UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[luckyluke]

21 hours ago, Tofer said:

start supporting your country

 

 

 

To be clear, I don't pretend that voting Leave will afflicted everyone, it may on the contrary, benefit all.

Time will tell.  

 

But should one unconditionally support one's country, when persuaded it took the wrong decisions, which one is convinced, will lead to the affliction of all.

[transam]

20 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Leavers never stop whining about Remainers.

Well "leavers" have actually left, remainers haven't yet realised it.....????

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Well "leavers" have actually left, remainers haven't yet realised it.....????

 

Obviously not some at this point in time - keep whining & complaining about Remainers and EU negotiations

[Bruntoid]

19 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

 

 

To be clear, I don't pretend that voting Leave will afflicted everyone, it may on the contrary, benefit all.

Time will tell.  

 

But should one unconditionally support one's country, when persuaded it took the wrong decisions, which one is convinced, will lead to the affliction of all.

I really wouldn’t stress over Brexiteers trying to claim the patriotism flag when they themselves inflicted the greatest act of national self harm in history but are simply too ‘challenged’ to comprehend that !
 

Go through the myriad of endless brexit threads on here and try and find just one post within that lot with a costed analysis of post brexit from a brexiteer - not ONE ! All hype, guesswork, hope, and thinly veiled racist sound bites. 
 

After all 99.99% of the worlds economists and EVERY major industry spokesman (the nations employers) can’t be wrong can they ?  Or maybe the Sun readers had it right all along ????????

[transam]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Obviously not some at this point in time - keep whining & complaining about Remainers and EU negotiations

Discussion can be looked at as whining on any subject, from any sides point of view, but the fact remains that we have actually left the EU and are trying to move on, but remainers can't seem to do that, you know, get behind their country. ????

[transam]

1 minute ago, Bruntoid said:

I really wouldn’t stress over Brexiteers trying to claim the patriotism flag when they themselves inflicted the greatest act of national self harm in history but are simply too ‘challenged’ to comprehend that !
 

Go through the myriad of endless brexit threads on here and try and find just one post within that lot with a costed analysis of post brexit from a brexiteer - not ONE ! All hype, guesswork, hope, and thinly veiled racist sound bites. 
 

After all 99.99% of the worlds economists and EVERY major industry spokesman (the nations employers) can’t be wrong can they ?  Or maybe the Sun readers had it right all along ????????

Really 99.99%, wow, I didn't know that.......????

[Bruntoid]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Really 99.99%, wow, I didn't know that.......????

Why does that not surprise me ????

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

get behind their country.

Every situation is different and mostly not comparable.

But getting behind one's country, is not always the right thing to do.

The Germans know something about it.

[JohnB1945]

Why don't we give it a rest! In my opinion leaving was a huge mistake, and a hard brexit will be catastrophic. But I hope I'm wrong. 

 

Whats done is done. Give it six months and then see who was right.

[CorpusChristie]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

I assume you mean a trade agreement, as the terms of the withdrawal agreement had officially been under negotiation ever since May first triggered Article 50 on the  29th March 2017! Although formal negotiations didn't begin until 19th June 2017.

 

It was not that the EU wouldn't begin trade negotiations until after we left; it was agreed by both sides that UK/EU trade negotiations while  we were still a member would be awkward at the very least as we would have had a foot in both camps.

 

 No.

 

The transition period ends at midnight on the 31st December 2020, unless both sides agree to extend it.

 

No.

 

We remain members of the single market and customs union until midnight on the 31st December 2020, unless both sides agree to extend the transition period.

 

 

 

   The UK has left the E.U .

Member states are in Green , non E.U members are in White 

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, JohnB1945 said:

Why don't we give it a rest! In my opinion leaving was a huge mistake, and a hard brexit will be catastrophic. But I hope I'm wrong. 

 

Whats done is done. Give it six months and then see who was right.

Why not give it the four and a half years that the other lot have been moaning about it?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Discussion can be looked at as whining on any subject, from any sides point of view, but the fact remains that we have actually left the EU and are trying to move on, but remainers can't seem to do that, you know, get behind their country. ????

Get behind what?

 

There’s nothing to get behind.

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Why not give it the four and a half years that the other lot have been moaning about it?

Why not critically examine each empty promise and failed expectation as they arise?

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Get behind what?

 

There’s nothing to get behind.

Merry Christmas.........????.........................

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why not critically examine each empty promise and failed expectation as they arise?

We have left the EU, what a great promise for me.......

[simple1]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Discussion can be looked at as whining on any subject, from any sides point of view, but the fact remains that we have actually left the EU and are trying to move on, but remainers can't seem to do that, you know, get behind their country. ????

 

Thanks for making my point, Leavers still whining about Remainders

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

We have left the EU, what a great promise for me.......

Yes, we know, the bird in the bush.

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Get behind what?

 

There’s nothing to get behind.

Only for the saddest, most bitter of Remainers.

 

For the winners, there is plenty to get behind. Especially if Parliament stays in recess for the next 2 weeks.

 

We're looking forward to the future, looking forward to all your doomsday predictions being debunked. An outward looking UK free of the failing inward looking protectionist racket.

 

Keep sulking and whining. It makes it even sweeter for the winners.????

 

 

[petermik]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, we know, the bird in the bush.

I see Monsieur Macron has mysteriously been infected with Covid....keeps him out of the talks then...how convenient...bit "fishy" though 

 

[transam]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, we know, the bird in the bush.

I have no idea about an ex Presidents love life, feel free to tell us...

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, petermik said:

I see Monsieur Macron has mysteriously been infected with Covid....keeps him out of the talks then...how convenient...bit "fishy" though 

 

Merkel just put the needle back into her desk drawer, stroked the expensive cat perched on her lap and picked up the phone to Boris.

 

"'E 'ad an unfortunate akzident. Vee can talk, no..."

[transam]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Merkel just put the needle back into her desk drawer, stroked the expensive cat perched on her lap.

 

 

So that's where Macron went...Rascal....????

[petermik]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Merkel just put the needle back into her desk drawer, stroked the expensive cat perched on her lap and picked up the phone to Boris.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, transam said:

So that's where Macron went...Rascal....????

No chance of anyone getting into Angela,s drawers......

[Tofer]

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

To be clear, I don't pretend that voting Leave will afflicted everyone, it may on the contrary, benefit all.

Time will tell.  

 

But should one unconditionally support one's country, when persuaded it took the wrong decisions, which one is convinced, will lead to the affliction of all.

 

I applaud your pragmatism. It's a pity others cannot have the same balanced attitude.

 

To your second point, I would answer yes. It is, after all their country, and the democratic result has been decided and, as you say, it may be to the benefit of all.

 

Quoting a bunch of questionable polls, experts and media statements is a wasted argument, since history has proved many such supposed experts have, time and time again, been proved wrong, particularly economic forecasters who are legendary for their incorrect predictions.

 

I cannot understand those that insult and decry their fellow countrymen, as a generalisation, simply because they think / believe Brexit will ultimately be beneficial to the country. Optimism is far healthier then pessimism, especially since the future cannot be predicted, as you say, time will tell.....

 

Instead of rejoicing and patting themselves on the back for their perceived little victories, arguing against the Brexit result / cause, I think it is well past time the remainers accept the situation, because they are not going to change it. They should start showing some support and patriotism toward their country, instead of championing the perceived merits of the EU.

After all, we have left and, I firmly believe, the EU are displaying their true unsavoury colours throughout this process, being vindication in itself.

 

 

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

After all, we have left and, I firmly believe, the EU are displaying their true unsavoury colours throughout this process, being vindication in itself.

 

The U.K. has left, the E.U. don't like that at all, so  at the moment the negotiations started  the E.U. intent is :

 

"You left, fine,

you want to do again business with us, fine,

here are our specific conditions for you, as past member,

take it or leave it".

 

A way to label this, is indeed "Retribution".

 

However also open to categorical refusal from the other party to accept these conditions, and walk away.

 

We will soon find out the results of the negotiations.

 

I think that the E.U. don't really expect that the U.K. will simply accept these "particular" conditions.

 

If after all they do, or partially, it is some kind of "sweet revenge" for the E.U..

 

If not, the E.U. is at the same point as the day after the Brexit referendum results.

 

Meaning, a great possibility of considerable difficulties, but also knowing that the U.K. will be confronted with  similar  situations.

 

Politics is not a job for nice, honest, people, and it shows worldwide.  

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by luckyluke

[RuamRudy]

Thank god we left the EU - no longer will we have all those unelected foreigners making laws for us to obey.

 

 

[Tofer]

On 12/14/2020 at 6:03 PM, bannork said:

And of course they were promised how easy it would be, no chance of a no deal.

Only upsides, not the horror show it's turning out to be.

 

And whose fault is that?

 

The EU promised a Canada style trade deal if the UK signed up to their prerequisite WA, ensuring they could get their grubby mits on the, all important, money and shackling the NI to their customs union, but instead they regened on that deal along with their undertaking to negotiate in good faith and respect the UK's sovereignty, as German MEP Gunnar Beck pointed out.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

And whose fault is that?

 

The EU promised a Canada style trade deal if the UK signed up to their prerequisite WA, ensuring they could get their grubby mits on the, all important, money and shackling the NI to their customs union, but instead they regened on that deal along with their undertaking to negotiate in good faith and respect the UK's sovereignty, as German MEP Gunnar Beck pointed out.

 

 

Drags out rightwing nationalist to support rightwing nationalist views.

[Tofer]

On 12/14/2020 at 6:25 PM, bannork said:

But there you go, turkeys voting for Xmas, or New Year in this case 

 

I'd rather that than remain in a field chewing the cud whilst the EU's sheep dogs run us ragged, and then being stripped of my coat.

[Tofer]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Drags out rightwing nationalist to support rightwing nationalist views.

 

Sorry, does the truth hurt your delicate sensibilities.