UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

If these E.U. labors are paid a lesser wage than their U.K. colleague, the U.K. government should intervene.

 

If they don't, or not effectively enough, the blame should be put on the U.K. government.

 

Unless the U.K. government don't consider the lost of wellness of their own man in the street as a priority, but focused primary on the wellness of their employers.

Precisely this.

 

One of the principle sticking points in the UK’s (Tory Government) negotiations with the EU is the UK’s objection to a level playing field on minimum worker rights and conditions of employment.

 

It’s a crystal clear sign that the UK (Tory Government) see reducing worker rights and conditions of employment as a ‘competitive edge’.

 

So here we have Brexiteers complaining about worker pay and employment conditions.

 

It’s truly remarkable that people can be so blind to a glaring truth staring them in the face.

 

Brexit, is not and never was about what is best for ordinary working people.

 

As ordinary working people are about to find out.

 

 

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So I guess we are all happy.

That's the spirit.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Zero hour contracts reqire a surplus of !abour supp!ied by the " freedom of movement " of the eu,and before you condemn such workers perhaps you should walk a mile in rheir shoes,still your views are typical of the faux socialist content you post.

No they don’t.

 

And quit with using the misfortune others face as some kind of shield to protect the ridiculous failings of your own arguments.

 

You had a chance to do something about Zero-Hour Contracts at the last election, I’m guessing you passed on the chance:

 

 

“We will bring in a Real Living Wage of at least £10 per hour for all workers
– with equal rights at work from day one on the job. We will end insecurity and exploitation by ending zero-hours contracts and strengthening trade union rights.”

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

we are moving to the next stage

1. the EU avoided any responsibility in the failure of negotiations
2. a diabolical contingency plan is set in motion with a series of carrots/sticks combo

 

 

I leave it to you to read and analyse

EU makes no-deal transport offer in return for 'level playing field' agreement 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/10/raab-eu-must-make-substantial-shift-for-brexit-talks-to-succeed

 

The EU's no-deal Brexit plans: what they are and what they mean

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/10/the-eus-no-deal-brexit-plans-what-they-are-and-what-they-mean

 

 

what I can tell you is that our debates are going to pick up: until now it was "brexit in name only" and "theatricals"; Now the action begins 

 

The EU is ready, the UK is not

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Oh dear the Guardian. Nothing else to say.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear the Guardian. Nothing else to say.

Apart from blame the news bringer.

[bkk6060]

Higher taxes, tariffs, and inflation could be facing the UK.

Already in a deep recession is a depression possible?

What a total fiasco.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No they don’t.

 

And quit with using the misfortune others face as some kind of shield to protect the ridiculous failings of your own arguments.

 

You had a chance to do something about Zero-Hour Contracts at the last election, I’m guessing you passed on the chance:

 

 

“We will bring in a Real Living Wage of at least £10 per hour for all workers
– with equal rights at work from day one on the job. We will end insecurity and exploitation by ending zero-hours contracts and strengthening trade union rights.”

 

 

Yeah cause they would have,thats why boris romped home,i can smell a pack of lies when i see it,labour had 3 terms of office and all that zero hour contract came in in  their reign,although i have my own political views they are tempered by a knowledge of simple arithmatic,ever stood on a picket line chomper,?or are you just a correspondence course socialist?

[Laughing Gravy]

9 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

That's the spirit.

It is. Finally near the end. As I have stated from the very beginning. I want a no deal as the referendum was leaving the single market, ECJ and customs union which has been done to death here. But I still have my doubts and think there will be one.

 

There was no such words as soft or hard Brexit until the leave campaign won. It would seem the Europhiles are happy and I certainly am. We can get on with life and those in the EU can go on doing what they are doing, the unification of Europe without the UK.

 

So I will leave my celebrations until it is certain.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Yeah cause they would have,thats why boris romped home,i can smell a pack of lies when i see it,labour had 3 terms of office and all that zero hour contract came in in  their reign,although i have my own political views they are tempered by a knowledge of simple arithmatic,ever stood on a picket line chomper,?or are you just a correspondence course socialist?

 

Dunning Krueger is busy these days.

 

The evidence is you can’t ‘smell a pack of lies’.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

ever stood on a picket line chomper,?or are you just a correspondence course socialist?

Yes I have, on two occasions, once as a ‘striking worker’ and once as a ‘locked out worker’.

 

I’ve been a union member all my life and have remained a paid up member of the same union for over 20 years.

 

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to explain that to you.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It is. Finally near the end. As I have stated from the very beginning. I want a no deal as the referendum was leaving the single market, ECJ and customs union which has been done to death here. But I still have my doubts and think there will be one.

 

There was no such words as soft or hard Brexit until the leave campaign won. It would seem the Europhiles are happy and I certainly am. We can get on with life and those in the EU can go on doing what they are doing, the unification of Europe without the UK.

 

So I will leave my celebrations until it is certain.

 

No.

The referendum was NOT about leaving the single market. Vote leave went to great lengths to claim we would be staying in the single market.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Dunning Krueger is busy these days.

 

The evidence is you can’t ‘smell a pack of lies’.

What are you on about?is that the best you can do?pathetic,well live in hope perhaps lionel ,sorry tony blair will make a comeback and we,ll all live happuly ever after,( provided you don,t live in the middle east)

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes I have, on two occasions, once as a ‘striking worker’ and once as a ‘locked out worker’.

 

I’ve been a union member all my life and have remained a paid up member of the same union for over 20 years.

 

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to explain that to you.

You surprise me,what happened ?

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

No.

The referendum was NOT about leaving the single market. Vote leave went to great lengths to claim we would be staying in the single market.

Was that on a big red bus?

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

1. The UK has already left months ago, but without any consequences. Now we will see the consequences, and it's going to be interesting.
2. There will be negotiations for like ten more years 

 

I think the deal on the table was very very attractive compared to what is starting from now.

 

Like All those airlines, including British airways have been given 6 months to get under European control or loose most of their routes?

 

Messing with the airlines is a great way to ruin the tourist industries of Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Malta etc. Just what they need post Covid, more European citizens suffering due to EU commissioners pride and obstinacy trying to protect their dream of a federal Europe with themselves first in line at the trough.

 

Still, at least they can vote them out at the next elections. Oh ????... wait a minute. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It is. Finally near the end. As I have stated from the very beginning. I want a no deal as the referendum was leaving the single market, ECJ and customs union which has been done to death here. But I still have my doubts and think there will be one.

 

There was no such words as soft or hard Brexit until the leave campaign won. It would seem the Europhiles are happy and I certainly am. We can get on with life and those in the EU can go on doing what they are doing, the unification of Europe without the UK.

 

So I will leave my celebrations until it is certain.

“We can get on with life and those in the EU can go on doing what they are doing, the unification of Europe without the UK.”

 

There’s that ‘we’ again.

 

Since you don’t live in the UK the ‘deal/no deal’ will have no impact on you beyond perhaps the exchange rate.

 

Those ‘getting on with life’ post Brexit are the millions of people in the UK who’s futures the  PM is attempting to play nationalist poker with.

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Messing with the airlines is a great way to ruin the tourist industries of Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Malta etc. Just what they need post Covid, more European citizens suffering due to EU commissioners pride and obstinacy trying to protect their dream of a federal Europe with themselves first in line at the trough.

I think it benefits the UK as nobody can travel to those countries anyway at the moment. So saving money all round for the UK. It is a two way street though.

 

We will see how long that lasts wont we.

 

The EU and like many posters on here just don't seem to know or have forgotten that the UK are resilient people and have long memories.

 

 

[sirineou]

34 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I am happy for the rest of the EU who seems to love each other. Great for you. You better start digging in your pockets, as there is a huge whole left that you have to fill with the UK leaving in its entirety.

Can we help it if we are so lovable? Who needs money when you can have love. you can have your money, you know that the pursue of money was the ruin of many good man. 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, kingdong said:

You surprise me,what happened ?

I saw the writing on the wall, went to university and gained my PE license.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I think it benefits the UK as nobody can travel to those countries anyway at the moment. So saving money all round for the UK. It is a two way street though.

 

We will see how long that lasts wont we.

 

The EU and like many posters on here just don't seem to know or have forgotten that the UK are resilient people and have long memories.

 

 

I’m not sure about the ‘long memories’ bit, they seem to have forgotten being the ‘poor man of Europe’ and going cap in hand to the IMF.

 

But, chin up, ‘the pound in your pocket’.

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Can we help it if we are so lovable? Who needs money when you can have love. you can have your money, you know that the pursue of money was the ruin of many good man. 

Well if you think it is love that is holding the EU together then I pity you. Yes the Italians, Greeks, Poles and Hungarians love the EU????.

 

Lets see how much love there will be in a few months/years.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I think it benefits the UK as nobody can travel to those countries anyway at the moment. So saving money all round for the UK. It is a two way street though.

 

We will see how long that lasts wont we.

 

The EU and like many posters on here just don't seem to know or have forgotten that the UK are resilient people and have long memories.

 

 

Exactly. Expect UK domestic tourism to skyrocket. People are already planning for local holidays for the foreseeable future which is why the UK property market is booming. People spending all the money that used to go to Spanish hotels and tapas bars on new houses, extensions etc.

 

Example, my sister just co-bought a place down in Beer in anticipation of domestic holidays. Given there's 3 families that holiday together and they like to spend, that's tens of thousands of pounds that used to be spent in Greece and Spain staying in the UK.

 

I'd be keeping those flights open if I was the EU.

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure about the ‘long memories’ bit, they seem to have forgotten being the ‘poor man of Europe’ and going cap in hand to the IMF.

 

But, chin up, ‘the pound in your pocket’.

Trust me we have. Why do you think we voted leave. Long memories. As for the poor man of Europe, you are kidding yourself.

 

My chin has never been down, we are not been shafted by the EU and never joined the Euro.

[Hi from France]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Messing with the airlines is a great way to ruin the tourist industries of Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Malta etc. Just what they need post Covid, more European citizens suffering due to EU commissioners pride and obstinacy trying to protect their dream of a federal Europe with themselves first in line at the trough.

do not worry about the airlines routes, they are here to stay: it just will not be a British airline anymore

 

I checked their website : currently, 47% of easyJet's shares are held by EU nationals (excluding UK nationals) they have 6 months to sell the remaining 3%. Apparently they are now headquartered in Vienna.

 

 

Apparently British Airways is Spanish already ?

[thaibeachlovers]

IMO EU was always going to <deleted> the UK around. Boris should have just walked away soon as he became PM.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Trust me we have. Why do you think we voted leave. Long memories. As for the poor man of Europe, you are kidding yourself.

 

My chin has never been down, we are not been shafted by the EU and never joined the Euro.

There are various reasons people voted leave, largely promises the Brexit campaign made.

 

It’s the failure to deliver on those promises that will define Brexit.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO EU was always going to <deleted> the UK around. Boris should have just walked away soon as he became PM.

I agree but he had to show that he has tried every avenue and he has and still is. If he renegades on his stance he is toast at the next election.

 

I am sure that he will be supported when it comes out all the things that the EU had done to stifle and prevent a deal.  The EU are turning an already nation of barley tolerant to the EU into one that will be more hostile in my opinion.

 

I still feel there will be a deal but my hopes are getting up that he walks and tells them they can stick their 18% catch of fish in UK waters and the divorce bill of course. 

 

UK shoppers can reject EU products and get on with life. Can't wait to see the French protests. No doubt the tractors  and fishing boats will be out in force.

[Laughing Gravy]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are various reasons people voted leave, largely promises the Brexit campaign made.

 

It’s the failure to deliver on those promises that will define Brexit.

You mentioned long memories, I can tell you I and many others never forgot the betrayal from Heath, Blair and  Major.

 

The true campaign was to leave the CU, SM and ECJ. We will with a no deal. Job done. 

[Rookiescot]

34 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Messing with the airlines is a great way to ruin the tourist industries of Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Malta etc. Just what they need post Covid, more European citizens suffering due to EU commissioners pride and obstinacy trying to protect their dream of a federal Europe with themselves first in line at the trough.

 

Still, at least they can vote them out at the next elections. Oh ????... wait a minute. ????

 

Its only the UK tourists who will have a problem.

EU tourists will be able to go to those destinations.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

do not worry about the airlines routes, they are here to stay: it just will not be a British airline anymore

 

I checked their website : currently, 47% of easyJet's shares are held by EU nationals (excluding UK nationals) they have 6 months to sell the remaining 3%. Apparently they are now headquartered in Vienna.

 

 

Apparently British Airways is Spanish already ?

If you think the EU can ban British Airlines from these routes and expect large numbers of Brits to continue to fly to Europe to holiday on European airlines you are very much mistaken. Irrespective of the airline, many Brits are planning to holiday domestically for the next few years anyway, due to Brexit and COVID.

 

I would have thought just reading this forum would have given you an idea of the feeling of many Brits towards the EU now. Personally I've cancelled my plan to buy a certain European superbike and am looking at the new Japanese and Thai made models at the BKK motor show tomorrow. Friends I talk to at home are postponing their next car purchase and looking at Japanese/Korean models instead of European. I think you have seriously misjudged the mood. Laughing Gravy is right, we don't appreciate the EU's lack of integrity during the process and we have long memories.