainers.

"Not going to change anything  for anybody "

Could you explain what you mean by that. It seems to me things are changing already.

[Histavia]

On 12/9/2020 at 5:33 PM, kingdong said:

This should have been done and dusted 3 years ago,however thanks to a remainer parliament and prime minister its deteriorated to this fiasco a big thank you to all the remainers and others unable to accept democracy.

Surely Brexit was the idea of Brexiteers, not remainers?

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On 12/10/2020 at 12:33 AM, kingdong said:

This should have been done and dusted 3 years ago,however thanks to a remainer parliament and prime minister its deteriorated to this fiasco a big thank you to all the remainers and others unable to accept democracy.

What's it like living in an alternative reality? In this one Parliament has been staunchly pro-Brexit for years now. Blameshifting much?

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[Histavia]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

But it also makes a lot of people happy too.

If you follow the argument 48 percent of voters are Remainers then a large number of leave voters are unhappy which means that a large majority of those who voted in the referendum would have to be unhappy with no deal or any last minute deal, which puts hardline leaders in a shrinking minority.  Obviously just an educated guess. 

I personally can't wait to join the hoi-paloi in EU airport queues and pay 10% on a new car and 30% on my Camembert ....and unable to stay in France more than 90 days in 180.....and require a work permit....

[Scott]

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[kingdong]

11 minutes ago, Histavia said:

Surely Brexit was the idea of Brexiteers, not remainers?

No it was the idea of the prime minister david Cameron,before he got eected he was frightened by how much support nigel farages ukip party was getting andslung out the idea of a referendum as a pre election bribe,he got inmet up with the eu offucials loiking for reforms who laughed in his face,came bacj and had to honour his promise to the electorat for a referendum.being a rwmainer ( despite his lies ) he then launched project fear to try and intimidate voters to remain,however the people voted to leave and we,re leaving.

[Histavia]

33 minutes ago, kingdong said:

No it was the idea of the prime minister david Cameron,before he got eected he was frightened by how much support nigel farages ukip party was getting andslung out the idea of a referendum as a pre election bribe,he got inmet up with the eu offucials loiking for reforms who laughed in his face,came bacj and had to honour his promise to the electorat for a referendum.being a rwmainer ( despite his lies ) he then launched project fear to try and intimidate voters to remain,however the people voted to leave and we,re leaving.

So Caneron invented Brexit? and those who voted leave didnt want to?

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[billd766]

11 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

So, Remain voters + part of Leave voters, unhappy.

 

Based on numbers  the happy ones should represent a minority.

 

The normal task of a government is however to make the majority of its citizens happy.

 

It has also all interest to do so. 

 

Happy and unhappy citizens have the power to express their opinion when voting,

 

too much unhappy ones isn't a good thing for the government in place.

I disagree with you there.

 

The only way to know the figures would be to have either an election or a referendum. Any other way such as a poll of limited numbers becomes inspired guesswork. The results of a poll can be skewed in advance simply by whoever commissions the poll will want to  control the end result favourable to themselves.

 

So if you want one result then skew the questions and choose the people to be polled. If you want a different result then skew the questions differently and choose different  people.

 

BTW the next election is about 4 years away maximum.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Histavia said:

So Caneron invented Brexit? and those who voted leave didnt want to?

Actually Cameron tried to get some concessions from the EU so he came up with the idea of a referendum. 

 

He thought that he would win the referendum hands down and did a very messy job of i too. The resulting vote shocked him so much that he resigned a little later and Teresa May who was and still is an arch Remainer became PM.

 

She screwed negotiations up so badly that there was a general election in 2019 where she was booted out and Boris became PM with an 80 seat majority in the house.

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The resulting vote shocked him so much that he resigned a little later

He is quoted as saying when asked if he was staying on....."No, I'm not staying to deal with this ßhit"

[luckyluke]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

however the people voted to leave and we,re leaving.

 

It is aberrant that after more than 4 years, some believe there is still the need to mention that the majority of the voters voted Leave on the referendum.

 

Everyone is aware of this,

but still not everyone consider this as a good idea.

 

These people are continually express their opinion, adding elements which they consider as proof they are right.

 

This will continue till they are showed/convinced with concrete elements that they were wrong.

 

I don't think that the continual mention of :

" we voted, we will leave",

soon

"we have left"

is a valuable argument to convince them Brexit was/is a good idea. 

  

[luckyluke]

21 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I disagree with you there.

 

 

It doesn't seem to me we disagree.

 

I state that, based on numbers, there are more people unhappy than happy,

but that is of course a hypothetical reasoning,

 

is actually, indeed,  every Remain voter unhappy?

 

Will there be  unhappy Leave voters when Mr. Johnson will decide for a yes or no deal?

 

The only way to know is indeed a referendum ( which will not happen) and a vote in 4 years.

 

In 4 years the situation will not be what it is today.

 

So my statement as per now, is a speculative one based on some elements,

as is every other one, with different components.

 

[Thingamabob]

After some initial chaos Britain will benefit greatly from leaving the EU, both in terms of economics and morale and, hopefully, the departure of many remainers.

 

 

 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

After some initial chaos Britain will benefit greatly from leaving the EU, both in terms of economics and morale and, hopefully, the departure of many remainers.

Any evidence (forecasts, etc) to support this vision of 'Future UK', or is just more head-in-the-sand wishful thinking?

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2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

After some initial chaos Britain will benefit greatly from leaving the EU, both in terms of economics and morale and, hopefully, the departure of many remainers.

 

 

 

 

Care to be a bit more discursive on how the UK will economically benefit from Brexit? Because free trade with the closest market that is also the 2nd or 3rd largest economic entity in the world is relatively unimportant? What factors outweigh that?

[Histavia]

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

Actually Cameron tried to get some concessions from the EU so he came up with the idea of a referendum. 

 

He thought that he would win the referendum hands down and did a very messy job of i too. The resulting vote shocked him so much that he resigned a little later and Teresa May who was and still is an arch Remainer became PM.

 

She screwed negotiations up so badly that there was a general election in 2019 where she was booted out and Boris became PM with an 80 seat majority in the house.

So Brexit has turned out to satisfy no-one. Isn't that what the remainers said?

[Histavia]

It seems that Brexiteers" predictions about Brexit have gone from the Elysian Fields to pandemonium.

 

It would appear that deal or no deal chaos will ensue at first.then the real effects of Brexit will slowly sink in over the next 2 years or so. 

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Histavia said:

Brexit have gone from the Elysian Fields to pandemonium.

....before reaching Tartarus

[GrandPapillon]

Listen if the Brits could endure 4 years of bombing and food rationing because of WW2, they can survive easily a EU embargo for the next 5 years to make a deal

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14 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

Listen if the Brits could endure 4 years of bombing and food rationing because of WW2, they can survive easily a EU embargo for the next 5 years to make a deal

Cue "Rule, Britannia!"

[Loiner]

11 hours ago, Histavia said:

"Not going to change anything  for anybody "

Could you explain what you mean by that. It seems to me things are changing already.

Not on TVF where the Explainer is posted. Everything is still very much the same here Remainers and Euros still moaning and wailing, all anti-Brexit and anti-Brit, which ever side of the channel they come from. 

[Loiner]

44 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

Listen if the Brits could endure 4 years of bombing and food rationing because of WW2, they can survive easily a EU embargo for the next 5 years to make a deal

We didn’t make a losing deal at the end of 4 years, then or now. 

[Histavia]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Not on TVF where the Explainer is posted. Everything is still very much the same here Remainers and Euros still moaning and wailing, all anti-Brexit and anti-Brit, which ever side of the channel they come from. 

So Brecit will have no negative effects?

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Histavia said:

So Brexit has turned out to satisfy no-one. Isn't that what the remainers said?

Now how did you come to that conclusion from my post.

 

I did not say anything like that at all, so stop twisting MY words to suit YOUR agenda!!